EPT[TSL9] - Week 3 - Page 24
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Athenau
570 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:42 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Serral recommends the TSL-winning cake, but I don't think I can win TSL so I'll never know what it tastes like  .Hey you gotta beleive in yourself! Go practice those DT rushes! | ||
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Lazzarus
Faroe Islands114 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:43 Nakajin wrote: Hey you gotta beleive in yourself! Go practice those DT rushes! Am I the new Protoss hope? (No.) | ||
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tigera6
3450 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:42 youaremysin wrote: Maybe ghost are rushed too quickly, seems like Zergs can make the decision to just flood with ling banes since ghost aren't that great in def against them. But hard to make the right call 10-12 Ghost seems about okay, they are to deal with Viper, has good damage against Ling and also can snipe unit on the retreat. The problem in this game was the loss of Factory units Tanks/Mines/Hellbat and Maru cant re-produce them fast enough vs the re-max of Zerg. The moment those units are not on the map, Zerg can just do whatever they want. Thats why I am thinking about Maru switching to Mech style in the future. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3126 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:42 darklycid wrote: Zerg always performs a lil bit worse when there's a meta shake and then it returns to them figuring it out and at this piint it feels like meta shakeups just happen way to rarely. It's difficult to truly have a meta shakeup without patches or significant map changes. It just seems zerg is fundamentally the best race if one wants to win with 'solid' gameplay. Now it's not impossible that serral is also actually more skilled (whatever that means in detail), a stale playerbase allows that fairly easily, but it still at least feels bad to watch, and considering that there are players like reynor and dark and rogue who also showcase similar dominance from time to time at least, i'd say that even if that is true, zerg is probably still better anyway. We need actual creatvive map choices to gain variety i think, but it's probably not gonna happen either. On September 05 2022 03:46 Captain Peabody wrote: eh this is not the moment to be balance-whining I think, Serral just played really well Ofc he did, but it seems that it might just be 'easier' to "play really well" (well enough to win in dominant fashion) as a zerg player. That is the feeling one gets when watching high level starcraft. Serral can be the best player in the world for that to be true still, it doesn't have to be one or the other. Let's just say i doubt he'd be the serral we know (with as many successful runs, in the dominant style) if he played another race. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:42 darklycid wrote: Zerg always performs a lil bit worse when there's a meta shake and then it returns to them figuring it out and at this piint it feels like meta shakeups just happen way to rarely. Has there really been a meta shake? I feel like the game hasn’t changed much in the past few years at the highest level. At least not in TvZ. It’s amazing how both Serral and Reynor were struggling at the highest level but Serral managed to shrug it all off like it was nothing. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:36 angry_maia wrote: hard to deny that Serral is the current best player in the world. Idgaf about "goat" or "most accomplished." I rather mean that right now Serral would be a significant favorite against anyone in a bo7. Not again Rogue in BO7 so far. But currently yes. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:41 The_Red_Viper wrote: Zerg played on such a high level is more or less unbeatable i think (not on a game per game basis, more broadly), at least with the fairly conservative maps we have. Makes it difficult to really be enthusiastic about the game tbh. Ofc there are many, many more aspects to it, a playerbase which doesn't get new blood which potentially could switch things up more as just one example. But it doesn't feel like the other two races are truly competitive in the sense that having players of similar skill level will lead to them winning about the same amount / in a similar way. It's honestly a bit of a problem. Even when one of the top zerg lose I just feel like they are in a slump or have thrown the game (Reynor this tournament for exemple) so it dosen't "really" count and I can't really get excited for the other player. herO had me hopefull for a week or so but his shit seems to have been figured out. On the other side, the game of the "tier two" zergs have been great lately, so that's good at least. | ||
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Athenau
570 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:46 tigera6 wrote: 10-12 Ghost seems about okay, they are to deal with Viper, has good damage against Ling and also can snipe unit on the retreat. The problem in this game was the loss of Factory units Tanks/Mines/Hellbat and Maru cant re-produce them fast enough vs the re-max of Zerg. The moment those units are not on the map, Zerg can just do whatever they want. Thats why I am thinking about Maru switching to Mech style in the future. Zergs will just bust Maru every game once they figure out he's meching. They don't have to play the lategame if they don't want to. | ||
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Azhrak
Finland1198 Posts
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tigera6
3450 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:46 Captain Peabody wrote: eh this is not the moment to be balance-whining I think, Serral just played really well Well yeah, nobody denying that, but the thing is that Maru didnt play bad neither, there was no massing bane runby that taking down all the workers, no out of position that cost the entire army or something. And the skillset of Maru in TvZ is far above any other Terran at this point in time, and thats still not close to enough. Maybe if this was a Bo7 without the map advatange and winner map pick, things could be much different. But I dont see any Terran win a premiere tournament this year unless Maru get on another insane hot streak and the bracket somehow fall into his favor. Edit: This time around, the Bracket actually favor Maru A LOT but he screwed that up with the loss to Showtime. | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1215 Posts
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tigera6
3450 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:52 Athenau wrote: Zergs will just bust Maru every game once they figure out he's meching. They don't have to play the lategame if they don't want to. Then he needs to figure that one out, but I think the issue was the double Armory that delay the production of the Factory. Special said that when he play Mech in TvZ, he went for 5 Factories first to prioritize getting more units out instead of the Tech. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
Most probably he did not has good practice partner in Z as in older days. And it was getting worst day by day having Rogue going for military, Solar and DRG still in stagnant mode, and Soo not the same as pre-military service. Only Dark, the top-tier left but he was in different teamgroup and may not helping him much for preparation. | ||
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LostUsername100
96 Posts
Everything was fine, until Maru lost to Serral once more, nevermind Maru does well vs every other Zerg. | ||
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Athenau
570 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:55 tigera6 wrote: Then he needs to figure that one out, but I think the issue was the double Armory that delay the production of the Factory. Special said that when he play Mech in TvZ, he went for 5 Factories first to prioritize getting more units out instead of the Tech. We've seen this scenario play out over and over again over the years. Some new strategy promises to give T/P players the edge against Zerg (most recently Hero's stalker / oracle pressure and Maru's ghostmech), it looks strong for a month or two, then Zerg players make some adjustments and things return to the status quo. So yeah, I'm not convinced that this problem is solvable short of fundamental changes to Zerg. | ||
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Husyelt
United States837 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
On September 05 2022 03:59 LostUsername100 wrote: The amount of copium on this thread is insane. Everything was fine, until Maru lost to Serral once more, nevermind Maru does well vs every other Zerg. Well what did the other zergs do? A lot of them are prone to dying to 2 base allins / timings when they shouldn’t. On the other hand, the last game, Serral thought it was a 2 bases all-in because Maru hid his 3rd CC + had only 1 ebay at his 2nd base wall (so that Serral think it’s timing). The mind game worked because Serral stopped drones at 57 and produced lots of units while taking a late fourth base (once he confirmed there was a 3rd CC with his ling). Despite that, Maru still lost: it looked ok but once a nydus got in his main (despite being lots of turrets), he started crumbling. Other zergs such as Reynor have the mechanics to accomplish what Serral does, but Reynor isn’t as smart as Serral at understanding what’s going on / scouting properly, so he is prone at losing to timings. | ||
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