EPT[IEM] Katowice 2023 - RO24 Group Stage - Day 2 - Page 15
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[Phantom]
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Waxangel
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Vindicare605
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Argonauta
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
But also idk why he didn't research the building damage, that's the whole point | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
On February 11 2023 03:22 [Phantom] wrote: Tempest are so much worse vs vikings now. Tempest need a desperrate buff, idk why they werent buffed. But also idk why he didn't research the building damage, that's the whole point Tempests aren't supposed to be good vs Vikings. They're supposed to be good vs Capital Ships and Broodlords. They can't get buffed because the first thing Protoss do with them is use them in stupid all ins like this. They are supposed to be a late game unit for countering turtle style play, Broodlords, and Battlecruisers. | ||
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atrox_
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
On February 11 2023 03:23 Vindicare605 wrote: Tempests aren't supposed to be good vs Vikings. They're supposed to be good vs Capital Ships and Broodlords. They can't get buffed because the first thing Protoss do with them is use them in stupid all ins like this. They are supposed to be a late game unit for countering turtle style play, Broodlords, and Battlecruisers. Yes, but Vikigns got buffed, and BL. Tempest are still super slow, take forever to atach into a target, and forever to turn around. So now Tempest do even worse vs vikings than before, and they do worse vs BL, while still being able to be coutnered by BC with their jump. I'm not saying they should be good vs vikigns, but they just have received the same buff hydras got to mantain the unit relationship. And Actually i'd argue they do need an anti air buff now that liberators will be more common in the matchup. In any case, that was a pathetic game from classic. The tempest damage sucks vs air and vs ground if you don't have the upgrade the damage will be just repaired, idk why he didn't research it. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
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Waxangel
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
On February 11 2023 03:26 [Phantom] wrote: Yes, but Vikigns got buffed, and BL. Tempest are still super slow, take forever to atach into a target, and forever to turn around. So now Tempest do even worse vs vikings than before, and they do worse vs BL, while still being able to be coutnered by BC with their jump. I'm not saying they should be good vs vikigns, but they just have received the same buff hydras got to mantain the unit relationship. And Actually i'd argue they do need an anti air buff now that liberators will be more common in the matchup. In any case, that was a pathetic game from classic. The tempest damage sucks vs air and vs ground if you don't have the upgrade the damage will be just repaired, idk why he didn't research it. Vikings got buffed BECAUSE Broodlords did. Could make the whole situation simpler by just reverting the Broodlord buffs altogether and all of the arms racing it causes. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
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dysenterymd
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On February 11 2023 03:30 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Looks like all the Ro36 players will be eliminated during the groups this year as well. Has anyone ever gotten to the playoffs from the Ro36? Ryung did last year. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Can't fault him for doing something random, but it's still sad that he won't advance. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4959 Posts
On February 11 2023 03:31 Fango wrote: Well Classic hasn't beaten Maru in what, 5 years? Last series I remember was 2018 Super Tournament 1. Can't fault him for doing something random, but it's still sad that he won't advance. Didn't everybody lost his mind when classic DT rushed Rogue in that quarterfinals? This is how it looks when the coin lands in the other side | ||
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Gescom
Canada3507 Posts
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On February 11 2023 03:33 Argonauta wrote: Didn't everybody lost his mind when classic DT rushed Rogue in that quarterfinals? This is how it looks when the coin lands in the other side Classic was a far better player all around then though | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On February 11 2023 03:22 [Phantom] wrote: Tempest are so much worse vs vikings now. Tempest need a desperrate buff, idk why they werent buffed. But also idk why he didn't research the building damage, that's the whole point do you ever do anything other than complain about protoss balance? it was a cheese build, i don't think you can interpret anything about the balance of tempests from this match. if anything, how maru reacted should tell you WHY this build isn't played outside of a random cheese. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16117 Posts
On February 11 2023 03:33 Gescom wrote: People talking about Brood Lords buffs as though Broodlings didn't lose duration. The changes were all designed to make for a major enjoyable playing and viewing experience. Units are more microable, and there is more skill potential. Don't look at things with such a basic viewpoint. Please. Anyone with working eyes can see that Broodlords are significantly better now than they were pre patch. The nerf to the Broodling Duration was just to compensate for how much better they are to keep them from getting out of hand and breaking the game again like they already have twice in SC2's life. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
On February 11 2023 03:33 Gescom wrote: People talking about Brood Lords buffs as though Broodlings didn't lose duration. The changes were all designed to make for a major enjoyable playing and viewing experience. Units are more microable, and there is more skill potential. Don't look at things with such a basic viewpoint. Yeah, they did it so there is more enjobable playing (for zerg) and viewing, withouth any thought of the implications, that's the whole issue most people ahd with the patch. I'll due on the hill that Tempest need a buff. On February 11 2023 03:34 BluemoonSC wrote: do you ever do anything other than complain about protoss balance? it was a cheese build, i don't think you can interpret anything about the balance of tempests from this match. if anything, how maru reacted should tell you WHY this build isn't played outside of a random cheese. Sometimes I complain about Terran balance, but here it seems they eneded up with the best result of still being decent vs Zerg and buffed vs Protoss. And yeah, I agree Classic didn't lose because of balance, he justplayed terrible, but that doesn't mean Tempest don't need a buff when the unit they are supposed to counter got better, BC are still decent agaisnt them, and their counters (vikings) got buffed. ____ Edit: Also I'll admit at least a small part of this is jsut to discuss something between games  | ||
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