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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3449 Posts
May 25 2025 15:48 GMT
#201
Nope, apparently Terran cant play any long macro against top Protoss these days outside of Clem (as Terran).
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 25 2025 15:48 GMT
#202
On May 26 2025 00:47 Antithesis wrote:
Does Maru play anything other than 2-base all-ins in TvP at all?

1-base all-ins!
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
May 25 2025 15:49 GMT
#203
On May 26 2025 00:47 Antithesis wrote:
Does Maru play anything other than 2-base all-ins in TvP at all?

Clem is pretty much the only Terran who likes building a 3rd CC vs Toss right now (Spirit might? I haven't seen any of his games recently.)
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 25 2025 15:50 GMT
#204
On May 26 2025 00:47 Antithesis wrote:
Does Maru play anything other than 2-base all-ins in TvP at all?


Yes he also does a one base proxy!

But 2 base is the best strategy and Maru has health issues so I'm not surprised.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33508 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-25 15:51:41
May 25 2025 15:50 GMT
#205
On May 26 2025 00:47 Antithesis wrote:
Does Maru play anything other than 2-base all-ins in TvP at all? Good to see that herO is adapting, though, unlike ShowTime yesterday.


At least for a lot of KR Terrans, they don't seem to believe macro is viable against top-tier players right now. But Maru just seems to 2-base everyone regardless.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 25 2025 15:51 GMT
#206
On May 26 2025 00:49 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2025 00:47 Antithesis wrote:
Does Maru play anything other than 2-base all-ins in TvP at all?

Clem is pretty much the only Terran who likes building a 3rd CC vs Toss right now (Spirit might? I haven't seen any of his games recently.)

Byun basically always plays straight up and it's hurting him against to Protoss players.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18173 Posts
May 25 2025 15:53 GMT
#207
On May 26 2025 00:47 Antithesis wrote:
Does Maru play anything other than 2-base all-ins in TvP at all? Good to see that herO is adapting, though, unlike ShowTime yesterday.

Yes, 1-base all-ins
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 25 2025 15:53 GMT
#208
herO had the right build order and scouted every step of the way and lost anyway, makes sense.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17724 Posts
May 25 2025 15:54 GMT
#209
That must've been the dumbest Maru vs herO match ever lol
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3449 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-25 15:55:28
May 25 2025 15:54 GMT
#210
On May 26 2025 00:53 Elentos wrote:
herO had the right build order and scouted every step of the way and lost anyway, makes sense.

Its about the control, Marauder was just better than Stalker too much, wonder if Adept is the better choice.

On May 26 2025 00:54 Die4Ever wrote:
That must've been the dumbest Maru vs herO match ever lol

Get used to it until the next balance patch
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
May 25 2025 15:54 GMT
#211
On May 26 2025 00:50 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2025 00:47 Antithesis wrote:
Does Maru play anything other than 2-base all-ins in TvP at all? Good to see that herO is adapting, though, unlike ShowTime yesterday.


At least for a lot of KR Terrans, they don't seem to believe macro is viable against top-tier players right now. But Maru just seems to 2-base everyone regardless.

why is that though? I don't think the last patch changed TvP too much? sure Ghosts take more supply but Disruptors are also a bit worse and energy overcharge at least in PvT is I think worse than battery overcharge
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3507 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-25 15:55:35
May 25 2025 15:55 GMT
#212
Starting to get frustrating watching this sort of thing for the last month X__X

Or the last 15 years if I'm being honest. LOL.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 25 2025 15:55 GMT
#213
On May 26 2025 00:54 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2025 00:53 Elentos wrote:
herO had the right build order and scouted every step of the way and lost anyway, makes sense.

Its about the control, Marauder was just better than Stalker too much, wonder if Adept is the better choice.

Adepts take 500 years to kill marauders.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3449 Posts
May 25 2025 15:56 GMT
#214
On May 26 2025 00:55 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2025 00:54 tigera6 wrote:
On May 26 2025 00:53 Elentos wrote:
herO had the right build order and scouted every step of the way and lost anyway, makes sense.

Its about the control, Marauder was just better than Stalker too much, wonder if Adept is the better choice.

Adepts take 500 years to kill marauders.

Also taking Marauder forever to kill Adept with Shield Battery, buying time for more warp-in.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 25 2025 15:56 GMT
#215
Serral's chance of winning the tournament has gone up to 99% now I guess.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Blitzball04
Profile Joined June 2024
191 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-25 15:57:32
May 25 2025 15:56 GMT
#216
On May 26 2025 00:53 Elentos wrote:
herO had the right build order and scouted every step of the way and lost anyway, makes sense.


Nah just a weak response from hero. He build a nexus even though he scout it was a proxy build. Never understand why Toss don’t just build a void ray to counter this build. Instead they insist on weak stalkers to hold. Especially when shield battery isn’t what it use to be

It’s not like hero didn’t have time, he had lots of time for 2 voids days to pop.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3507 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-25 15:59:29
May 25 2025 15:57 GMT
#217
On May 26 2025 00:54 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2025 00:50 Waxangel wrote:
On May 26 2025 00:47 Antithesis wrote:
Does Maru play anything other than 2-base all-ins in TvP at all? Good to see that herO is adapting, though, unlike ShowTime yesterday.


At least for a lot of KR Terrans, they don't seem to believe macro is viable against top-tier players right now. But Maru just seems to 2-base everyone regardless.

why is that though? I don't think the last patch changed TvP too much? sure Ghosts take more supply but Disruptors are also a bit worse and energy overcharge at least in PvT is I think worse than battery overcharge

My conspiracy is that the players are getting old and bored and worse at the game for the first time in SC2 history so we're regressing back towards this. Both players played pretty mediocre thru all 5 games tbh. There's a lack of energy and patience to play a macro game (thru multiple boX series)...
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
May 25 2025 15:57 GMT
#218
On May 26 2025 00:56 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2025 00:55 Elentos wrote:
On May 26 2025 00:54 tigera6 wrote:
On May 26 2025 00:53 Elentos wrote:
herO had the right build order and scouted every step of the way and lost anyway, makes sense.

Its about the control, Marauder was just better than Stalker too much, wonder if Adept is the better choice.

Adepts take 500 years to kill marauders.

Also taking Marauder forever to kill Adept with Shield Battery, buying time for more warp-in.

they can just get kited and never get a hit of, no? Marauders have higher range
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 25 2025 15:58 GMT
#219
On May 26 2025 00:56 Elentos wrote:
Serral's chance of winning the tournament has gone up to 99% now I guess.


Yeah, although I was really impressed with a lot of Classic's play lately and he definitely had some funky builds so I think there's a chance for something interesting here.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
May 25 2025 15:59 GMT
#220
On May 26 2025 00:56 Elentos wrote:
Serral's chance of winning the tournament has gone up to 99% now I guess.

I'd give Solar/Shin about 20%
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