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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
August 03 2023 18:41 GMT
#141
If there’s a signature twist this tournament has so far it’s presenters comparing various player’s records in Wardi tournaments
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
August 03 2023 18:45 GMT
#142
Huh, maybe there is something wrong with Serral, this is now two games he's taken lots of damage from early harass.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7997 Posts
August 03 2023 18:55 GMT
#143
Serral needs to wake up
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
August 03 2023 19:03 GMT
#144
I think herO thought that both oracles were shooting, but only one was, so he half killed every drone.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
August 03 2023 19:08 GMT
#145
Hero used to build stasis wards constantly on the map with 4 or 5 oracles. Not doing anything like that this game, and it seems like he's being punished for it with how well the lings do against stalkers.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
August 03 2023 19:09 GMT
#146
that lack of splash is hurting herO... few storms would be perfect here
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3516 Posts
August 03 2023 19:11 GMT
#147
Immortal against lingbane? herO trying to throw?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
August 03 2023 19:11 GMT
#148
I like the Immortals, but you really need a counter vs Lings
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
August 03 2023 19:19 GMT
#149
Okay, herO completely fell apart in g3. And with unforced errors
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3516 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-03 19:21:31
August 03 2023 19:21 GMT
#150
At this point, herO build and decision making in PvZ is worse than Creator and Classic. This could have been a 2-0 had Serral not lost those early Drones in game 1.
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1219 Posts
August 03 2023 19:21 GMT
#151
Winning a map was better than expected
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Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States469 Posts
August 03 2023 19:21 GMT
#152
The 6 adepts and Oracle suiciding absolutely cemented the loss. Heros targeting was pretty bad in games 2 and 3 with adepts and oracles
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
August 03 2023 19:22 GMT
#153
herO needs to wake up, that was a dumb lose
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
August 03 2023 19:24 GMT
#154
Oof, good fight from herO in general but that was a brutal game 3
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Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany460 Posts
August 03 2023 19:24 GMT
#155
That hair! Like Bill Murray in Kingpin XD
Still, Serral delivering like always, despite losing some maps
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9335 Posts
August 03 2023 19:26 GMT
#156
Hmm I wonder why hero spends so much time on gateway + low amount of robo units. Does he think archons are bad or just can't afford them?
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-03 19:32:46
August 03 2023 19:32 GMT
#157
On August 04 2023 04:26 Sent. wrote:
Hmm I wonder why hero spends so much time on gateway + low amount of robo units. Does he think archons are bad or just can't afford them?

I didn't see herO's exact gas count, but I think he delays/doesn't get extra extractors to get more bases + gateway units to keep up the pressure.

By the time you're against cracklings you should really reconsider though...
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Seacow
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden99 Posts
August 03 2023 19:34 GMT
#158
On August 04 2023 04:26 Sent. wrote:
Hmm I wonder why hero spends so much time on gateway + low amount of robo units. Does he think archons are bad or just can't afford them?


Maybe because he likes to skirmish with speedlots + blink stalkers, nice mobility and gives him pressure to take 4th, 5th behind it etc. The moment he got a big immortal count they ended up not being able to disengage and Serral could force fights. This is P's major, MAJOR weakness compared to Z/T - you can't disengage safely with high-tech units since they're slow as fuck.

Still think Archons would've been nice in g2, he had nothing vs lings once the ling count got big enough
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
August 03 2023 19:47 GMT
#159
On August 04 2023 04:26 Sent. wrote:
Hmm I wonder why hero spends so much time on gateway + low amount of robo units. Does he think archons are bad or just can't afford them?

I guess it’s a tempo thing, when he first started showing this style it was stalkers in your face one area, a big chargelot squad elsewhere, oracles causing mischief

If I’m unexpectedly doing well fighting a bear, Bigfoot or Mike Tyson by downing them and continually punching them in the face I’ll probably keep doing that than let up and give any space to both recover, and be very angry given I’d repeatedly been smacking them in the noggin.

Seems a tough transition to manage, it either snowballs momentum into killing blows, or you gradually lose steam.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-08-03 20:03:15
August 03 2023 20:02 GMT
#160
On August 04 2023 03:35 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2023 03:24 TaKeTV wrote:
I would love to elaborate on the reasoning map 1 was a massive throw.

Cure had at times 8 base against the likes of 3-4. Maru was going for what he usually does - a massive tank/viking/raven army. This isn't news to viewers, casters and it shouldnt be news to Cure. He saw that. The army is strong and Maru can turn games around yet why is losing not okay here?

Cure has so many bases and he NEEDS TO have a plan. He knows the only losing scenarios are:

- taking head on engagements against the superior army
- allowing Marus army to get into a position where it can threaten your production

If Maru gets into position, you can lose even with a great advantage. The throw is not having the ability to forsee whats happening or the farsight on your win conditions. He had ressources to add 3-4 starports for example at any outside base and go for 8-10 vikings to snipe Marus buildings.

He could have went for more production on the outside bases (i.e 2 factories, etc) to set up a proper defence with units. There are a lot of plays. Most ideally though: Take your advantage of 8 base and do not engage in basetrading or letting Maru in position easy.

The best scenario is replicating the army of Maru early enough. You don't need to match it 1-1 since you will be capable of outproducing it and zerging it down, but simply ignoring any options and then losing units all over the place was a throw.

Maru played that PERFECTLY but he could have never won that if Cure didn't poorly play it.


I am sure if you pause the game and give Cure 5 min to think about it he will do many of those things perfectly, the problem is that few SC2 players are that cold blooded. Actually I would say only Maru and maybe Serral if it wasnt for his early GG vs Ragna at kato are at that level.

I thought about doing that. If a game gets crazy, just pause, ask for a minute and think what I need to do to win (and hope my opponent doesnt). Never did it though, mostly because I always forget but also because its kind of a dick move to pause without a valid reason.

Wouldnt work in pro games of course, you cant pause for no reason there.
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