EPTOn July 10 2025 21:36 Asha wrote:
Thought this might be a close series but nope, Reynor just got rolled.
Thought this might be a close series but nope, Reynor just got rolled.
You just don't know which Reynor you're going to get at the moment.
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MJG
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You just don't know which Reynor you're going to get at the moment. | ||
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dysenterymd
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Counterpoint is that spending gas on roach ravager slows down ultralisks, but the way Shin played infestors against Clem in Dallas looks much more convincing. | ||
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tigera6
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MJG
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tigera6
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WombaT
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Agh
United States1075 Posts
On July 11 2025 21:35 WombaT wrote: Classic’s looking pretty dang scary last few PvT series of his that I’ve seen I had the games on in the background while working but went back to re-watch. Classic played solid, but Cure was just playing way too sloppy (games 3 and 4 especially).. going from near perfect positions to absolutely crumbling. It's pretty wild how good he looks in TvZ in contrast to TvP . I'm hoping we get a Classic v Clem runback otherwise I just imagine we'll get a re-run of what we just saw since it's unlikely Shin makes it through the meatgrinder. | ||
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tigera6
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Poopi
France13003 Posts
On July 11 2025 23:31 Agh wrote: I had the games on in the background while working but went back to re-watch. Classic played solid, but Cure was just playing way too sloppy (games 3 and 4 especially).. going from near perfect positions to absolutely crumbling. It's pretty wild how good he looks in TvZ in contrast to TvP . I'm hoping we get a Classic v Clem runback otherwise I just imagine we'll get a re-run of what we just saw since it's unlikely Shin makes it through the meatgrinder. Cure was a TvP specialist though, the matchup has Just become hellish nowadays it seems. | ||
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Agh
United States1075 Posts
On July 12 2025 02:07 Poopi wrote: Cure was a TvP specialist though, the matchup has Just become hellish nowadays it seems. I think two years ago you could say that about most Terrans to be fair. For now I'm still leaning it just being growing pains after it's now no longer obviously T favored. Past the first week in May Cure has practically lost every TvP series he's played in. My view of the current state: In most cases for normal game pace it's about a 10 supply nerf for T on first max. (It's batshit crazy that would have been 5 extra ghosts pre-patch). This also gets less impactful in resource banked games due to mules (which I still firmly believe have no place in the game). Energy recharge and slightly more resilient Colossus vs EMP were the only impactful changes for P in the matchup. Disruptors got effectively removed (good change overall), along with battery overcharge (was a band-aid solution of an ability to begin with, so good riddance.) My big gripe with the matchup is that it's more about who doesn't make a mistake rather than being "better." Outside of that it's just trying to leverage abusive strategies like Blink sniping stim / first HT push with low to no ghost, or Marine tank (+scv) timings / mass Liberator suffocation. | ||
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TeamMamba
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On July 12 2025 07:27 TeamMamba wrote: I’m curious to see Clem’s toss against cure for this tournament Gotta see if Shin hits him with another Dallas surprise first! | ||
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tigera6
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
It felt like Clem was uncharacteristically sloppy at times, but in the end that didn't matter. Surprised it took him until G5 to play storm when it seems to be so hyper effective right now. I wonder if sometimes he's so happy playing against splash that he forgets how effective it is vs everyone else who doesn't have his control | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1161 Posts
On July 12 2025 21:31 Asha wrote: Some solid games from Cure but should have stuck to the committed two base pushes. Clem was uncharacteristically sloppy at times, but in the end didn't matter. Surprised it took him until G5 to play storm when it seems to be so hyper effective right now. I wonder if sometimes he's so happy playing against splash that he forgets how effective it is vs everyone else who doesn't have his control the 2-base all-in from terran against protoss has gained a weird status from commentators and observers (most of whom don't even play the game) as being some kind of magical solution that is supposed to keep the match-up in balance - even though Byun, Cure and Clem time and time again refuse to play that way. these same commentators tout Cure as a "TvP specialist" in the same breath as they tell him how the matchup is supposed to be played! next time you ask, "why isn't Cure all-inning like that one time months ago when he did it against hero??" maybe stop to consider that maybe the world-class pro terran knows better than you do. Cure's builds and decisions speak for themself. it's evident from watching Cure's play that he is not confident to frequently 2-base all-in against protoss it might work for the shadow terran who doesn't broadcast his play all the time (Maru). it also might work on ladder. it won't work if you're in the pro circuit and revealing your play every week like Cure and Byun are doing. the only reason terran all-ins work against protoss is surprise don't take this personally - because it's not just a rebuttal against you, but a feeling that has grown in me after reading so many comments on forums or reddit or twitch chat that goes along the lines of "the professional gamer should have done this". no, you don't know better than Cure. he plays the way he does for a good reason. feeding the misconception that 2-base terran should be meta and that so many pro terrans are misunderstanding the matchup is just incredibly ignorant and seems like a sorry excuse for what the matchup is really like. what you see is what you get. TvP is brutal. it's all about terran getting hard-contained, out-expanded and dying by a thousand cuts, unless you can pull off a surgical strike attack that immediately ends the game. 2-base allin isn't a reliable way to win because it's easy to scout for and easy to crush if you know it's coming. the 2-base terran all-ins that were strong no matter if you saw them coming have long been patched out of the game | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1965 Posts
On July 11 2025 20:26 tigera6 wrote: back to more 2-base all-in, I guess, most Terran cant play like Clem and Maru in straight up macro TvP. yes, and zergs still getting rekt unless your name is Serral. More news @ 11. | ||
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Poopi
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tigera6
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On July 12 2025 23:13 Poopi wrote: Yeah it might be better for those terrans to try and learn PvP at this point That would only works against Clem, other Protoss will smash those Terrans in PvP. On July 12 2025 22:18 CicadaSC wrote: yes, and zergs still getting rekt unless your name is Serral. More news @ 11. We had 4 Zergs in top 8 at Dallas, and Rogue made GSL Final, they seems to be doing pretty well. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1965 Posts
On July 12 2025 23:19 tigera6 wrote: That would only works against Clem, other Protoss will smash those Terrans in PvP. We had 4 Zergs in top 8 at Dallas, and Rogue made GSL Final, they seems to be doing pretty well. Yes and Maru won that same Dallas and Clem is always farming. What is your point? Top 4 Zerg are just as much an exception as top 4 Terran. It's a good comparison just let it be. | ||
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Agh
United States1075 Posts
It might not be even that but I can't put my finger on it, he's literally full running from engagements where he can trade more than cost effectively and in some cases win them outright. (Not just in this series but several others as well) If you're mentally defeated enough where you aren't even counting units then maybe it's best to take a break and reset. GGs anyway, looking forward to the finals. | ||
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