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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12449 Posts
February 10 2024 22:05 GMT
#921
On February 11 2024 07:02 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 07:01 Nebuchad wrote:
Stormgate can't come soon enough

Protoss won't win anything in Stormgate either


I think because I'll only watch the game and not play I don't be race bound
No will to live, no wish to die
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1200 Posts
February 10 2024 22:06 GMT
#922
On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote:
look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races.

Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play.


Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that.

Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments.


Atrocious series by herO

"Protoss is weak"

MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind
Commentator
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4532 Posts
February 10 2024 22:06 GMT
#923
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote:
look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races.

Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play.


Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that.

Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments.


Atrocious series by herO

"Protoss is weak"

MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind

just play like MaxPax
hi. big fan.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12449 Posts
February 10 2024 22:06 GMT
#924
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote:
look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races.

Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play.


Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that.

Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments.


Atrocious series by herO

"Protoss is weak"

MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind


Who cares lol
No will to live, no wish to die
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8246 Posts
February 10 2024 22:07 GMT
#925
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote:
look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races.

Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play.


Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that.

Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments.


Atrocious series by herO

"Protoss is weak"

MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind

Unless MaxPax plays offline, his online results are meaningless.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 10 2024 22:07 GMT
#926
I think we need more work on the map to make intentionally protoss favored maps. It's possible won't ever get another balance patch.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
February 10 2024 22:08 GMT
#927
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote:
look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races.

Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play.


Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that.

Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments.


Atrocious series by herO

"Protoss is weak"

MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind


Wish we could prove that Take. I really do.

But as long as Maxpax doesn't play real tournaments how good he is or isn't is pretty irrelevant.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
February 10 2024 22:08 GMT
#928
On February 11 2024 07:07 Nakajin wrote:
I think we need more work on the map to make intentionally protoss favored maps. It's possible won't ever get another balance patch.


Bring back abyssal reef!
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4417 Posts
February 10 2024 22:09 GMT
#929
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote:
look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races.

Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play.


Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that.

Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments.


Atrocious series by herO

"Protoss is weak"

MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind


Yeah Maxpax's 36% winrate against Cure is totally the hope for PvT
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 10 2024 22:09 GMT
#930
Lol zg
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1200 Posts
February 10 2024 22:09 GMT
#931
On February 11 2024 07:07 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote:
On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote:
look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races.

Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play.


Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that.

Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments.


Atrocious series by herO

"Protoss is weak"

MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind

Unless MaxPax plays offline, his online results are meaningless.


Do you want to talk about online/offline performance or about game balance and Protoss performance and potential? We don't live in some mystery world online or simulation. MaxPax shows what Protoss is capable of and herO can play way better PvT than this.

Protoss does underperform but this isn't purely based on "protoss weak" and anyone interested in actually discussing this matter would understand.
Commentator
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
February 10 2024 22:10 GMT
#932
On February 11 2024 07:07 Nakajin wrote:
I think we need more work on the map to make intentionally protoss favored maps. It's possible won't ever get another balance patch.


It's honestly the best solution until more permanent solutions can be found. I still don't understand why we keep making Zerg favored maps when Zerg has been winning everything for the last 5 years.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
przemke
Profile Joined August 2012
Poland7 Posts
February 10 2024 22:10 GMT
#933
Where the hell is Smix?!

Why toss is kept weakest by devs consistently in patches?

What is the hour schedule for tomorrow? liqui does not say
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
February 10 2024 22:10 GMT
#934
The Reynor / Serral queen drawing competition was posted by ESL here. It's really funny if you haven't seen it.

dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
February 10 2024 22:11 GMT
#935
5 T, 3 Z, almost perfect balance between Starcraft's two races!
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1200 Posts
February 10 2024 22:11 GMT
#936
On February 11 2024 07:08 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote:
On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote:
On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote:
look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races.

Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play.


Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that.

Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments.


Atrocious series by herO

"Protoss is weak"

MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind


Wish we could prove that Take. I really do.

But as long as Maxpax doesn't play real tournaments how good he is or isn't is pretty irrelevant.


His results are only irrelevant in terms of rating his performance, not of rating Protoss potential. I get the same stupid argumentation about HSC. "Players don't take HSC serious". Pros take tournaments serious, period. Is anyone here saying Maru doesn't care losing to MaxPax 3-4? Clem isn't? Ill quit this discussion. No one that is actually interested in it would actually engage here unfortunately.
Commentator
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1415 Posts
February 10 2024 22:12 GMT
#937
the handfull protoss players left playing in tournaments should consider switching race if they plan to win something in the future
mada mada dane
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12449 Posts
February 10 2024 22:12 GMT
#938
I am fascinated that you guys still have the energy to do this
No will to live, no wish to die
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
February 10 2024 22:13 GMT
#939
On February 11 2024 07:12 Nebuchad wrote:
I am fascinated that you guys still have the energy to do this


It's only 2pm over here in SoCal.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
February 10 2024 22:14 GMT
#940
Head: Serral, Dark, Maru, Cure.

Heart: Clem and Serral (fine with either tbh), SHIN, Byun, Heromarine.
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