On February 11 2024 07:02 Charoisaur wrote:
Protoss won't win anything in Stormgate either
Protoss won't win anything in Stormgate either
I think because I'll only watch the game and not play I don't be race bound
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12449 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:02 Charoisaur wrote: Protoss won't win anything in Stormgate either I think because I'll only watch the game and not play I don't be race bound | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote: look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races. Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play. Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that. Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments. Atrocious series by herO "Protoss is weak" MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4532 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote: On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote: look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races. Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play. Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that. Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments. Atrocious series by herO "Protoss is weak" MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind just play like MaxPax | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12449 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote: On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote: look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races. Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play. Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that. Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments. Atrocious series by herO "Protoss is weak" MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind Who cares lol | ||
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geokilla
Canada8246 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote: On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote: look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races. Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play. Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that. Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments. Atrocious series by herO "Protoss is weak" MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind Unless MaxPax plays offline, his online results are meaningless. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote: On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote: look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races. Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play. Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that. Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments. Atrocious series by herO "Protoss is weak" MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind Wish we could prove that Take. I really do. But as long as Maxpax doesn't play real tournaments how good he is or isn't is pretty irrelevant. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:07 Nakajin wrote: I think we need more work on the map to make intentionally protoss favored maps. It's possible won't ever get another balance patch. Bring back abyssal reef! | ||
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JJH777
United States4417 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote: On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote: look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races. Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play. Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that. Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments. Atrocious series by herO "Protoss is weak" MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind Yeah Maxpax's 36% winrate against Cure is totally the hope for PvT | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:07 geokilla wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote: On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote: On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote: look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races. Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play. Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that. Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments. Atrocious series by herO "Protoss is weak" MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind Unless MaxPax plays offline, his online results are meaningless. Do you want to talk about online/offline performance or about game balance and Protoss performance and potential? We don't live in some mystery world online or simulation. MaxPax shows what Protoss is capable of and herO can play way better PvT than this. Protoss does underperform but this isn't purely based on "protoss weak" and anyone interested in actually discussing this matter would understand. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:07 Nakajin wrote: I think we need more work on the map to make intentionally protoss favored maps. It's possible won't ever get another balance patch. It's honestly the best solution until more permanent solutions can be found. I still don't understand why we keep making Zerg favored maps when Zerg has been winning everything for the last 5 years. | ||
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przemke
Poland7 Posts
Why toss is kept weakest by devs consistently in patches? What is the hour schedule for tomorrow? liqui does not say | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
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dysenterymd
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TaKeTV
Germany1200 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:08 Vindicare605 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2024 07:06 TaKeTV wrote: On February 11 2024 07:04 Vindicare605 wrote: On February 11 2024 07:02 angry_maia wrote: look, i'm not trying to balance whine. But it feels like every year Toss just gets wiped from the tournament so early. I just hate this. I guess like half the people on here just want toss deleted as a race and are happy to watch tvzs all day, but idk I always liked the idea of 3 races. Toss just is so weak right now (not balance, but rather rosters). like Cure Maru Clem Byun even Gabe can all be competitive with the best tosses in the world. Meanwhile no one but hero/maxpax really has a chance against them, and maxpax won't play. Protoss isn't designed to be consistent at the top level above a certain skill level. Needs a redesign to its core mechanics to change that. Protoss is designed to win ladder matches, not tournaments. Atrocious series by herO "Protoss is weak" MaxPax is the far superior PvT player. Haters are blind Wish we could prove that Take. I really do. But as long as Maxpax doesn't play real tournaments how good he is or isn't is pretty irrelevant. His results are only irrelevant in terms of rating his performance, not of rating Protoss potential. I get the same stupid argumentation about HSC. "Players don't take HSC serious". Pros take tournaments serious, period. Is anyone here saying Maru doesn't care losing to MaxPax 3-4? Clem isn't? Ill quit this discussion. No one that is actually interested in it would actually engage here unfortunately. | ||
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kAra
Germany1415 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12449 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On February 11 2024 07:12 Nebuchad wrote: I am fascinated that you guys still have the energy to do this It's only 2pm over here in SoCal. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
Heart: Clem and Serral (fine with either tbh), SHIN, Byun, Heromarine. | ||
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