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Waxangel
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Map Pool PlayersArmani, Cham, Elazer, Scarlett, soO Coffee, Cure, Ryung, Spirit Bracket![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/EPT/Katowice2023/ro36bracket_1.png) CSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: IEM | ||
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tigera6
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Khabra
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Acrofales
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On February 08 2023 01:05 Khabra wrote: Cure by far the strongest competitor in this bracket imo. Would love to see soOjwa back in top shape! Isn't Zoun in that bracket too? Not sure I'd rank Cure over Zoun. Based on historic results sure, but Cure hasn't been putting up those results recently (or he wouldn't have to fight his way through the Ro36). Either way, Cure and Zoun look like they got the easier bracket. Really just Has and Harstem who might contest. Top with soO, Ryung, Classic, Scarlett and Elazer looks way harder. | ||
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tigera6
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Most likely to make it: Cure, Zoun Probably make it if they show up: Scarlett, Elazer, Ryung, Spirit, Soo, Classic Will be surprised but cool if they make it: Nightmare, Charm, Has, Harstem | ||
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Cricketer12
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Kreuger
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 Good thing Ill have the last few hours left of bracket after work, gonna be a great few days! | ||
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argonautdice
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tigera6
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On February 08 2023 02:36 Cricketer12 wrote: Wax where is this promised power rank? Zerg > Maru - herO > Byun - Clem - Bunny > everyone else. There you have it. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3505 Posts
On February 08 2023 02:36 Cricketer12 wrote: Wax where is this promised power rank? https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/606796-power-rank-iem-katowice-2023  | ||
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Gescom
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Poopi
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On February 08 2023 15:01 Gescom wrote: Expecting to see the Koreans plow through this round, but always excited for some good games and potential upsets and dark horses. :0) In the local hero Spirit we trust! | ||
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Argonauta
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Nakajin
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Waxangel
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The Schedule Cabal is real :0 | ||
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Nakajin
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On February 08 2023 20:34 Waxangel wrote: All the R1 matches ended within a minute of each other as 2-0's The Schedule Cabal is real :0 They like to pit Zerg, Terran and Protoss against each other, but Talkcraft always win. Edit: Spirit with a protoss-colour keyboard, I feel like that's just asking to have Has push hin to smack his keyboard in pieces. | ||
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Schelim
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Argonauta
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On February 08 2023 20:34 Waxangel wrote: All the R1 matches ended within a minute of each other as 2-0's The Schedule Cabal is real :0 I am outside of the loop, is this being play in the patch iteration that buffs zergs and nerf toss and terran? | ||
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Poopi
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edit: saw Coffee destroy Zoun in g3, he used a clever 2 base all-in with a lot of tanks on a new map with a sweet tank spot. The disruptors were unable to shoot effectively due to the rocks + reduced nova, maybe protoss will struggle this IEM? Too early to tell but Coffee beating Zoun is an insane upset imho | ||
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Waxangel
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TL;DR: two base pushes are good | ||
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Nakajin
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digmouse
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Vindicare605
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Waxangel
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Nakajin
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Vindicare605
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On February 08 2023 23:31 Waxangel wrote: the cabal is sad to report the demise of archbishop scarlett Cabal on Cabal violence. | ||
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Vindicare605
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Poopi
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On February 08 2023 23:33 Nakajin wrote: I don't want to live in a world where Scarlett get 2-0 out of Katowice by Nightmare and Cham It was Classic and Cham, and imo Classic was in worse form than NightMare. With the new maps and patch it is hard to gauge player power level accurately though, Classic might not be as bad as he seemed to be a few months ago | ||
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geokilla
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La1
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Vindicare605
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Acrofales
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digmouse
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hg2g21
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Kantuva
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And ESL production is *really on top*, enjoying this one thoroughly, thanks for all the work guys  | ||
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Waxangel
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Ciaus_Dronu
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On February 09 2023 01:33 Waxangel wrote: side stream games have been pretty sick, feels like main stream is getting unlucky with these interminable PvZ standoffs :[ They should know by now to not show ZvP and TvT early on unless nothing else is available  | ||
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dysenterymd
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Javah
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Poopi
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Captain Peabody
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Ciaus_Dronu
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Must see game if you wanna catch all the good IEM stuff IMO. | ||
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Gescom
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On February 09 2023 01:41 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: They should know by now to not show ZvP and TvT early on unless nothing else is available Oh no, we ll have Spirit vs Cure next..  | ||
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darklycid
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Nakajin
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Poopi
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We thought he was in bad shape in 2022, but he was doing a Lilbow and actually practicing for the World Championship | ||
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tigera6
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dysenterymd
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Classic making a deep run would be amazing. | ||
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tigera6
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darklycid
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darklycid
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tigera6
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JJH777
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[PkF] Wire
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tigera6
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HeroSandro
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On February 09 2023 02:27 JJH777 wrote: If Classic loses this series after going up 2-0 and almost winning the 3rd game before killing his own units with a disruptor that will be one of the saddest results ever. Solar has something to say about that😛 | ||
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Nakajin
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On February 09 2023 02:46 tigera6 wrote: Hydra stuttering off-creep looks OP to me I haven't watch enough Sc2 since the patch to judge, but seeing a hydra off creep escape my stim bio was quite jarring. | ||
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On February 09 2023 02:46 tigera6 wrote: Hydra stuttering off-creep looks OP to me Why did they buff a staple and strong unit? It's like buffing the marine, it seems really weird especially since zerg was not struggling. They can add micro potential in some other places | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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darklycid
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tigera6
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StasisField
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swarminfestor
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dysenterymd
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He'll need to clean it up to go further, but this is the best Classic's looked in a while so I'm happy. | ||
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tigera6
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On February 09 2023 02:54 Poopi wrote: Why did they buff a staple and strong unit? It's like buffing the marine, it seems really weird especially since zerg was not struggling. They can add micro potential in some other places Hydra with range upgrade and this new speed off-creep make it nearly impossible to use Storm against them, they can just shoot from afar and move back when the storm drop down. I think Classic realize that as well and use Colossus on the last game instead, Edit: Imagine if Classic get through the Ro36 only to be put on group D. | ||
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Cricketer12
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Waxangel
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On February 09 2023 03:03 dysenterymd wrote: Did Classic's stalkers eat another disruptor shot in the final fight? He did indeed! Maybe he would have lost if he was playing with unnerfed disruptors | ||
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Moonerz
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Gescom
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Argonauta
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On February 08 2023 20:59 Argonauta wrote: I am outside of the loop, is this being play in the patch iteration that buffs zergs and nerf toss and terran? Waxangel? | ||
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Nakajin
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It's on the last patch yea | ||
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Kreuger
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Argonauta
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Got it! Thanks | ||
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tigera6
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Kreuger
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Gescom
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Ciaus_Dronu
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Andi_Goldberger
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starkiller123
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geokilla
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JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE | ||
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ZeroByte13
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Even if Spirit loses this game, he gave us a few really good games. | ||
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starkiller123
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Andi_Goldberger
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Die4Ever
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patermatrix
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Argonauta
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geokilla
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ZeroByte13
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geokilla
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starkiller123
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Argonauta
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Luolis
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edit: well too late now. | ||
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ZeroByte13
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Gescom
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On February 09 2023 03:53 Gescom wrote: Yo? Sick games from Spirit so far. Cursed it. I hate what I just saw. -_- | ||
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geokilla
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Argonauta
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starkiller123
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ZeroByte13
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On February 09 2023 05:06 Argonauta wrote: Didn't age that well, did it? crazy game, but not having scans is instalose in a TvT | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
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Argonauta
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it freacking didn't lol | ||
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Gescom
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ZeroByte13
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He must be furious with himself. | ||
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StasisField
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Acrofales
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On February 09 2023 03:10 tigera6 wrote: Hydra with range upgrade and this new speed off-creep make it nearly impossible to use Storm against them, they can just shoot from afar and move back when the storm drop down. I think Classic realize that as well and use Colossus on the last game instead, Edit: Imagine if Classic get through the Ro36 only to be put on group D. Hydra speed wasn't buffed tho. If you just move, hydras move at the same speed as before patch. The difference is just in how fast you can tell them to move again after a shot. Nothing has really changed in their ability to Dodge storms. Now if you were complaining about them kiting stalkers or something then yes, that was changed. But not their speed at which they can run away from storms.... | ||
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ZeroByte13
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Moonerz
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Pretty good chance all 4 advancing are KR too especially after Spirit had to play that draining series | ||
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ZeroByte13
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On February 09 2023 05:10 Acrofales wrote: Then what is this?Hydra speed wasn't buffed tho. Muscular Augments move speed bonus off Creep increased from 0.79 to 0.98. | ||
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dysenterymd
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On February 09 2023 05:11 Moonerz wrote: Wow what a series. Feel like Cure just dragged those games to the point theyre both making tons of mistakes, but Cure had slightly more stability and endurance. TvT feels like the weak spot for all foreign Ts. Pretty good chance all 4 advancing are KR too especially after Spirit had to play that draining series I have very little faith in Ryung's TvZ, so I think it'll be 3 Koreans. | ||
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atrox_
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Durnuu
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
On February 09 2023 05:13 atrox_ wrote: Why does spirit have to play straight away? Why not elazer ryung first TakeTV stream title has Ryung vs Elazer next. | ||
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atrox_
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On February 09 2023 05:19 geokilla wrote: TakeTV stream title has Ryung vs Elazer next. Ah seemingly it is, liquipedia had spirit first | ||
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Waxangel
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JJH777
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Vindicare605
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On February 09 2023 06:12 JJH777 wrote: It's too bad for Ryung that he had multiple Zergs in his path. In a TvP, TvT path it looks likely he would have advanced. At some point he needs to just not be so helpless in TvZ, he can't rely on bracket luck to avoid Zerg in every tournament especially if he's going to play in an international tournament. | ||
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darklycid
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geokilla
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On February 09 2023 06:17 Vindicare605 wrote: At some point he needs to just not be so helpless in TvZ, he can't rely on bracket luck to avoid Zerg in every tournament especially if he's going to play in an international tournament. Ryung needs to train with MMA. | ||
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On February 09 2023 05:10 Acrofales wrote: Hydra speed wasn't buffed tho. If you just move, hydras move at the same speed as before patch. The difference is just in how fast you can tell them to move again after a shot. Nothing has really changed in their ability to Dodge storms. Now if you were complaining about them kiting stalkers or something then yes, that was changed. But not their speed at which they can run away from storms.... They were buffed off creep in movement speed too, it says so and it shows when you play against them or watch games. Reading patch notes is hella annoying by nature especially with such a long list, but I read it thoughtfully | ||
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Moonerz
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Captain Peabody
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[PkF] Wire
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[PkF] Wire
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edit : I guess not haha | ||
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Cricketer12
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Acrofales
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Looked rough for Zoun, maybe he's just tired from the long day but his reactions were awful there. His initial response to the mines was sloppy and even after cleaning up the drop he wasn't re-saturating his base. And then the supply blocks lost him the game | ||
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Beelzebub1
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Those next groups look absolutely insane, I think Hero and Serral are destined to forever battle each other. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3505 Posts
See ya tomorrow! ^^ | ||
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JJH777
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TossHeroes
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As long as he doesn’t play macro game | ||
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QOGQOG
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On February 09 2023 09:35 TossHeroes wrote: Very doable group for Classic mainly PvT As long as he doesn’t play macro game I mean, maybe I'll be proven wrong but I feel like any of those Terrans will stomp him. Maru and Bunny at least. | ||
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tigera6
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On February 09 2023 13:49 QOGQOG wrote: I mean, maybe I'll be proven wrong but I feel like any of those Terrans will stomp him. Maru and Bunny at least. When Classic play PvT recently, he has some of the strongest timing push, what failed him was the execution, just like how he lost the Prism to Elazer. If he can clean it up then he has a good shot. | ||
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TossHeroes
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On February 09 2023 13:49 QOGQOG wrote: I mean, maybe I'll be proven wrong but I feel like any of those Terrans will stomp him. Maru and Bunny at least. You just need to have some faithhhh Classic will get stomp in macro games. He needs to stick to timing attacks or cheese. Has style | ||
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Poopi
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Group B is the weakest by far while Maru got a good draw in Classic in theory (let’s see on this mappool / patch). | ||
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Gescom
Canada3505 Posts
On February 09 2023 14:45 Poopi wrote: Poor Clem got the short hand of the stick with this draw, as usual. Group B is the weakest by far while Maru got a good draw in Classic in theory (let’s see on this mappool / patch). Honestly, Cure didn't look great today. Spirit just about took him out, and would have if not for some mistakes. If Clem is in form to do well in this tournament, he should 'easily' advance, alongside Dark. If he can't get out of group then he woulda got bopped in the subsequent round anyhow. I guess we'll find out very soon either way... | ||
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Poopi
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On February 09 2023 14:58 Gescom wrote: Honestly, Cure didn't look great today. Spirit just about took him out, and would have if not for some mistakes. If Clem is in form to do well in this tournament, he should 'easily' advance, alongside Dark. If he can't get out of group then he woulda got bopped in the subsequent round anyhow. I guess we'll find out very soon either way... I am pretty certain Cure will play better in the following days, he should be a bit more rested. I can see Clem lose to Dark and Cure and be upset by any of the three other players, even though he is still the favorite to advance 2nd or 3rd depending on Dark’s form. | ||
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Vindicare605
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