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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 18:52:55
July 05 2014 18:52 GMT
#11381
That feeling when you decide to play Ashe for the first time in a while, and your Nasus goes 0-10 against Rengar and refuses to group. Then your team blames your shitty arrows (I had a few good ones) even tho like 90% of the game we're winning with pickoffs. It's like, not my fault the Nasus let us all die on baron when he's like a screen away farming his q (which is so damn important 40 minutes into the game).

Not my A game, but good enough if we had anything resembling a fifth person.
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 21:34:41
July 05 2014 21:06 GMT
#11382
On July 04 2014 07:34 Sakray wrote:
I stopped ranked 2 weeks ago coz I've been tired of losing after constantly destroying botlane. I start losing LP so I play 1 ranked.

Mid Fizz got buttfucked by Mid Zed and Jungle Lee (like he had 44 cs to Zed's 100 at 11min).
Bot Morgana/Cait kept giving Enemy Vayne double kills. If Jungle Skarner tries to help, it's triple kill for Vayne.

And meanwhile in toplane, I smashed a Vlad with my Ryze. Buut since I was roaming alot to help team and get free kils, and he was afk brain farm yolomode in toplane, he got my 2 turrets.

I'm so tired of this right now.

Which champs are basically free elo if you're skilled enough ?


Tristana. IE-Yomumu rush build. Double dorans gives enough lifesteal and survivability. Get these by 24th minute and you are gooolden.. Max E before 6, then all into Q. Q will max @ lvl10. You can basically start assassinating people once your Q is at least lvl3 and you have an IE early enough. W reset allows you to go in and come out safe. Seriously broken champ when played correctly in soloq IMO.
Works on Caitlyn but only if constantly grouping/sieging.
I played pre-nerf khazix into diamond so I know how to play dunks with squishy assassins.

After IE Ghostblade get phantom dancer then LW if they have tank, if not just get another IE. As tris with AS runes with both AS actives and PD on its basically max attack speed.

If Lucian go Botrk-Yomumus and basically do the same thing during mid game, but he cannot hard carry late game if team isnt doing great..

Wouldnt say no to absolute god Elise plays tho..and go hardcore AP involving DFG. Need to do really good dives and good map/objective controls. Bonus points for human form EQW fade away kills. Also when playing as jungler calm the fck down and give good orders to team. Carrying as jungle is a bit like playing zerg. You want FULL map control ASAP while killing left right and center, so you want to make sure kills can translate into tower damage/take downs/dragon etc, then just ward up their jungle with support and choke opponent down. Doesnt work if all three lanes are feeding before you can finish your first buffs -_-.
CDR utility tank elise still great but needs good teammates..works especially well with thresh/morgana mid game.
Stop procrastinating
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 06 2014 07:43 GMT
#11383
Well, there is now only 1 win on my match history, which is an aram.

Fuck this game.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
July 06 2014 22:39 GMT
#11384
On July 06 2014 06:06 padfoota wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 07:34 Sakray wrote:
I stopped ranked 2 weeks ago coz I've been tired of losing after constantly destroying botlane. I start losing LP so I play 1 ranked.

Mid Fizz got buttfucked by Mid Zed and Jungle Lee (like he had 44 cs to Zed's 100 at 11min).
Bot Morgana/Cait kept giving Enemy Vayne double kills. If Jungle Skarner tries to help, it's triple kill for Vayne.

And meanwhile in toplane, I smashed a Vlad with my Ryze. Buut since I was roaming alot to help team and get free kils, and he was afk brain farm yolomode in toplane, he got my 2 turrets.

I'm so tired of this right now.

Which champs are basically free elo if you're skilled enough ?


Tristana. IE-Yomumu rush build. Double dorans gives enough lifesteal and survivability. Get these by 24th minute and you are gooolden.. Max E before 6, then all into Q. Q will max @ lvl10. You can basically start assassinating people once your Q is at least lvl3 and you have an IE early enough. W reset allows you to go in and come out safe. Seriously broken champ when played correctly in soloq IMO.
Works on Caitlyn but only if constantly grouping/sieging.
I played pre-nerf khazix into diamond so I know how to play dunks with squishy assassins.

After IE Ghostblade get phantom dancer then LW if they have tank, if not just get another IE. As tris with AS runes with both AS actives and PD on its basically max attack speed.

If Lucian go Botrk-Yomumus and basically do the same thing during mid game, but he cannot hard carry late game if team isnt doing great..

Wouldnt say no to absolute god Elise plays tho..and go hardcore AP involving DFG. Need to do really good dives and good map/objective controls. Bonus points for human form EQW fade away kills. Also when playing as jungler calm the fck down and give good orders to team. Carrying as jungle is a bit like playing zerg. You want FULL map control ASAP while killing left right and center, so you want to make sure kills can translate into tower damage/take downs/dragon etc, then just ward up their jungle with support and choke opponent down. Doesnt work if all three lanes are feeding before you can finish your first buffs -_-.
CDR utility tank elise still great but needs good teammates..works especially well with thresh/morgana mid game.


Isn't Kog the same than Trist in terms or hardcarrying ?
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-07 03:17:26
July 07 2014 03:15 GMT
#11385
Put down tons of wards as a jungler to help people see roams coming. Mid laner doesn't react as 2 people walk through 3 wards to get to him, has two warning pings on his location (like 5-10 seconds beforehand), even moves forward before realizing oh hey there's a Nasus and Lee on my screen. You're Xerath, why do you need to be nearly on top of the enemy's turret? It's not like the enemy laner was even low.

This was arguably my best lane too. Sigh.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 07 2014 07:49 GMT
#11386
Other team has a Blitzcrank. "Watch out for invade." Lulu facechecks a bush and gives first blood. They're all at our blue buff so me and Elise go to their blue buff. Their Renekton and Talon show up to fight for it, and Lulu just sits mid farming for like THIRTY SECONDS while we're fighting. It takes so long for her to show up that she barely gets there before their jungler, AFTER HE TAKES OUR BLUE. WHAT.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
July 07 2014 19:27 GMT
#11387
Get back into the series I've been in a dozen times, for 1-1 int he first 2 games. While queueing up for 3rd the client freezes and I can't see champ select so I close league(which is a dodge.) Get back on and wait out timer, get Riven, and go full brood war while I treat their team like worker lines with chants of RIVU RIVU RIVU! End up winning 22-4-12 and.... apparently the dodge knocked me out of my series. FML.

I thought they changed that?
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 07 2014 23:24 GMT
#11388
So biggest game of throws thanks to me missing a smite at baron and aatrox dcing. At 50 minutes after the 20th throw in a row it was our team's turn to throw, only me and graves alive but nexus turrets were up for us so we could reasonably stall.

So graves goes off to farm wraiths at 50 minutes instead of heading straight back to base and gets killed and we promptly lose. Fun fact for this match: the name of the syndra's name is "zhey will greed". That syndra is officially a prophet and I will worship her forever.
Glorious SEA doto
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 08:50:07
July 08 2014 08:49 GMT
#11389
On July 07 2014 07:39 Sakray wrote:
Isn't Kog the same than Trist in terms or hardcarrying ?

kog does more dps midgame at the cost of not having his own escape (rocket jump) or peel (buster shot) or earlygame burst (e+w allin in laning phase)
posting on liquid sites in current year
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
July 08 2014 16:18 GMT
#11390
Morg cait is fucking literal cancer holy shit that lane is so fucking braindead to play, I bet a bronze duo could beat a plat one.
@miicah88
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 19:28:23
July 08 2014 19:03 GMT
#11391
On July 08 2014 17:49 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2014 07:39 Sakray wrote:
Isn't Kog the same than Trist in terms or hardcarrying ?

kog does more dps midgame at the cost of not having his own escape (rocket jump) or peel (buster shot) or earlygame burst (e+w allin in laning phase)


Yup...Kog does more straight up damage before you get IE too. I lost a straight up 100% fight as trist with double dorans + BF sword vs a kog who had dorans, zerk greaves and a fucking longsword.
Seriously considered asking the shopkeep if the sword he sold me was plastic or some shit

On July 09 2014 01:18 miicah wrote:
Morg cait is fucking literal cancer holy shit that lane is so fucking braindead to play, I bet a bronze duo could beat a plat one.


Both Morg and Cait are braindead OP champ if they can harrass without opponent responding, whether bad comp or w/e.
But no, no way in fuck bronze duo can beat plat one
Morg can easily fuck up her shield and Q/cait walking too close to harrass and unless the plats are retarded they will punish mistakes like that.
Plus I doubt bronzies can CS as well

I like Trist Leona pick into Cait Morg. Trist E does a lot of unchecked magic damage early on in lane, forcing morg to either let it go or pop her shield...in which Leona captilizes heavy on the lack of black shield
Trist also outscales cait hard, and can hold her own in lane as long as her CS is up to scratch and she can dodge skillshots
interesting thing is that trist W works as long as the order was given already before morgs binding hits, and she can push away morg when morg pops ult.

People will pick cait into trist thinking cait shuts trist down in lane - not true. lvl2 E from trist really hurts, and people will pick morg into leona thinking its a decent counter.
Obviously misplays will cost trist hard since shes squishy as fck and leona cannot properly respond onto cait if morg just pops shield on her anyways. Very interesting matchup

I consider Cait nami more annoying overall than Cait Morg tho...
Sivir Morg however............."OH ARE YOU TRYING TO HARRASS BACK THATS CUTE"

Can someone tell me how to build Lucian now and why? He doesnt seem to be anywhere close to have the old burst he used to have...
Botrk - Ghostblade turns him into an autoattack champ, something that doesnt define lucian at all
BT is nowhere even close to the old one, and IE rushes just feels better on...more autoattack trendy champs.
I personally hate TF mainly because while building TF you lose out on burst damage compared to a BF sword, would love to hear suggestions etc.
Stop procrastinating
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 23:44:32
July 08 2014 22:54 GMT
#11392
Ofc there's 2 afk when I start the game, afk for 8min, which means gg the game is lost.

Ofc I win 19pts for a win and lose 17 for a loss.

EDIT : next game was even funnier, we shat on botlane utterly hard (was 8-1 as Trist), only to lose because :
- they had Udyr = unkillable
- Ryze left freefarming = unkillable
- Yasuo = broken
- we had EVE A FUCKING D JUNGLE = useless as fuck
- we had Kassadin rush zhonya into lichbane into what seems to be rylai.

They made huge mistakes buy my team was too retarded to capitalise on them.
"Lucian farming alone top with 4 of us near baron ? Better let Eve go alone and get killed instead of 4v1 him".
No wards as well besides me.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT IF I GET DEMOTED AGAIN IM GOING TO FIND THESE MOTHERFUCKERS AND KILL THEM
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 09 2014 06:04 GMT
#11393
Yasuo is a fucking stupid champ.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
July 09 2014 07:24 GMT
#11394
I'm top Vlad, the enemy jungler invades and kills our jungler who goes "ok gl" and leaves the game. All report j4 kk, but a couple minutes later when the enemy team unopposed are pushing down our midlane and we're all chilling in base our support and midlane somehow agree what REALLY fucked us in the end was my Vlad pick.

Wat.

Oh, and on a related note, fuck the meta. I shouldn't have to defend myself every time I pick a champ not seen frequently in the LCS. I've played Gangplank top almost exclusively for two seasons and it's good enough for diamond, but every fucking time my team loses, no matter my stats or my plays it's obviously GPs fault, what a shitty pick, damn troll, report.

Fucking sheep.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
July 09 2014 13:51 GMT
#11395
On July 09 2014 04:03 padfoota wrote:
But no, no way in fuck bronze duo can beat plat one


Lolwhat. I regularly see bronze players winning lanes against diamond players. A week ago one of my friends and I were silver 5 and we crushed a plat I botlane. I even remember a game where a bronze zed destroyed his diamond opponent so hard that the guy just rage quit. The diamond was in my team and at the time I thought that having a diamond versus a bronze was a free win, it was quite amusing to see how hopeless the diamond player actually was in that game.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22415 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 14:46:34
July 09 2014 14:44 GMT
#11396
God this is so depressing. 1 bad weekend throws me down 2 divisions while having an afker on my team in over half the games and now ive had 3 promo games to get back up again and every single time my team is clueless.
Poppy going even in cs against Ryze while Trist is beating caitlynn in lane.
Fuck this shit, one bad day and you spend a month trying to recover...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
July 09 2014 14:55 GMT
#11397
On July 09 2014 23:44 Gorsameth wrote:
Fuck this shit, one bad day and you spend a month trying to recover...


This.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22415 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 15:27:26
July 09 2014 15:25 GMT
#11398
I love the LoL community... Our jungler never loads into the game (ofc hes a duo queue... they always are). Play serious for 10min. Still no show. Cba to waste time so I afk aswell so I can watch the Tour finish.
He comes back after 26min. Just in time to avoid getting a leave at the end of the game but the team blames me for not wanting to play out a 4v5...
People sure have their priorities right.

Next game.
Im first pick. Take Tristana. and we end up with a Kassadin top/Katarina mid, Fiddle jungle and Zilian Support.... Why the fuck do I get teams like this...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
VoidMaster
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia40 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 16:29:29
July 09 2014 16:29 GMT
#11399
It only takes 1 fucking idiot to snowball the game out of control. Holy crap people lose lanes easy, nonexistant map awareness, shit CS and of course flaming. Diamond is so horrible to be in...
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
July 09 2014 16:40 GMT
#11400
Its nice that I can achieve a 70% win rate in normals on my days off, but why must my team make me go even in lp when I play ranked? Im gaining 30~ LP for each win, only to lose three games afterwards every time. Frustrating as hell. Especially when others take my main lane and get destroyed. I just want to leave silver II already. On the plus side im losing mmr again and no longer face exclusively gold IV-I players. So i guess theres a positive...
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