EPTOn September 05 2022 03:34 atrox_ wrote:
only person to give serral any trouble was reynor lol
only person to give serral any trouble was reynor lol
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darklycid
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SHODAN
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On September 05 2022 03:34 Nakajin wrote: Do infestor leave a trace when moving burrow? yea but it's hard to spot (even harder than cloak units). that shit deserves a nerf | ||
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tigera6
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Fanatic-Templar
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geokilla
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Poopi
France13011 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:26 SHODAN wrote: well to put it another way, I haven't seen a single terran veto this map vZ. good for drops, good for tanks + lib chokes, good for walling off, good for lategame turtle ghost / split map shenanigans Still not convinced it is that good, but I agree it’s not the worst map! Congratulations Serral, dominant run | ||
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angry_maia
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tigera6
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On September 05 2022 03:36 angry_maia wrote: hard to deny that Serral is the current best player in the world. Idgaf about "goat" or "most accomplished." I rather mean that right now Serral would be a significant favorite against anyone in a bo7. unless its against Dark or Reynor in ZvZ | ||
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Beelzebub1
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Queens look like they may potentially need more balancing, mass Queens all over the place has just really evolved into a catch all against Terran early aggression and is letting Zerg play ridiculously greedy. The Queen needed to be nerfed to fix ZvP, it was nerfed and now I'd say ZvP has overtaken ZvT as far as match up quality is concerned, probably time to start looking into either reigning in Transfuse (preferable as it's still so powerful defensively) or reducing creep spread potential. Second thing I'm noticing? Serral is a freak of nature, even if Queens are still overtuned. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:35 SHODAN wrote: yea but it's hard to spot (even harder than cloak units). that shit deserves a nerf Seems like they should remove burrow neural at least. (Not a commentary about this serie, but in general it look kind of silly and a bit random if the terran see it or not) | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1711 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:37 Beelzebub1 wrote: Okay, first thing I'm noticing is this. Queens look like they may potentially need more balancing, mass Queens all over the place has just really evolved into a catch all against Terran early aggression and is letting Zerg play ridiculously greedy. The Queen needed to be nerfed to fix ZvP, it was nerfed and now I'd say ZvP has overtaken ZvT as far as match up quality is concerned, probably time to start looking into either reigning in Transfuse (preferable as it's still so powerful defensively) or reducing creep spread potential. Second thing I'm noticing? Serral is a freak of nature, even if Queens are still overtuned. queens have been a catch all vs terran ever since that icefist (?) build in WoL. I don't think anything can be done now with the current state of development with how good zerg is in this game outside of a GSL format tournament that allows for player exploiting | ||
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Captain Peabody
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Nakajin
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The_Red_Viper
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Makes it difficult to really be enthusiastic about the game tbh. Ofc there are many, many more aspects to it, a playerbase which doesn't get new blood which potentially could switch things up more as just one example. But it doesn't feel like the other two races are truly competitive in the sense that having players of similar skill level will lead to them winning about the same amount / in a similar way. | ||
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darklycid
3559 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:41 The_Red_Viper wrote: Zerg played on such a high level is more or less unbeatable i think (not on a game per game basis, more broadly), at least with the fairly conservative maps we have. Makes it difficult to really be enthusiastic about the game tbh. Ofc there are many, many more aspects to it, a playerbase which doesn't get new blood which potentially could switch things up more as just one example, but it doesn't feel like the other two races are truly competitive in the sense that having players of similar skill level will lead to zerg winning meaningfully more. Zerg always performs a lil bit worse when there's a meta shake and then it returns to them figuring it out and at this piint it feels like meta shakeups just happen way to rarely. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:41 Nakajin wrote: That's TaeJa vs the Champagne bottle all over again, when will we learn? Serral recommends the TSL-winning cake, but I don't think I can win TSL so I'll never know what it tastes like  . | ||
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youaremysin
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HeroSandro
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1161 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:38 Nakajin wrote: Seems like they should remove burrow neural at least. (Not a commentary about this serie, but in general it look kind of silly and a bit random if the terran see it or not) it is silly, but I was thinking more that burrowed movement should have a more pronounced animation so that the terran can react at least. I'm not sure if it needs to be obvious when the burrowed infestor is stationary. you could argue that widow mines are obvious when stationary and burrowed so by that rule all zerg units should be obvious when stationary also. either way... 1 neural + emp being game-ending is a problem | ||
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Beelzebub1
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On September 05 2022 03:38 atrox_ wrote: queens have been a catch all vs terran ever since that icefist (?) build in WoL. I don't think anything can be done with how good zerg is in this game outside of a GSL format tournament that allows for player exploiting Wow, the Ice Fisher build from Spanishiwa, you have thrown me down the memory rabbit hole now. I think it was alot less of an issue back then with the slower economy, you just couldn't afford that many Queens early on, the faster LOTV economy has greatly benefited Zerg I think that's a pretty popular and reasonable consensus. But, it's alot easier to nerf the Queen lol, like I said one Transfuse nerf and now ZvP looks pretty good now, the balance team should consider it I think. Btw what in God's name is going on with the aesthetics for this tournament? This is actually embarrassing to witness, FearDragon is probably going to go kick his own ass right after the camera go off. A balloon animal trophey? A Cake? Cheap plastic curtains from some random party rental place? Jesus Christ :/ | ||
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