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tigera6
3463 Posts
On May 10 2024 01:39 Ciaus237 wrote: Winning a world championship just requires a different skillset. Which is why you can't be Goat without success in this format. So that means Rogue is the GOAT? All hail the naked King. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1863 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On May 10 2024 01:39 Ciaus237 wrote: Winning a world championship just requires a different skillset. Which is why you can't be Goat without success in this format. Basically Serral doesn't surpass Rogue's achievements then till 2024 when he finally reaches the same counts of word championship titles during the two-years absence of Rogue , but still he didn't even participate Code S while Rogue has four. So Rogue should be GOAT based on your arguement, didn't it? | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1863 Posts
On May 09 2024 23:14 Vindicare605 wrote: It's like calling someone the GOAT of Tennis when they've never won on a particular kind of court. no... its like calling someone the goat of chess but they only play bullet games. a lot of people say nakamura is the best at that but does that make him the GOAT? hell no. Now the debate would be interesting if Nakamura had never played a classical game in his life. There would be serious questions if he had the potential to topple Carlsen, and that's where we're at. | ||
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Ciaus237
South Africa287 Posts
On May 10 2024 01:44 tigera6 wrote: So that means Rogue is the GOAT? All hail the naked King. Rogue's my favorite player, so I don't oppose that conclusion  I think it's Serral, and the comment was snark at Char's (IMO rather dumb) comment. But Rogue is the only player with such a high level of success in both WC weekender tournaments and GSL prep tournaments, so if we're arguing this way that's fair. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On May 10 2024 01:44 CicadaSC wrote: watching the vod back, i think every foreign fan was cheering for reynor, but you can tell his opponents prepared for him well. Gumiho mech'd both games vs reynor but vs soo he only went bio. that is changing your strat depending on opponent. That's what makes GSL such a mountain to climb for top foreigners. Reynor just played standard and reactive and that is more suited for a weekend style tournament. Yeah, but I just disagree those saying Reynor not in top form. Reynor undeniably has working hard, the same with Gumiho, Soo and HerO who work hard as him. But it seemed like he has not yet familiarized with preparation format or not expected that his opponents can read him like book. I think Scarlett is the only foreigner who has adapted the preparation format after trying Code S many times. At one time, she managed to break the top 8 and Soo then denied her chance. Neeb is the exception as he attempts to play Code S for one time only. | ||
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Comedy
469 Posts
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Mizenhauer
United States1913 Posts
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tigera6
3463 Posts
On May 10 2024 02:07 Comedy wrote: Serral and reynor are totally not alike as players. Serral has no real weaknesses and is comfortable in any type of late game whereas reynor has always kind of had a hard time with spellcaster control and late game. He's won because of speed and multitask, which wasn't enough today to win. Thats why nobody would have believed that Serral gone 0-4 and get eliminated in the Ro16 like Reynor did. Now, how many GSL title that Serral can win is still a question. Serral fan would probably claim he would win over half of the GSL he play, if not even more. Hard GSL fan would say Serral would be lucky to win a couple, and we would likely never find out. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On May 10 2024 02:30 tigera6 wrote: Thats why nobody would have believed that Serral gone 0-4 and get eliminated in the Ro16 like Reynor did. Now, how many GSL title that Serral can win is still a question. Serral fan would probably claim he would win over half of the GSL he play, if not even more. Hard GSL fan would say Serral would be lucky to win a couple, and we would likely never find out. Serral's good enough that he could very conceivably win a title, but he'll rest on his laurels long as his fans say hes the best ever despite not proving it. If his fans are insisting that he doesn't need to prove anything else then why would he. Hopefully it should be obvious by now that the GSL still has very sharp teeth even if it isn't at the peak of what it once was. And if it used to be even more competitive than it is now, that just goes to show how valuable those titles are. | ||
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jack_less
78 Posts
But it's also a difficult map pool for zerg. Respect to soO. | ||
Waxangel
United States33558 Posts
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16039 Posts
On May 10 2024 01:39 Ciaus237 wrote: Winning a world championship just requires a different skillset. Which is why you can't be Goat without success in this format. Maru at least got back to back Katowice final runs and won WESG. I consider that 'success'. Also there's no 'format' difference between world championships and regular weekenders except higher prize money and prestige so your argument doesn't make sense anyway | ||
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
On May 10 2024 02:59 Waxangel wrote: https://twitter.com/Reynor02/status/1788561396441198865 Is there anything left for Reynor to do in Korea besides traveling, dating, practicing with the Koreans, and playing in the online cups? | ||
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twndomn
401 Posts
Other than 0-4, the games just don’t look close, not even the long macro ones. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On May 10 2024 03:18 geokilla wrote: Is there anything left for Reynor to do in Korea besides traveling, dating, practicing with the Koreans, and playing in the online cups? Casting? Then he can practice with other Koreans for the upcoming Dallas. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary486 Posts
On May 10 2024 02:38 Vindicare605 wrote: Serral's good enough that he could very conceivably win a title, but he'll rest on his laurels long as his fans say hes the best ever despite not proving it. If his fans are insisting that he doesn't need to prove anything else then why would he. Hopefully it should be obvious by now that the GSL still has very sharp teeth even if it isn't at the peak of what it once was. And if it used to be even more competitive than it is now, that just goes to show how valuable those titles are. Its kinda naive to think Serral cares the slightest what others think about him and that influences his decision in any way. He stated long time ago, to compete in GSL he has to commit to move to and live in Korea, stay there, live there and the GSL price pool is just not appealing for such long commitment. Yes, the GSL has a very sharp teeth, but so does a World Championship. For me its beyond annoying when people state "but but its not a GSL its a weekender where enemies can't prepare for you". Yes, its a weekender, but theres quite a big window to prepare for it, and its just the tournament of the year, with one of the biggest or the biggest prize money after all. Everyone brings his best builds, and his A game (or at least most does). Also it is really foolish to think that people do not study and prepare for Serral. At least i'm certain that at least those who want to win or simply go far do. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
On May 10 2024 03:51 kajtarp wrote: Its kinda naive to think Serral cares the slightest what others think about him and that influences his decision in any way. He stated long time ago, to compete in GSL he has to commit to move to and live in Korea, stay there, live there and the GSL price pool is just not appealing for such long commitment. Yes, the GSL has a very sharp teeth, but so does a World Championship. For me its beyond annoying when people state "but but its not a GSL its a weekender where enemies can't prepare for you". Yes, its a weekender, but theres quite a big window to prepare for it, and its just the tournament of the year, with one of the biggest or the biggest prize money after all. Everyone brings his best builds, and his A game (or at least most does). Also it is really foolish to think that people do not study and prepare for Serral. At least i'm certain that at least those who want to win or simply go far do. Oh yea, I'm the naive one for thinking that a guy that gets showered in praise for being the best wouldn't completely change his attitude about whether or not it's "worth it" to commit to Korea for a tournament if he wasn't getting such adoration. Sure thing. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16039 Posts
On May 10 2024 03:51 kajtarp wrote: Yes, the GSL has a very sharp teeth, but so does a World Championship. For me its beyond annoying when people state "but but its not a GSL its a weekender where enemies can't prepare for you". Yes, its a weekender, but theres quite a big window to prepare for it, and its just the tournament of the year, with one of the biggest or the biggest prize money after all. Everyone brings his best builds, and his A game (or at least most does). Also it is really foolish to think that people do not study and prepare for Serral. At least i'm certain that at least those who want to win or simply go far do. Nobody says GSL is worth more than a world championship but it clearly requires a different skillset. So having success in both formats means you have a more 'complete' skillset which adds significantly to your greatness/legacy. In your last sentence you can swap Serral with Reynor and it would still be true, so it's not as easy as "if players prepare for you it's the same as playing in the GSL where you have weeks to prepare every specific map" | ||
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