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On February 11 2024 04:58 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2024 04:53 Glorfindelio wrote:On February 11 2024 04:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:46 Balnazza wrote:
Isn't it nice? Should Serral win the whole thing, we already have so much copium why it doesn't matter: Zerg is OP (but only in EU), he had an easy group, he skipped one round of Bo5s which makes up for a huge skillgap, he even is on the topside of the bracket (so more time to regenerate before the finals!) and of course if EU hadn't has so many qualifying slot more koreans would be there and he totally wouldn't have won then because of reasons.
And atleast half of these can be applied to Clem aswell, so even more copium!
In more relevant news: Nice to see ByuN on fire! Hope his wrists holds! Would be nice if Serral won a major tournament where he didn't have such a big advantage every step of the way, but he's Serral so he's entitled to those advantages right? It's not that Serral wins ONE tournament where he gets favorable group draws and easier qualifiers it's that seemingly every tournament is like that for him. Must be nice to have such consistent luck. He literally just beat Solar, Maru, Reynor and HerO during his last tournament run. If he manages to win here, he'll have to go through (likely) Clem, Dark and Maru. More likely than not someone else ultimately claims victory anyways, so maybe save your whining already? Which he'll do all on the last day. Did you not read my post? Serral got a free pass to the last day of the tournament. That was what I said the advantage was. Oh cool he has to win 3 real matches to win a premiere tournament title, that's so impressive, it clearly justifies ignoring how big of a headstart he got thanks to faulty tournament planning.
Nope, didn't really read your post that closely. Changes nothing. Serral bombing out of the group stages never happens, so at most, he'll miss out on one Bo5 against (likely) weaker competition. Sure, it could have been him against Clem--also could have been him against Skillous, Byun, Cure, Gumi, etc, in this imaginary scenario of yours. Probably not riveting series.
My point is it gets exhausting hearing you whinge about Serral in a LR thread when Clem has a very real chance to take him out tomorrow anyways.
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On February 11 2024 05:04 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2024 05:03 Die4Ever wrote:On February 11 2024 05:01 Durnuu wrote:
I need Wolf to tell me whether ByuN is tilted and what about his hair Speaking of hair, I need Wolf's opinion Reynor's hair.
This is what we all need.
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On February 11 2024 04:48 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2024 04:46 Balnazza wrote:
Isn't it nice? Should Serral win the whole thing, we already have so much copium why it doesn't matter: Zerg is OP (but only in EU), he had an easy group, he skipped one round of Bo5s which makes up for a huge skillgap, he even is on the topside of the bracket (so more time to regenerate before the finals!) and of course if EU hadn't has so many qualifying slot more koreans would be there and he totally wouldn't have won then because of reasons.
And atleast half of these can be applied to Clem aswell, so even more copium!
In more relevant news: Nice to see ByuN on fire! Hope his wrists holds! Would be nice if Serral won a major tournament where he didn't have such a big advantage every step of the way, but he's Serral so he's entitled to those advantages right? It's not that Serral wins ONE tournament where he gets favorable group draws and easier qualifiers it's that seemingly every tournament is like that for him. Must be nice to have such consistent luck.
That's blatantly and verifiably false.
TossHeroes got banned for trolling Maru fans but the most asinine and disrespectful comments are permitted as long as they are directed against Serral. The amount of Korean elitist copium on TL has reached unprecedented heights in recent times.
On February 11 2024 05:02 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2024 05:00 Nasigil wrote:On February 11 2024 04:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:53 Glorfindelio wrote:On February 11 2024 04:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:46 Balnazza wrote:
Isn't it nice? Should Serral win the whole thing, we already have so much copium why it doesn't matter: Zerg is OP (but only in EU), he had an easy group, he skipped one round of Bo5s which makes up for a huge skillgap, he even is on the topside of the bracket (so more time to regenerate before the finals!) and of course if EU hadn't has so many qualifying slot more koreans would be there and he totally wouldn't have won then because of reasons.
And atleast half of these can be applied to Clem aswell, so even more copium!
In more relevant news: Nice to see ByuN on fire! Hope his wrists holds! Would be nice if Serral won a major tournament where he didn't have such a big advantage every step of the way, but he's Serral so he's entitled to those advantages right? It's not that Serral wins ONE tournament where he gets favorable group draws and easier qualifiers it's that seemingly every tournament is like that for him. Must be nice to have such consistent luck. He literally just beat Solar, Maru, Reynor and HerO during his last tournament run. If he manages to win here, he'll have to go through (likely) Clem, Dark and Maru. More likely than not someone else ultimately claims victory anyways, so maybe save your whining already? Which he'll do all on the last day. Did you not read my post? Serral got a free pass to the last day of the tournament. That was what I said the advantage was. Oh cool he has to win 3 real matches to win a premiere tournament title, that's so impressive, it clearly justifies ignoring how big of a headstart he got thanks to faulty tournament planning. It was a Swiss format tournament so everyone was equal and Maru actually did better in the group stage than Serral. Well guess what he immediatley got swept by Serral in upper bracket semifinals. You wanna blame that on tournament format? I'm talking about this tournament, not the Swiss tournaments. It's this tournament's egregiously lopsided group stage that I'm complaining about. I don't know what the rest of you guys think the issue is.
Ah, yes, by "seemingly every tournament" you mean "this tournament."
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Jeeeez just tuned in, Clem being one game from elimination twice is scary! After the performance at the Winter Masters I am still hoping for him to get to the finals.
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On February 11 2024 05:02 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2024 05:00 Nasigil wrote:On February 11 2024 04:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:53 Glorfindelio wrote:On February 11 2024 04:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:46 Balnazza wrote:
Isn't it nice? Should Serral win the whole thing, we already have so much copium why it doesn't matter: Zerg is OP (but only in EU), he had an easy group, he skipped one round of Bo5s which makes up for a huge skillgap, he even is on the topside of the bracket (so more time to regenerate before the finals!) and of course if EU hadn't has so many qualifying slot more koreans would be there and he totally wouldn't have won then because of reasons.
And atleast half of these can be applied to Clem aswell, so even more copium!
In more relevant news: Nice to see ByuN on fire! Hope his wrists holds! Would be nice if Serral won a major tournament where he didn't have such a big advantage every step of the way, but he's Serral so he's entitled to those advantages right? It's not that Serral wins ONE tournament where he gets favorable group draws and easier qualifiers it's that seemingly every tournament is like that for him. Must be nice to have such consistent luck. He literally just beat Solar, Maru, Reynor and HerO during his last tournament run. If he manages to win here, he'll have to go through (likely) Clem, Dark and Maru. More likely than not someone else ultimately claims victory anyways, so maybe save your whining already? Which he'll do all on the last day. Did you not read my post? Serral got a free pass to the last day of the tournament. That was what I said the advantage was. Oh cool he has to win 3 real matches to win a premiere tournament title, that's so impressive, it clearly justifies ignoring how big of a headstart he got thanks to faulty tournament planning. It was a Swiss format tournament so everyone was equal and Maru actually did better in the group stage than Serral. Well guess what he immediatley got swept by Serral in upper bracket semifinals. You wanna blame that on tournament format? I'm talking about this tournament, not the Swiss tournaments. It's this tournament's egregiously lopsided group stage that I'm complaining about. I don't know what the rest of you guys think the issue is.
And we are trying to tell you, when a player is actually that much stronger, the difference in group stage doens't matter. Just Imagine your worst death group consist of Serral/herO/Solar/Maru/Reynor and it will very likely turned out to be something like the result of Master of Coliseum 7.
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On February 11 2024 05:07 Antithesis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2024 04:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:46 Balnazza wrote:
Isn't it nice? Should Serral win the whole thing, we already have so much copium why it doesn't matter: Zerg is OP (but only in EU), he had an easy group, he skipped one round of Bo5s which makes up for a huge skillgap, he even is on the topside of the bracket (so more time to regenerate before the finals!) and of course if EU hadn't has so many qualifying slot more koreans would be there and he totally wouldn't have won then because of reasons.
And atleast half of these can be applied to Clem aswell, so even more copium!
In more relevant news: Nice to see ByuN on fire! Hope his wrists holds! Would be nice if Serral won a major tournament where he didn't have such a big advantage every step of the way, but he's Serral so he's entitled to those advantages right? It's not that Serral wins ONE tournament where he gets favorable group draws and easier qualifiers it's that seemingly every tournament is like that for him. Must be nice to have such consistent luck. That's blatantly and verifiably false. TossHeroes got banned for trolling Maru fans but the most asinine and disrespectful comments are permitted as long as they are directed against Serral. The amount of Korean elitist copium on TL has reached unprecedented heights in recent times. Show nested quote +On February 11 2024 05:02 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 05:00 Nasigil wrote:On February 11 2024 04:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:53 Glorfindelio wrote:On February 11 2024 04:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:46 Balnazza wrote:
Isn't it nice? Should Serral win the whole thing, we already have so much copium why it doesn't matter: Zerg is OP (but only in EU), he had an easy group, he skipped one round of Bo5s which makes up for a huge skillgap, he even is on the topside of the bracket (so more time to regenerate before the finals!) and of course if EU hadn't has so many qualifying slot more koreans would be there and he totally wouldn't have won then because of reasons.
And atleast half of these can be applied to Clem aswell, so even more copium!
In more relevant news: Nice to see ByuN on fire! Hope his wrists holds! Would be nice if Serral won a major tournament where he didn't have such a big advantage every step of the way, but he's Serral so he's entitled to those advantages right? It's not that Serral wins ONE tournament where he gets favorable group draws and easier qualifiers it's that seemingly every tournament is like that for him. Must be nice to have such consistent luck. He literally just beat Solar, Maru, Reynor and HerO during his last tournament run. If he manages to win here, he'll have to go through (likely) Clem, Dark and Maru. More likely than not someone else ultimately claims victory anyways, so maybe save your whining already? Which he'll do all on the last day. Did you not read my post? Serral got a free pass to the last day of the tournament. That was what I said the advantage was. Oh cool he has to win 3 real matches to win a premiere tournament title, that's so impressive, it clearly justifies ignoring how big of a headstart he got thanks to faulty tournament planning. It was a Swiss format tournament so everyone was equal and Maru actually did better in the group stage than Serral. Well guess what he immediatley got swept by Serral in upper bracket semifinals. You wanna blame that on tournament format? I'm talking about this tournament, not the Swiss tournaments. It's this tournament's egregiously lopsided group stage that I'm complaining about. I don't know what the rest of you guys think the issue is. Ah, yes, by "seemingly every tournament" you mean "this tournament."
The difference is I'm not trolling Serral fans, or blaming Serral personally for any of this. I'm complaining about shoddy tournament planning. It's you all that are taking it ultra defensively, like notice how the person I was responding to brought up serral first PREEMPTIVELY before anyone even said anything about him.
Track the history of the thread back and you'll see my complaint has been with the lopsided groups and ESL's consistent pattern of having unfair groups at IEM Katowice. That's not a personal attack on anyone, that's a complaint about a pattern of tournament planning that has factual evidence to back it up.
You guys are the ones that want to make this all about Serral, because and this is another verifiable fact, Serral gets the benefit of these lopsided groups way more than anyone else does. I'm happy to ignore the Serral aspect of this whole scenario if you guys are, but I'm still going to complain about ESL's tournament planning until they fix it.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
Format isn’t a huge issue for me, although for me the extra break for going straight Ro8 is a bit much mayhaps.
It’s the combination when you draw such obviously wonky groups.
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that could be the winning move omg!
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Gumi got the extra cc it will even out
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GuMiho the last airbender
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or gumi will just kill him lol
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On February 11 2024 05:15 Topin wrote:
that could be the winning move omg!
i guess not... come on ByuN you had this ahhhhhh T_T
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TossHeroes got banned for trolling Maru fans but the most asinine and disrespectful comments are permitted as long as they are directed against Serral. The amount of Korean elitist copium on TL has reached unprecedented heights in recent times.
TossHeroes got banned because his post history was hot garbage.
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Canada8989 Posts
Gumiho was born in aggressive mech, ByuN merely adopted the cyclone
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On February 11 2024 05:17 Nakajin wrote:
Gumiho was born in aggressive mech, ByuN merely adopted the cyclone
Tis nae mech lad
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On February 11 2024 05:11 Nasigil wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2024 05:02 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 05:00 Nasigil wrote:On February 11 2024 04:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:53 Glorfindelio wrote:On February 11 2024 04:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:46 Balnazza wrote:
Isn't it nice? Should Serral win the whole thing, we already have so much copium why it doesn't matter: Zerg is OP (but only in EU), he had an easy group, he skipped one round of Bo5s which makes up for a huge skillgap, he even is on the topside of the bracket (so more time to regenerate before the finals!) and of course if EU hadn't has so many qualifying slot more koreans would be there and he totally wouldn't have won then because of reasons.
And atleast half of these can be applied to Clem aswell, so even more copium!
In more relevant news: Nice to see ByuN on fire! Hope his wrists holds! Would be nice if Serral won a major tournament where he didn't have such a big advantage every step of the way, but he's Serral so he's entitled to those advantages right? It's not that Serral wins ONE tournament where he gets favorable group draws and easier qualifiers it's that seemingly every tournament is like that for him. Must be nice to have such consistent luck. He literally just beat Solar, Maru, Reynor and HerO during his last tournament run. If he manages to win here, he'll have to go through (likely) Clem, Dark and Maru. More likely than not someone else ultimately claims victory anyways, so maybe save your whining already? Which he'll do all on the last day. Did you not read my post? Serral got a free pass to the last day of the tournament. That was what I said the advantage was. Oh cool he has to win 3 real matches to win a premiere tournament title, that's so impressive, it clearly justifies ignoring how big of a headstart he got thanks to faulty tournament planning. It was a Swiss format tournament so everyone was equal and Maru actually did better in the group stage than Serral. Well guess what he immediatley got swept by Serral in upper bracket semifinals. You wanna blame that on tournament format? I'm talking about this tournament, not the Swiss tournaments. It's this tournament's egregiously lopsided group stage that I'm complaining about. I don't know what the rest of you guys think the issue is. And we are trying to tell you, when a player is actually that much stronger, the difference in group stage doens't matter. Just Imagine your worst death group consist of Serral/herO/Solar/Maru/Reynor and it will very likely turned out to be something like the result of Master of Coliseum 7.
Serral is that much stronger at the moment but isn't always so much stronger that his group wouldn't matter. There were many times especially between 2020-2022 where Serral very well could have been eliminated in groups if he was in a group of death but I don't think he's ever been in one besides Blizzcon 2019 when Zerg was ridiculous. No matter how you look at it is crazy that he's been at the top level for so long and has only been in the hardest group of an event one time and is usually in the easiest.
Its especially annoying when people rave about his consistency without acknowledging his group luck. Even in this event if he gets eliminated by Clem tomorrow a few years from now people will forget about his group and say see even in a bad year Serral still makes top 8! Look how consistent he is.
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On February 11 2024 05:11 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2024 05:07 Antithesis wrote:On February 11 2024 04:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:46 Balnazza wrote:
Isn't it nice? Should Serral win the whole thing, we already have so much copium why it doesn't matter: Zerg is OP (but only in EU), he had an easy group, he skipped one round of Bo5s which makes up for a huge skillgap, he even is on the topside of the bracket (so more time to regenerate before the finals!) and of course if EU hadn't has so many qualifying slot more koreans would be there and he totally wouldn't have won then because of reasons.
And atleast half of these can be applied to Clem aswell, so even more copium!
In more relevant news: Nice to see ByuN on fire! Hope his wrists holds! Would be nice if Serral won a major tournament where he didn't have such a big advantage every step of the way, but he's Serral so he's entitled to those advantages right? It's not that Serral wins ONE tournament where he gets favorable group draws and easier qualifiers it's that seemingly every tournament is like that for him. Must be nice to have such consistent luck. That's blatantly and verifiably false. TossHeroes got banned for trolling Maru fans but the most asinine and disrespectful comments are permitted as long as they are directed against Serral. The amount of Korean elitist copium on TL has reached unprecedented heights in recent times. On February 11 2024 05:02 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 05:00 Nasigil wrote:On February 11 2024 04:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:53 Glorfindelio wrote:On February 11 2024 04:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:46 Balnazza wrote:
Isn't it nice? Should Serral win the whole thing, we already have so much copium why it doesn't matter: Zerg is OP (but only in EU), he had an easy group, he skipped one round of Bo5s which makes up for a huge skillgap, he even is on the topside of the bracket (so more time to regenerate before the finals!) and of course if EU hadn't has so many qualifying slot more koreans would be there and he totally wouldn't have won then because of reasons.
And atleast half of these can be applied to Clem aswell, so even more copium!
In more relevant news: Nice to see ByuN on fire! Hope his wrists holds! Would be nice if Serral won a major tournament where he didn't have such a big advantage every step of the way, but he's Serral so he's entitled to those advantages right? It's not that Serral wins ONE tournament where he gets favorable group draws and easier qualifiers it's that seemingly every tournament is like that for him. Must be nice to have such consistent luck. He literally just beat Solar, Maru, Reynor and HerO during his last tournament run. If he manages to win here, he'll have to go through (likely) Clem, Dark and Maru. More likely than not someone else ultimately claims victory anyways, so maybe save your whining already? Which he'll do all on the last day. Did you not read my post? Serral got a free pass to the last day of the tournament. That was what I said the advantage was. Oh cool he has to win 3 real matches to win a premiere tournament title, that's so impressive, it clearly justifies ignoring how big of a headstart he got thanks to faulty tournament planning. It was a Swiss format tournament so everyone was equal and Maru actually did better in the group stage than Serral. Well guess what he immediatley got swept by Serral in upper bracket semifinals. You wanna blame that on tournament format? I'm talking about this tournament, not the Swiss tournaments. It's this tournament's egregiously lopsided group stage that I'm complaining about. I don't know what the rest of you guys think the issue is. Ah, yes, by "seemingly every tournament" you mean "this tournament." The difference is I'm not trolling Serral fans, or blaming Serral personally for any of this. I'm complaining about shoddy tournament planning. It's you all that are taking it ultra defensively, like notice how the person I was responding to brought up serral first PREEMPTIVELY before anyone even said anything about him. Track the history of the thread back and you'll see my complaint has been with the lopsided groups and ESL's consistent pattern of having unfair groups at IEM Katowice. That's not a personal attack on anyone, that's a complaint about a pattern of tournament planning that has factual evidence to back it up. You guys are the ones that want to make this all about Serral, because and this is another verifiable fact, Serral gets the benefit of these lopsided groups way more than anyone else does. I'm happy to ignore the Serral aspect of this whole scenario if you guys are, but I'm still going to complain about ESL's tournament planning until they fix it.
"Would be nice if Serral won a major tournament where he didn't have such a big advantage every step of the way, but he's Serral so he's entitled to those advantages right?"
I mean, there's 4-5 posters that consistently try to disrespect him--which whatever, if that's your thing, good on you. In a perfect world, it just wouldn't happen during a LR thread when the games being played have nothing to do with him. But clearly, we don't live in that world.
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I guess Maru benefits a bit from this being 3-2?
Whoever wins, Maru could take notes of some of their builds in full 5 games.
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On February 11 2024 05:19 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2024 05:11 Nasigil wrote:On February 11 2024 05:02 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 05:00 Nasigil wrote:On February 11 2024 04:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:53 Glorfindelio wrote:On February 11 2024 04:48 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 11 2024 04:46 Balnazza wrote:
Isn't it nice? Should Serral win the whole thing, we already have so much copium why it doesn't matter: Zerg is OP (but only in EU), he had an easy group, he skipped one round of Bo5s which makes up for a huge skillgap, he even is on the topside of the bracket (so more time to regenerate before the finals!) and of course if EU hadn't has so many qualifying slot more koreans would be there and he totally wouldn't have won then because of reasons.
And atleast half of these can be applied to Clem aswell, so even more copium!
In more relevant news: Nice to see ByuN on fire! Hope his wrists holds! Would be nice if Serral won a major tournament where he didn't have such a big advantage every step of the way, but he's Serral so he's entitled to those advantages right? It's not that Serral wins ONE tournament where he gets favorable group draws and easier qualifiers it's that seemingly every tournament is like that for him. Must be nice to have such consistent luck. He literally just beat Solar, Maru, Reynor and HerO during his last tournament run. If he manages to win here, he'll have to go through (likely) Clem, Dark and Maru. More likely than not someone else ultimately claims victory anyways, so maybe save your whining already? Which he'll do all on the last day. Did you not read my post? Serral got a free pass to the last day of the tournament. That was what I said the advantage was. Oh cool he has to win 3 real matches to win a premiere tournament title, that's so impressive, it clearly justifies ignoring how big of a headstart he got thanks to faulty tournament planning. It was a Swiss format tournament so everyone was equal and Maru actually did better in the group stage than Serral. Well guess what he immediatley got swept by Serral in upper bracket semifinals. You wanna blame that on tournament format? I'm talking about this tournament, not the Swiss tournaments. It's this tournament's egregiously lopsided group stage that I'm complaining about. I don't know what the rest of you guys think the issue is. And we are trying to tell you, when a player is actually that much stronger, the difference in group stage doens't matter. Just Imagine your worst death group consist of Serral/herO/Solar/Maru/Reynor and it will very likely turned out to be something like the result of Master of Coliseum 7. Serral is that much stronger at the moment but isn't always so much stronger that his group wouldn't matter. There were many times especially between 2020-2022 where Serral very well could have been eliminated in groups if he was in a group of death but I don't think he's ever been in one besides Blizzcon 2019 when Zerg was ridiculous. No matter how you look at it is crazy that he's been at the top level for so long and has only been in the hardest group of an event one time and is usually in the easiest. Its especially annoying when people rave about his consistency without acknowledging his group luck. Even in this event if he gets eliminated by Clem tomorrow a few years from now people will forget about his group and say see even in a bad year Serral still makes top 8! Look how consistent he is.
I hope you stick around to keep reminding people
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