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On May 10 2024 03:59 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2024 03:51 kajtarp wrote:On May 10 2024 02:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:30 tigera6 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:07 Comedy wrote:
Serral and reynor are totally not alike as players. Serral has no real weaknesses and is comfortable in any type of late game whereas reynor has always kind of had a hard time with spellcaster control and late game. He's won because of speed and multitask, which wasn't enough today to win. Thats why nobody would have believed that Serral gone 0-4 and get eliminated in the Ro16 like Reynor did. Now, how many GSL title that Serral can win is still a question. Serral fan would probably claim he would win over half of the GSL he play, if not even more. Hard GSL fan would say Serral would be lucky to win a couple, and we would likely never find out. Serral's good enough that he could very conceivably win a title, but he'll rest on his laurels long as his fans say hes the best ever despite not proving it. If his fans are insisting that he doesn't need to prove anything else then why would he. Hopefully it should be obvious by now that the GSL still has very sharp teeth even if it isn't at the peak of what it once was. And if it used to be even more competitive than it is now, that just goes to show how valuable those titles are. Yes, the GSL has a very sharp teeth, but so does a World Championship. For me its beyond annoying when people state "but but its not a GSL its a weekender where enemies can't prepare for you". Yes, its a weekender, but theres quite a big window to prepare for it, and its just the tournament of the year, with one of the biggest or the biggest prize money after all. Everyone brings his best builds, and his A game (or at least most does). Also it is really foolish to think that people do not study and prepare for Serral. At least i'm certain that at least those who want to win or simply go far do. Nobody says GSL is worth more than a world championship but it clearly requires a different skillset. So having success in both formats means you have a more 'complete' skillset which adds significantly to your greatness/legacy. In your last sentence you can swap Serral with Reynor and it would still be true, so it's not as easy as "if players prepare for you it's the same as playing in the GSL where you have weeks to prepare every specific map"
You probably just mean modern GSL but i think many including myself think Kespa era GSLs were harder and worth more than than a world championship.
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On May 10 2024 04:20 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2024 03:59 Charoisaur wrote:On May 10 2024 03:51 kajtarp wrote:On May 10 2024 02:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:30 tigera6 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:07 Comedy wrote:
Serral and reynor are totally not alike as players. Serral has no real weaknesses and is comfortable in any type of late game whereas reynor has always kind of had a hard time with spellcaster control and late game. He's won because of speed and multitask, which wasn't enough today to win. Thats why nobody would have believed that Serral gone 0-4 and get eliminated in the Ro16 like Reynor did. Now, how many GSL title that Serral can win is still a question. Serral fan would probably claim he would win over half of the GSL he play, if not even more. Hard GSL fan would say Serral would be lucky to win a couple, and we would likely never find out. Serral's good enough that he could very conceivably win a title, but he'll rest on his laurels long as his fans say hes the best ever despite not proving it. If his fans are insisting that he doesn't need to prove anything else then why would he. Hopefully it should be obvious by now that the GSL still has very sharp teeth even if it isn't at the peak of what it once was. And if it used to be even more competitive than it is now, that just goes to show how valuable those titles are. Yes, the GSL has a very sharp teeth, but so does a World Championship. For me its beyond annoying when people state "but but its not a GSL its a weekender where enemies can't prepare for you". Yes, its a weekender, but theres quite a big window to prepare for it, and its just the tournament of the year, with one of the biggest or the biggest prize money after all. Everyone brings his best builds, and his A game (or at least most does). Also it is really foolish to think that people do not study and prepare for Serral. At least i'm certain that at least those who want to win or simply go far do. Nobody says GSL is worth more than a world championship but it clearly requires a different skillset. So having success in both formats means you have a more 'complete' skillset which adds significantly to your greatness/legacy. In your last sentence you can swap Serral with Reynor and it would still be true, so it's not as easy as "if players prepare for you it's the same as playing in the GSL where you have weeks to prepare every specific map" You probably just mean modern GSL but i think many including myself think Kespa era GSLs were harder and worth more than than a world championship.
Counterpoint: Byun won 2016 GSL and the 2016 World Championship. Which one do people always bring up and is he remembered for? Do you really think the GSL is more important for his legacy?
As an aside, I think the biggest thing this shows is just that Maru's repeated GSL wins even after the prize pool collapse are still momentous achievements. Sure, less than the GSLs before. But people are still giving it their all and it's rare to find a more difficult tournament.
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On May 10 2024 04:23 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2024 04:20 JJH777 wrote:On May 10 2024 03:59 Charoisaur wrote:On May 10 2024 03:51 kajtarp wrote:On May 10 2024 02:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:30 tigera6 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:07 Comedy wrote:
Serral and reynor are totally not alike as players. Serral has no real weaknesses and is comfortable in any type of late game whereas reynor has always kind of had a hard time with spellcaster control and late game. He's won because of speed and multitask, which wasn't enough today to win. Thats why nobody would have believed that Serral gone 0-4 and get eliminated in the Ro16 like Reynor did. Now, how many GSL title that Serral can win is still a question. Serral fan would probably claim he would win over half of the GSL he play, if not even more. Hard GSL fan would say Serral would be lucky to win a couple, and we would likely never find out. Serral's good enough that he could very conceivably win a title, but he'll rest on his laurels long as his fans say hes the best ever despite not proving it. If his fans are insisting that he doesn't need to prove anything else then why would he. Hopefully it should be obvious by now that the GSL still has very sharp teeth even if it isn't at the peak of what it once was. And if it used to be even more competitive than it is now, that just goes to show how valuable those titles are. Yes, the GSL has a very sharp teeth, but so does a World Championship. For me its beyond annoying when people state "but but its not a GSL its a weekender where enemies can't prepare for you". Yes, its a weekender, but theres quite a big window to prepare for it, and its just the tournament of the year, with one of the biggest or the biggest prize money after all. Everyone brings his best builds, and his A game (or at least most does). Also it is really foolish to think that people do not study and prepare for Serral. At least i'm certain that at least those who want to win or simply go far do. Nobody says GSL is worth more than a world championship but it clearly requires a different skillset. So having success in both formats means you have a more 'complete' skillset which adds significantly to your greatness/legacy. In your last sentence you can swap Serral with Reynor and it would still be true, so it's not as easy as "if players prepare for you it's the same as playing in the GSL where you have weeks to prepare every specific map" You probably just mean modern GSL but i think many including myself think Kespa era GSLs were harder and worth more than than a world championship. Counterpoint: Byun won 2016 GSL and the 2016 World Championship. Which one do people always bring up and is he remembered for? Do you really think the GSL is more important for his legacy? As an aside, I think the biggest thing this shows is just that Maru's repeated GSL wins even after the prize pool collapse are still momentous achievements. Sure, less than the GSLs before. But people are still giving it their all and it's rare to find a more difficult tournament.
That's fair, though I think it's the cumulative result of him winning 3 events around that time and establishing that he was the clear best player of that meta. If he had won the world championship without the GSL I think it would be remembered as a fluke result in his career.
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On May 10 2024 02:59 Waxangel wrote:
I hope he stays, his cast was very fun and I like to see more of him competing against the likes of Gumi/DRG etc, people who are regulars of GSL yet do not reach the semis and thus not allowed to compete in cross regional tournaments.
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On May 10 2024 04:45 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2024 04:23 Pandain wrote:On May 10 2024 04:20 JJH777 wrote:On May 10 2024 03:59 Charoisaur wrote:On May 10 2024 03:51 kajtarp wrote:On May 10 2024 02:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:30 tigera6 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:07 Comedy wrote:
Serral and reynor are totally not alike as players. Serral has no real weaknesses and is comfortable in any type of late game whereas reynor has always kind of had a hard time with spellcaster control and late game. He's won because of speed and multitask, which wasn't enough today to win. Thats why nobody would have believed that Serral gone 0-4 and get eliminated in the Ro16 like Reynor did. Now, how many GSL title that Serral can win is still a question. Serral fan would probably claim he would win over half of the GSL he play, if not even more. Hard GSL fan would say Serral would be lucky to win a couple, and we would likely never find out. Serral's good enough that he could very conceivably win a title, but he'll rest on his laurels long as his fans say hes the best ever despite not proving it. If his fans are insisting that he doesn't need to prove anything else then why would he. Hopefully it should be obvious by now that the GSL still has very sharp teeth even if it isn't at the peak of what it once was. And if it used to be even more competitive than it is now, that just goes to show how valuable those titles are. Yes, the GSL has a very sharp teeth, but so does a World Championship. For me its beyond annoying when people state "but but its not a GSL its a weekender where enemies can't prepare for you". Yes, its a weekender, but theres quite a big window to prepare for it, and its just the tournament of the year, with one of the biggest or the biggest prize money after all. Everyone brings his best builds, and his A game (or at least most does). Also it is really foolish to think that people do not study and prepare for Serral. At least i'm certain that at least those who want to win or simply go far do. Nobody says GSL is worth more than a world championship but it clearly requires a different skillset. So having success in both formats means you have a more 'complete' skillset which adds significantly to your greatness/legacy. In your last sentence you can swap Serral with Reynor and it would still be true, so it's not as easy as "if players prepare for you it's the same as playing in the GSL where you have weeks to prepare every specific map" You probably just mean modern GSL but i think many including myself think Kespa era GSLs were harder and worth more than than a world championship. Counterpoint: Byun won 2016 GSL and the 2016 World Championship. Which one do people always bring up and is he remembered for? Do you really think the GSL is more important for his legacy? As an aside, I think the biggest thing this shows is just that Maru's repeated GSL wins even after the prize pool collapse are still momentous achievements. Sure, less than the GSLs before. But people are still giving it their all and it's rare to find a more difficult tournament. That's fair, though I think it's the cumulative result of him winning 3 events around that time and establishing that he was the clear best player of that meta. If he had won the world championship without the GSL I think it would be remembered as a fluke result in his career.
Yeah compare how we view ByuN to how we view Oliveira, no offense to him.
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Northern Ireland26255 Posts
Man why does all this tangential negativity have to creep into a fine day’s GSL play?
Sad for Reynor but as I and others have noted, he’s not really been in form for a good while. He said he was trying a different approach after Kato but whatever he’s trying currently isn’t quite working either. Hope he cracks the code as it benefits the overall game to have such a talent firing on all cylinders.
I gotta say with Serral off the table au present herO’s PvZ is looking really damn formidable, it may almost be time to consider the PvZ equation somewhat flipped at the real tip top of the game.
Nice to see soO showing some shape, mechanically anyway he looks to be in a much better spot although I fear his addiction to roaches may prove his undoing at some point!
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France12909 Posts
On May 10 2024 04:23 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2024 04:20 JJH777 wrote:On May 10 2024 03:59 Charoisaur wrote:On May 10 2024 03:51 kajtarp wrote:On May 10 2024 02:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:30 tigera6 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:07 Comedy wrote:
Serral and reynor are totally not alike as players. Serral has no real weaknesses and is comfortable in any type of late game whereas reynor has always kind of had a hard time with spellcaster control and late game. He's won because of speed and multitask, which wasn't enough today to win. Thats why nobody would have believed that Serral gone 0-4 and get eliminated in the Ro16 like Reynor did. Now, how many GSL title that Serral can win is still a question. Serral fan would probably claim he would win over half of the GSL he play, if not even more. Hard GSL fan would say Serral would be lucky to win a couple, and we would likely never find out. Serral's good enough that he could very conceivably win a title, but he'll rest on his laurels long as his fans say hes the best ever despite not proving it. If his fans are insisting that he doesn't need to prove anything else then why would he. Hopefully it should be obvious by now that the GSL still has very sharp teeth even if it isn't at the peak of what it once was. And if it used to be even more competitive than it is now, that just goes to show how valuable those titles are. Yes, the GSL has a very sharp teeth, but so does a World Championship. For me its beyond annoying when people state "but but its not a GSL its a weekender where enemies can't prepare for you". Yes, its a weekender, but theres quite a big window to prepare for it, and its just the tournament of the year, with one of the biggest or the biggest prize money after all. Everyone brings his best builds, and his A game (or at least most does). Also it is really foolish to think that people do not study and prepare for Serral. At least i'm certain that at least those who want to win or simply go far do. Nobody says GSL is worth more than a world championship but it clearly requires a different skillset. So having success in both formats means you have a more 'complete' skillset which adds significantly to your greatness/legacy. In your last sentence you can swap Serral with Reynor and it would still be true, so it's not as easy as "if players prepare for you it's the same as playing in the GSL where you have weeks to prepare every specific map" You probably just mean modern GSL but i think many including myself think Kespa era GSLs were harder and worth more than than a world championship. Counterpoint: Byun won 2016 GSL and the 2016 World Championship. Which one do people always bring up and is he remembered for? Do you really think the GSL is more important for his legacy? As an aside, I think the biggest thing this shows is just that Maru's repeated GSL wins even after the prize pool collapse are still momentous achievements. Sure, less than the GSLs before. But people are still giving it their all and it's rare to find a more difficult tournament.
It’s an incredible achievement, nobody can ever top that monstrous feat indeed.
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Canada8989 Posts
I do wonder if maybe Reynor is over the hump and not just in a slump. If you remove Gamer8 (arguably a gigantic ''if'') his results in the last 15 months haven't been terrific.
It's interesting because I think in the past players falling off the top (mostly Korean) have largely by chucked down by fans to players slaking in their practice and losing interest (sOs, Inno, Scarlett, Mvp...) or other players surpassing them (MC, MMA, etc...). I feel like it's the first time we have a champion who is so open about his process. Clearly, the guy is still putting in the work and the hours, but for one reason or another, it just isn't ''clicking'' like it used to.
Obviously, everything I said might be horseshit when he walk out of Ryad with a half-a-million check.
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On May 10 2024 06:14 Nakajin wrote:I do wonder if maybe Reynor is over the hump and not just in a slump. If you remove Gamer8 (arguably a gigantic ''if'') his results in the last 15 months haven't been terrific. It's interesting because I think in the past players falling off the top (mostly Korean) have largely by chucked down by fans to players slaking in their practice and losing interest (sOs, Inno, Scarlett, Mvp...) or other players surpassing them (MC, MMA, etc...). I feel like it's the first time we have a champion who is so open about his process. Clearly, the guy is still putting in the work and the hours, but for one reason or another, it just isn't ''clicking'' like it used to. Obviously, everything I said might be horseshit when he walk out of Ryad with a half-a-million check.
Reynor still clearly has incredible mechanics, but I do think he's sometimes lacking in the strategic side of SC2 relative to other top players. There's a pretty large gap between the decision making/build planning of Reynor and Serral/Dark, even if his pure mechanics may be comparable. In both of Reynor's games against herO he had poor reads, and his decision making against mech was consistently iffy. Don't get me started on all the times Reynor has headbutt into turtle Terran (though to be fair, all Z do that sometimes.)
I think in more stable metas Reynor thrives, and between the patch and weird maps I'm not surprised to see him doing badly.
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On May 10 2024 03:56 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2024 03:51 kajtarp wrote:On May 10 2024 02:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:30 tigera6 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:07 Comedy wrote:
Serral and reynor are totally not alike as players. Serral has no real weaknesses and is comfortable in any type of late game whereas reynor has always kind of had a hard time with spellcaster control and late game. He's won because of speed and multitask, which wasn't enough today to win. Thats why nobody would have believed that Serral gone 0-4 and get eliminated in the Ro16 like Reynor did. Now, how many GSL title that Serral can win is still a question. Serral fan would probably claim he would win over half of the GSL he play, if not even more. Hard GSL fan would say Serral would be lucky to win a couple, and we would likely never find out. Serral's good enough that he could very conceivably win a title, but he'll rest on his laurels long as his fans say hes the best ever despite not proving it. If his fans are insisting that he doesn't need to prove anything else then why would he. Hopefully it should be obvious by now that the GSL still has very sharp teeth even if it isn't at the peak of what it once was. And if it used to be even more competitive than it is now, that just goes to show how valuable those titles are. Its kinda naive to think Serral cares the slightest what others think about him and that influences his decision in any way. He stated long time ago, to compete in GSL he has to commit to move to and live in Korea, stay there, live there and the GSL price pool is just not appealing for such long commitment. Yes, the GSL has a very sharp teeth, but so does a World Championship. For me its beyond annoying when people state "but but its not a GSL its a weekender where enemies can't prepare for you". Yes, its a weekender, but theres quite a big window to prepare for it, and its just the tournament of the year, with one of the biggest or the biggest prize money after all. Everyone brings his best builds, and his A game (or at least most does). Also it is really foolish to think that people do not study and prepare for Serral. At least i'm certain that at least those who want to win or simply go far do. Oh yea, I'm the naive one for thinking that a guy that gets showered in praise for being the best wouldn't completely change his attitude about whether or not it's "worth it" to commit to Korea for a tournament if he wasn't getting such adoration. Sure thing.
It's kind of remarkable how consistently awful your takes are concerning Serral. Weren't you the one foaming at the mouth about Serral's group at IEM this year? As if he chose it himself or it would have made a shred of difference with how dominant his run was this year. Sure thing.
If you know anything at all about Serral (...), he's been steadfast in his lack of interest in playing GSL since basically the moment he rose to prominence. He doesn't want to be away from his home/family for that long, it doesn't fit his lifestyle, and it doesn't make sense for him financially. Can't really argue with the results. Pretty sure he doesn't care what plebs like you or I think about him.
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On May 10 2024 05:38 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2024 04:45 JJH777 wrote:On May 10 2024 04:23 Pandain wrote:On May 10 2024 04:20 JJH777 wrote:On May 10 2024 03:59 Charoisaur wrote:On May 10 2024 03:51 kajtarp wrote:On May 10 2024 02:38 Vindicare605 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:30 tigera6 wrote:On May 10 2024 02:07 Comedy wrote:
Serral and reynor are totally not alike as players. Serral has no real weaknesses and is comfortable in any type of late game whereas reynor has always kind of had a hard time with spellcaster control and late game. He's won because of speed and multitask, which wasn't enough today to win. Thats why nobody would have believed that Serral gone 0-4 and get eliminated in the Ro16 like Reynor did. Now, how many GSL title that Serral can win is still a question. Serral fan would probably claim he would win over half of the GSL he play, if not even more. Hard GSL fan would say Serral would be lucky to win a couple, and we would likely never find out. Serral's good enough that he could very conceivably win a title, but he'll rest on his laurels long as his fans say hes the best ever despite not proving it. If his fans are insisting that he doesn't need to prove anything else then why would he. Hopefully it should be obvious by now that the GSL still has very sharp teeth even if it isn't at the peak of what it once was. And if it used to be even more competitive than it is now, that just goes to show how valuable those titles are. Yes, the GSL has a very sharp teeth, but so does a World Championship. For me its beyond annoying when people state "but but its not a GSL its a weekender where enemies can't prepare for you". Yes, its a weekender, but theres quite a big window to prepare for it, and its just the tournament of the year, with one of the biggest or the biggest prize money after all. Everyone brings his best builds, and his A game (or at least most does). Also it is really foolish to think that people do not study and prepare for Serral. At least i'm certain that at least those who want to win or simply go far do. Nobody says GSL is worth more than a world championship but it clearly requires a different skillset. So having success in both formats means you have a more 'complete' skillset which adds significantly to your greatness/legacy. In your last sentence you can swap Serral with Reynor and it would still be true, so it's not as easy as "if players prepare for you it's the same as playing in the GSL where you have weeks to prepare every specific map" You probably just mean modern GSL but i think many including myself think Kespa era GSLs were harder and worth more than than a world championship. Counterpoint: Byun won 2016 GSL and the 2016 World Championship. Which one do people always bring up and is he remembered for? Do you really think the GSL is more important for his legacy? As an aside, I think the biggest thing this shows is just that Maru's repeated GSL wins even after the prize pool collapse are still momentous achievements. Sure, less than the GSLs before. But people are still giving it their all and it's rare to find a more difficult tournament. That's fair, though I think it's the cumulative result of him winning 3 events around that time and establishing that he was the clear best player of that meta. If he had won the world championship without the GSL I think it would be remembered as a fluke result in his career. Yeah compare how we view ByuN to how we view Oliveira, no offense to him.
To be fair to Oliveira, China/Asia isn't a hard region to compete in and there's no weeklies in China. China also gets little exposure compared to Korea and EU in the ESL seasonal tournaments. The fact he is a world champion and had his miracle run makes his run that much more special to me. He took down the best players in 2023 to claim the title.
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United States33555 Posts
On May 10 2024 06:14 Nakajin wrote:I do wonder if maybe Reynor is over the hump and not just in a slump. If you remove Gamer8 (arguably a gigantic ''if'') his results in the last 15 months haven't been terrific. It's interesting because I think in the past players falling off the top (mostly Korean) have largely by chucked down by fans to players slaking in their practice and losing interest (sOs, Inno, Scarlett, Mvp...) or other players surpassing them (MC, MMA, etc...). I feel like it's the first time we have a champion who is so open about his process. Clearly, the guy is still putting in the work and the hours, but for one reason or another, it just isn't ''clicking'' like it used to. Obviously, everything I said might be horseshit when he walk out of Ryad with a half-a-million check.
Nah, he's fine. Post-WCS StarCraft is full of slump/championship cycles for top players, INCLUDING SERRAL (though recency bias makes people only think about his last 9 month run to the Katowice title). Reynor will be back on his feet eventually.
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reading these threads is kinda trash when it's always the usual suspects pushing their narrative of Maru > Serral even when 90% of the community doesn't feel that way.
reynor could go 0-50 in 10 gsl's and it still wouldn't mean anything in regards to serral, stop talking about him lul.
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On May 10 2024 15:03 Comedy wrote:
reading these threads is kinda trash when it's always the usual suspects pushing their narrative of Maru > Serral even when 90% of the community doesn't feel that way.
reynor could go 0-50 in 10 gsl's and it still wouldn't mean anything in regards to serral, stop talking about him lul.
I like made up percentages, they make very compelling arguments.
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On May 10 2024 15:03 Comedy wrote:
reading these threads is kinda trash when it's always the usual suspects pushing their narrative of Maru > Serral even when 90% of the community doesn't feel that way.
reynor could go 0-50 in 10 gsl's and it still wouldn't mean anything in regards to serral, stop talking about him lul.
Where is the proof of 90%? I can bluntly say less than 50% love the narrative of Serral > Maru or Serral > Rogue. Do I have the evidence? No, just like you.
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That's right it's a number I randomly made up that in my eyes represents the community at large; so not the TL.net posters (same 5 dudes that are super maru fan boys)
It could be a bit less, it could be a bit more, the number is arbitrary, fact of the matter is that the community, the people who watch streams, participate in discords, twitch chats, go to events, so on so forth; with absolutely certainty, the majority of people thinks serral is the goat (and rightfully so.)
here on tl.net it's just the same 10 people posting back and forth to each other about maru, even in a gsl thread about reynor the whole thing becomes the main point of discussion because of these people, it's quite toxic.
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On May 10 2024 18:36 Comedy wrote:
That's right it's a number I randomly made up that in my eyes represents the community at large; so not the TL.net posters (same 5 dudes that are super maru fan boys)
It could be a bit less, it could be a bit more, the number is arbitrary, fact of the matter is that the community, the people who watch streams, participate in discords, twitch chats, go to events, so on so forth; with absolutely certainty, the majority of people thinks serral is the goat (and rightfully so.)
here on tl.net it's just the same 10 people posting back and forth to each other about maru, even in a gsl thread about reynor the whole thing becomes the main point of discussion because of these people, it's quite toxic.
Yeah ofc the people in here are all completely biased and the guys in your discord or twitch chats who circlejerk about Serral are all 100% objective and unbiased. Sure buddy
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On May 10 2024 18:36 Comedy wrote:
fact of the matter is that the community, the people who watch streams, participate in discords, twitch chats, go to events, so on so forth; with absolutely certainty, the majority of people thinks serral is the goat (and rightfully so.) LOL, and the fact that you're probably serious whey you speak for imaginary majority - with absolute certainty, no less - is a bit sad, honestly.
Why do you care who considers whom to be the GOAT?
You have your opinion, let other people have their opinions. You probably heard about this concept?
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France12909 Posts
On May 10 2024 15:03 Comedy wrote:
reading these threads is kinda trash when it's always the usual suspects pushing their narrative of Maru > Serral even when 90% of the community doesn't feel that way.
reynor could go 0-50 in 10 gsl's and it still wouldn't mean anything in regards to serral, stop talking about him lul.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Angry_Men_(1957_film)
I will gladly keep « defending » Maru (as if he needs defense after his incredible career) even if I am the only one versus the whole community 
Edit: oh lmao I saw the post about « discord » communities. Ever heard of bubble? If people in your circle think Serral is the GOAT, does it make it true?
Like if you were to immerge yourself in a circle of flat earth believers / pushers of this narrative, would that mean that the earth is flat? Because 90%+ of your inner circle believes so?
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Man, it was heartbreaking seeing Reynor geting pulled apart buy Gumiho's mech. I mean, I expected him to go down to Hero in round 1, but that 0-2 vs Gumiho, damn. And then he proceeds to derp-out with bio against soO. Tough. Hope Reynor can bounce back.
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