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On August 25 2022 21:40 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2022 21:38 Argonauta wrote:On August 25 2022 21:33 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:28 Fango wrote:
Anyone can lose in GSL groups. Even in 2022 the depth of high level players is such that anyone can lose in the group stages. I wouldn't say the overall level of play is the main issue. Otherwise Koreans would dominate the foreign tournaments as well and that's not really the case. It's just that GSL is, purely because of the format, a different type of tournament that requires a different set of skills. As far as I am aware, region lock for Koreans still exists. Not even sure, but there are many international tournaments that take place over 2-3 days and foreign players tend to do well there. GSL with its week long preparation just seems to favor Koreans. Which is perfectly fine, but it's not because the overall level is just that much higher nowadays.
I'd say the overall level in Korea is still quite a bit higher? Reynor/Serral have closed the gap, Clem can sometimes play at a world class level but is on average a bit worse than Bunny (with exceptional TvZ), and Gabe/Showtime sometimes make deep runs. Otherwise, Lambo/Elazer/Neeb/Astrea are good but would probably be ro20 players in GSL. Not exactly sure how TIME fits in, but he'd also be a Code S level foreigner.
Format makes a difference, but even if every foreigner had a completely smooth transition to the format only two of them would have the base skill to win Code S.
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On August 25 2022 21:43 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2022 21:38 Argonauta wrote:On August 25 2022 21:33 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:28 Fango wrote:
Anyone can lose in GSL groups. Even in 2022 the depth of high level players is such that anyone can lose in the group stages. I wouldn't say the overall level of play is the main issue. Otherwise Koreans would dominate the foreign tournaments as well and that's not really the case. It's just that GSL is, purely because of the format, a different type of tournament that requires a different set of skills. As far as I am aware, region lock for Koreans still exists. My dumb question: Can Reynor join DH SC2 Masters 2022 Atlanta: Europe later on?
Yes, because he's a foreigner. They don't have restrictions.
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On August 25 2022 21:40 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2022 21:38 Argonauta wrote:On August 25 2022 21:33 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:28 Fango wrote:
Anyone can lose in GSL groups. Even in 2022 the depth of high level players is such that anyone can lose in the group stages. I wouldn't say the overall level of play is the main issue. Otherwise Koreans would dominate the foreign tournaments as well and that's not really the case. It's just that GSL is, purely because of the format, a different type of tournament that requires a different set of skills. As far as I am aware, region lock for Koreans still exists. Not even sure, but there are many international tournaments that take place over 2-3 days and foreign players tend to do well there even if Koreans participate. GSL with its week long preparation just seems to favor Koreans. Which is perfectly fine, but it's not because the overall level is just that much higher nowadays.
I wouldn't interpret that much into this one elimination from Reynor. This time he lost but it's not like he had no chance to advance and if tries another time I could see him easily advancing. The average level of korea is just that high that almost everyone can beat everyone
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France13014 Posts
I have the feeling Dream is gonna be rematch cursed, poor him
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No Hydras or Mutas. Is he rushing Ultras?
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Time to go back to CC first into 2 base all in, I guess
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On August 25 2022 21:40 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2022 21:38 Argonauta wrote:On August 25 2022 21:33 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:28 Fango wrote:
Anyone can lose in GSL groups. Even in 2022 the depth of high level players is such that anyone can lose in the group stages. I wouldn't say the overall level of play is the main issue. Otherwise Koreans would dominate the foreign tournaments as well and that's not really the case. It's just that GSL is, purely because of the format, a different type of tournament that requires a different set of skills. As far as I am aware, region lock for Koreans still exists. Not even sure, but there are many international tournaments that take place over 2-3 days and foreign players tend to do well there even if Koreans participate. GSL with its week long preparation just seems to favor Koreans. Which is perfectly fine, but it's not because the overall level is just that much higher nowadays.
I wouldn t even say, it favours Koreans, but players who a used to the format, wich are mostly Koreans.
Special for example excells at preperation based tournaments as well, even though he isn t Korean.
He was just in GSL so long,m that he is more used to preparing.
On the other side Reynor didn t prepare at all but relied simply on his (ridculous high) baseline skill level.
But that is clearly not enough, when your opponents have prepared specifically for playing you.
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France13014 Posts
And that's why you 2 base all-in, hopefully Dream gets back to using winning builds
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Honestly I'd have gone CC first after being scouted lmao
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On August 25 2022 21:43 dysenterymd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2022 21:40 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:38 Argonauta wrote:On August 25 2022 21:33 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:28 Fango wrote:
Anyone can lose in GSL groups. Even in 2022 the depth of high level players is such that anyone can lose in the group stages. I wouldn't say the overall level of play is the main issue. Otherwise Koreans would dominate the foreign tournaments as well and that's not really the case. It's just that GSL is, purely because of the format, a different type of tournament that requires a different set of skills. As far as I am aware, region lock for Koreans still exists. Not even sure, but there are many international tournaments that take place over 2-3 days and foreign players tend to do well there. GSL with its week long preparation just seems to favor Koreans. Which is perfectly fine, but it's not because the overall level is just that much higher nowadays. I'd say the overall level in Korea is still quite a bit higher? Reynor/Serral have closed the gap, Clem can sometimes play at a world class level but is on average a bit worse than Bunny (with exceptional TvZ), and Gabe/Showtime sometimes make deep runs. Otherwise, Lambo/Elazer/Neeb/Astrea are good but would probably be ro20 players in GSL. Not exactly sure how TIME fits in, but he'd also be a Code S level foreigner. Format makes a difference, but even if every foreigner had a completely smooth transition to the format only two of them would have the base skill to win Code S.
Mr Neeb's record in Korean tournaments clearly indicative of his ro20 calibre
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Wouldn't mines be better than tanks vs DRG? I don't think he goes roaches in ZvT
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On August 25 2022 21:48 sudete wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2022 21:43 dysenterymd wrote:On August 25 2022 21:40 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:38 Argonauta wrote:On August 25 2022 21:33 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:28 Fango wrote:
Anyone can lose in GSL groups. Even in 2022 the depth of high level players is such that anyone can lose in the group stages. I wouldn't say the overall level of play is the main issue. Otherwise Koreans would dominate the foreign tournaments as well and that's not really the case. It's just that GSL is, purely because of the format, a different type of tournament that requires a different set of skills. As far as I am aware, region lock for Koreans still exists. Not even sure, but there are many international tournaments that take place over 2-3 days and foreign players tend to do well there. GSL with its week long preparation just seems to favor Koreans. Which is perfectly fine, but it's not because the overall level is just that much higher nowadays. I'd say the overall level in Korea is still quite a bit higher? Reynor/Serral have closed the gap, Clem can sometimes play at a world class level but is on average a bit worse than Bunny (with exceptional TvZ), and Gabe/Showtime sometimes make deep runs. Otherwise, Lambo/Elazer/Neeb/Astrea are good but would probably be ro20 players in GSL. Not exactly sure how TIME fits in, but he'd also be a Code S level foreigner. Format makes a difference, but even if every foreigner had a completely smooth transition to the format only two of them would have the base skill to win Code S. Mr Neeb's record in Korean tournaments clearly indicative of his ro20 calibre
True haha, I was more going off of current form but yeah, I think he could go deeper.
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On August 25 2022 21:48 sudete wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2022 21:43 dysenterymd wrote:On August 25 2022 21:40 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:38 Argonauta wrote:On August 25 2022 21:33 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:28 Fango wrote:
Anyone can lose in GSL groups. Even in 2022 the depth of high level players is such that anyone can lose in the group stages. I wouldn't say the overall level of play is the main issue. Otherwise Koreans would dominate the foreign tournaments as well and that's not really the case. It's just that GSL is, purely because of the format, a different type of tournament that requires a different set of skills. As far as I am aware, region lock for Koreans still exists. Not even sure, but there are many international tournaments that take place over 2-3 days and foreign players tend to do well there. GSL with its week long preparation just seems to favor Koreans. Which is perfectly fine, but it's not because the overall level is just that much higher nowadays. I'd say the overall level in Korea is still quite a bit higher? Reynor/Serral have closed the gap, Clem can sometimes play at a world class level but is on average a bit worse than Bunny (with exceptional TvZ), and Gabe/Showtime sometimes make deep runs. Otherwise, Lambo/Elazer/Neeb/Astrea are good but would probably be ro20 players in GSL. Not exactly sure how TIME fits in, but he'd also be a Code S level foreigner. Format makes a difference, but even if every foreigner had a completely smooth transition to the format only two of them would have the base skill to win Code S. Mr Neeb's record in Korean tournaments clearly indicative of his ro20 calibre
That was another time, when he was still fulltime and in good form
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That didn't work nearly as well as game 1 
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On August 25 2022 21:49 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2022 21:48 sudete wrote:On August 25 2022 21:43 dysenterymd wrote:On August 25 2022 21:40 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:38 Argonauta wrote:On August 25 2022 21:33 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:28 Fango wrote:
Anyone can lose in GSL groups. Even in 2022 the depth of high level players is such that anyone can lose in the group stages. I wouldn't say the overall level of play is the main issue. Otherwise Koreans would dominate the foreign tournaments as well and that's not really the case. It's just that GSL is, purely because of the format, a different type of tournament that requires a different set of skills. As far as I am aware, region lock for Koreans still exists. Not even sure, but there are many international tournaments that take place over 2-3 days and foreign players tend to do well there. GSL with its week long preparation just seems to favor Koreans. Which is perfectly fine, but it's not because the overall level is just that much higher nowadays. I'd say the overall level in Korea is still quite a bit higher? Reynor/Serral have closed the gap, Clem can sometimes play at a world class level but is on average a bit worse than Bunny (with exceptional TvZ), and Gabe/Showtime sometimes make deep runs. Otherwise, Lambo/Elazer/Neeb/Astrea are good but would probably be ro20 players in GSL. Not exactly sure how TIME fits in, but he'd also be a Code S level foreigner. Format makes a difference, but even if every foreigner had a completely smooth transition to the format only two of them would have the base skill to win Code S. Mr Neeb's record in Korean tournaments clearly indicative of his ro20 calibre That was another time, when he was still fulltime and in good form
And when Adepts were laughably OP.
Seriously, Neeb has never been the player he was after Adepts got nerfed. With OP Adepts he was a world class champion caliber player. Afterward? He's a fringe playoff player at best.
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On August 25 2022 22:01 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2022 21:49 Charoisaur wrote:On August 25 2022 21:48 sudete wrote:On August 25 2022 21:43 dysenterymd wrote:On August 25 2022 21:40 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:38 Argonauta wrote:On August 25 2022 21:33 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:28 Fango wrote:
Anyone can lose in GSL groups. Even in 2022 the depth of high level players is such that anyone can lose in the group stages. I wouldn't say the overall level of play is the main issue. Otherwise Koreans would dominate the foreign tournaments as well and that's not really the case. It's just that GSL is, purely because of the format, a different type of tournament that requires a different set of skills. As far as I am aware, region lock for Koreans still exists. Not even sure, but there are many international tournaments that take place over 2-3 days and foreign players tend to do well there. GSL with its week long preparation just seems to favor Koreans. Which is perfectly fine, but it's not because the overall level is just that much higher nowadays. I'd say the overall level in Korea is still quite a bit higher? Reynor/Serral have closed the gap, Clem can sometimes play at a world class level but is on average a bit worse than Bunny (with exceptional TvZ), and Gabe/Showtime sometimes make deep runs. Otherwise, Lambo/Elazer/Neeb/Astrea are good but would probably be ro20 players in GSL. Not exactly sure how TIME fits in, but he'd also be a Code S level foreigner. Format makes a difference, but even if every foreigner had a completely smooth transition to the format only two of them would have the base skill to win Code S. Mr Neeb's record in Korean tournaments clearly indicative of his ro20 calibre That was another time, when he was still fulltime and in good form And when Adepts were laughably OP. Seriously, Neeb has never been the player he was after Adepts got nerfed. With OP Adepts he was a world class champion caliber player. Afterward? He's a fringe playoff player at best.
Neeb's Ro4 happened in 2018, definitely after the main adept nerfs. Only nerf that happened since then is the gateway (not warp gate) build time.
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Canada8990 Posts
Good guy DRG saving us from 30 minutes of ultra late game by killing himself extra-fast
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On August 25 2022 22:01 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2022 21:49 Charoisaur wrote:On August 25 2022 21:48 sudete wrote:On August 25 2022 21:43 dysenterymd wrote:On August 25 2022 21:40 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:38 Argonauta wrote:On August 25 2022 21:33 Swisslink wrote:On August 25 2022 21:28 Fango wrote:
Anyone can lose in GSL groups. Even in 2022 the depth of high level players is such that anyone can lose in the group stages. I wouldn't say the overall level of play is the main issue. Otherwise Koreans would dominate the foreign tournaments as well and that's not really the case. It's just that GSL is, purely because of the format, a different type of tournament that requires a different set of skills. As far as I am aware, region lock for Koreans still exists. Not even sure, but there are many international tournaments that take place over 2-3 days and foreign players tend to do well there. GSL with its week long preparation just seems to favor Koreans. Which is perfectly fine, but it's not because the overall level is just that much higher nowadays. I'd say the overall level in Korea is still quite a bit higher? Reynor/Serral have closed the gap, Clem can sometimes play at a world class level but is on average a bit worse than Bunny (with exceptional TvZ), and Gabe/Showtime sometimes make deep runs. Otherwise, Lambo/Elazer/Neeb/Astrea are good but would probably be ro20 players in GSL. Not exactly sure how TIME fits in, but he'd also be a Code S level foreigner. Format makes a difference, but even if every foreigner had a completely smooth transition to the format only two of them would have the base skill to win Code S. Mr Neeb's record in Korean tournaments clearly indicative of his ro20 calibre That was another time, when he was still fulltime and in good form And when Adepts were laughably OP. Seriously, Neeb has never been the player he was after Adepts got nerfed. With OP Adepts he was a world class champion caliber player. Afterward? He's a fringe playoff player at best.
tbf Protoss in general was just pretty bad from like 2019 to the last patch. Now he seems to do better again
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"Can't have a lategame snoozefest if I kill myself in 10 minutes" - DRG
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On August 25 2022 21:28 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2022 21:25 Schelim wrote:On August 25 2022 21:24 Poopi wrote:
Even with Stats, TY, Zest, INno... gone, world champions can bomb out in group stage... Welcome to Code S, Reynor! i mean yeah, I kinda expected this. Reynor is not used to the GSL, the format, the country, the food, his new living situation... and these players in this group are not exactly slouches Well at least he travelled super early, contrary to KR players for Katowice and stuff. Still funny result
Funny how?
the dude atleast tried and he was very close to advance, while you're writing "welcome to code s reynor"
it's pathethic how the korean elitist are shitting on Reynor now, GSL's youtube chat is just pure cancer
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EPT
