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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
and DRG vs herO has been pretty fun before | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On July 18 2022 18:44 Durnuu wrote: I don't really agree with Tastosis there, yeah it didn't look great for Bunny but reducing the marine count for Maru by that much with his fast stim really wasn't that bad. Only thing that's a shame is that he lost the medivac. Now that last push on the other hand  | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
E: oh maru has a 3rd CC as well, nvm | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On July 18 2022 18:52 buzz_bender wrote: What is this new build from Maru?? I have never seen it before. New? This is old. Very old. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
Well, I didn't watch it from the very beginning... so, this is new to me... Ghosts and nuke in TvT?? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On July 18 2022 18:58 buzz_bender wrote: Well, I didn't watch it from the very beginning... so, this is new to me... Ghosts and nuke in TvT?? Super old. Marine/Tank into Ghosts with Nuke late game for positioning. Standard in around 2011. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On July 18 2022 19:06 swarminfestor wrote: I still think that a Ghost to EMP ravens & medievac is good idea. Maybe Maru should mix up more ravens and vikings with several ghosts production? Yeah I don't think ghosts are a bad idea, but this probably wasn't the right timing to get them out. | ||
Poopi
France12886 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On July 18 2022 19:17 Charoisaur wrote: Is he trying to dodge Dark in the ro4? I think Bunny plays herO no matter what because they were in different groups, so that wouldn't work. Only way to dodge Dark is to get eliminated completely | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On July 18 2022 19:19 Durnuu wrote: I think Bunny plays herO no matter what because they were in different groups, so that wouldn't work. Only way to dodge Dark is to get eliminated completely maybe Maru doesn't know | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
He forgot his buildings could fly for a draw vs Scarlett so I wouldn't be surprised. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
On July 18 2022 19:19 Durnuu wrote: I think Bunny plays herO no matter what because they were in different groups, so that wouldn't work. Only way to dodge Dark is to get eliminated completely What if Mary and DRG qualify? who plays dark then? | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On July 18 2022 19:49 M2 wrote: What if Mary and DRG qualify? who plays dark then? Maru does because he advances first in that scenario. That's what Artosis said, anyway. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33394 Posts
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tigera6
3397 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On July 18 2022 19:49 M2 wrote: What if Mary and DRG qualify? who plays dark then? Maru and Bunny both have a fixed opponent, since they're the top seeds for the ro6 and they can't play someone who was in their ro10 group | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On July 18 2022 19:58 Schelim wrote: i think Maru will lose to DRG tbh Yeah he is not playing at his usual level atm | ||
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tigera6
3397 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On July 18 2022 19:59 tigera6 wrote: Maru always have problem playing against former teammates, its like he believe they know his style so he has to come up with weird shit to throw their balances off. Instead he threw the games away like nothing. Yeah, but he has beaten Bunny before many times with his usual builds. Not sure why he feels like he has to do what he did... | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On July 18 2022 19:58 Schelim wrote: i think Maru will lose to DRG tbh He still has chance against Ragnarok. Let believe in Ragnarok. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On July 18 2022 20:08 Argonauta wrote: Those troll builds by Maru lol cant believe it Exactly...honestly... I don't know what he's thinking... | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On July 18 2022 20:24 swarminfestor wrote: When the last time DRG win Code S? I think it gonna be the longest span if he did in this season. by far lol, no one else would even be close unless like FruitDealer comes back lmao | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 18 2022 20:26 Die4Ever wrote: by far lol, no one else would even be close unless like FruitDealer comes back lmao or Nesta or MC i suppose? MVP's last victory must have been later | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
Maru played weird vs Bunny because he wanted Dark in the Semis instead of the Finals. Beating Zerg in this map pool in a Bo7 is a taller order than winning in 5, and he's guaranteed to face not a Zerg in the final provided of course he wins the next 2 TvZs. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On July 18 2022 20:41 Vindicare605 wrote: This might sound like a conspiracy theory but hear me out. Maru played weird vs Bunny because he wanted Dark in the Semis instead of the Finals. Beating Zerg in this map pool in a Bo7 is a taller order than winning in 5, and he's guaranteed to face not a Zerg in the final. he runs the risk of having to beat DRG in TvZ though, which is a pretty tall order in and of itself. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On July 18 2022 20:41 Schelim wrote: he runs the risk of having to beat DRG in TvZ though, which is a pretty tall order in and of itself. Beating DRG in 5 is easier than beating Dark in 7. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On July 18 2022 20:39 Schelim wrote: or Nesta or MC i suppose? MVP's last victory must have been later yea there's a few people, but they're all in retirement for a long time already | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On July 18 2022 20:41 Vindicare605 wrote: This might sound like a conspiracy theory but hear me out. Maru played weird vs Bunny because he wanted Dark in the Semis instead of the Finals. Beating Zerg in this map pool in a Bo7 is a taller order than winning in 5, and he's guaranteed to face not a Zerg in the final provided of course he wins the next 2 TvZs. Maru would've played Dark even if he won vs Bunny. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On July 18 2022 20:41 Vindicare605 wrote: This might sound like a conspiracy theory but hear me out. Maru played weird vs Bunny because he wanted Dark in the Semis instead of the Finals. Beating Zerg in this map pool in a Bo7 is a taller order than winning in 5, and he's guaranteed to face not a Zerg in the final provided of course he wins the next 2 TvZs. I don't think it's that deep, he probably just wanted some fun and was confident he'd advance anyway vs Ragnarok/DRG | ||
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tigera6
3397 Posts
On July 18 2022 20:41 Vindicare605 wrote: This might sound like a conspiracy theory but hear me out. Maru played weird vs Bunny because he wanted Dark in the Semis instead of the Finals. Beating Zerg in this map pool in a Bo7 is a taller order than winning in 5, and he's guaranteed to face not a Zerg in the final provided of course he wins the next 2 TvZs. Maru play Dark if he advance no matter what happen vs Bunny. But I do feel its strange that the ones who beat Maru more often in 2022 are his former teammates. He lost to them in as many matches as he lost to Dark-Serral combined. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On July 18 2022 20:44 Charoisaur wrote: I don't think it's that deep, he probably just wanted some fun and was confident he'd advance anyway vs Ragnarok/DRG that sounds like a terrible idea, now he has to show off some TvZ only a few days before playing Dark | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On July 18 2022 20:56 Die4Ever wrote: that sounds like a terrible idea, now he has to show off some TvZ only a few days before playing Dark Well I don't think he would have chosen the strats he did if it was a series he absolutely wanted to win | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On July 18 2022 21:04 Charoisaur wrote: Well I don't think he would have chosen the strats he did if it was a series he absolutely wanted to win yea idk very confusing | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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darklycid
3511 Posts
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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tigera6
3397 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On July 19 2022 00:05 tigera6 wrote: and also now Dark wont be doing the early double evol build against Maru anymore after seeing this. Maru wouldn't 2-base all-in Dark 3 games in a row (and get away with it) so I don't think this changed Dark's approach. Regarding the ghosts, I think it's probably something Maru found worked well in practice but didn't here. Although there really wasn't a reason for him to do that. Since he's the top of the world in TvT it should be on others to experiment and iterate to get one over on him, not the other way around. Although, coming back to his Ro4 opponent, being the best in the world at a matchup has never stopped Dark from putting himself behind with terrible roach strategies. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
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tigera6
3397 Posts
On July 19 2022 00:50 Elentos wrote: Maru wouldn't 2-base all-in Dark 3 games in a row (and get away with it) so I don't think this changed Dark's approach. Regarding the ghosts, I think it's probably something Maru found worked well in practice but didn't here. Although there really wasn't a reason for him to do that. Since he's the top of the world in TvT it should be on others to experiment and iterate to get one over on him, not the other way around. Although, coming back to his Ro4 opponent, being the best in the world at a matchup has never stopped Dark from putting himself behind with terrible roach strategies. I think the gap in TvT between Maru and the rest of Terran has been narrowed down, mainly the Viking/Raven lategame army composition. I have seen Dream, HM, Cure and Bunny played straight up against Maru with that and Maru barely came out on top at the end of the game. Maybe he want to come up with something that give him a better early and mid game that he can win rather than going through the grinding of lategame TvT every single time. And I have seen Maru demolished Dark with 2-base all-in in Valencia (game 6) when Dark did that double evol build. HM also beat Reynor and Serral with 2 base push a couple times when the Zerg doing greedy/early tech stuff. Terran can and must punish Zerg for the late Baneling Nest and bane speed upgrade, and that will forces Zerg to stop it and goes with a safer opening. | ||
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Slydie
1920 Posts
On July 19 2022 01:43 tigera6 wrote: I think the gap in TvT between Maru and the rest of Terran has been narrowed down, mainly the Viking/Raven lategame army composition. I have seen Dream, HM, Cure and Bunny played straight up against Maru with that and Maru barely came out on top at the end of the game. Maybe he want to come up with something that give him a better early and mid game that he can win rather than going through the grinding of lategame TvT every single time. And I have seen Maru demolished Dark with 2-base all-in in Valencia (game 6) when Dark did that double evol build. HM also beat Reynor and Serral with 2 base push a couple times when the Zerg doing greedy/early tech stuff. Terran can and must punish Zerg for the late Baneling Nest and bane speed upgrade, and that will forces Zerg to stop it and goes with a safer opening. Wouldn't it be possible for zerg to scout no 3rd CC and take precautions, even planning to go greedy initially? Of course Maru's control during the pushes played a huge part too, some of those splits+baneling targetfire micro was godly! | ||
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Lokol18
51 Posts
Regarding the ghosts, I think it's probably something Maru found worked well in practice but didn't here. Although there really wasn't a reason for him to do that. Since he's the top of the world in TvT it should be on others to experiment and iterate to get one over on him, not the other way around. Although, coming back to his Ro4 opponent, being the best in the world at a matchup has never stopped Dark from putting himself behind with terrible roach strategies. Who knows, maybe maru thinks TY will return to the game in not too long a time and is trying to shift the meta again to stay ahead of him | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On July 19 2022 02:44 RKC wrote: Did DRG v Ragnarok even happen??? I don't think I saw any post about the match lol... What's to talk about? Ragnarok got rolled like he always does and the whole match took about as long as one of the Maru vs Bunny games. | ||
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tigera6
3397 Posts
On July 19 2022 02:44 RKC wrote: Did DRG v Ragnarok even happen??? I don't think I saw any post about the match lol... Recent ZvZ has been about 1 "random" Roach push, either you break and win, or you get defended, fell behind and die minutes later to the counter roach push. | ||
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tigera6
3397 Posts
On July 19 2022 02:28 Slydie wrote: Wouldn't it be possible for zerg to scout no 3rd CC and take precautions, even planning to go greedy initially? Of course Maru's control during the pushes played a huge part too, some of those splits+baneling targetfire micro was godly! I think its hard to scout the Terran main with the Viking out, and Zerg rarely research Overlord speed nowadays, so they dont know the exact timing of the 3rd CC and can only play preemptively rather than play reactively. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On July 19 2022 15:53 tigera6 wrote: I think its hard to scout the Terran main with the Viking out, and Zerg rarely research Overlord speed nowadays, so they dont know the exact timing of the 3rd CC and can only play preemptively rather than play reactively. The viking itself is a tell that the Terran is hiding something and you need to investigate. In general it's not that hard to scout. There's no 3rd CC, there's extra production and more units, and the Terran is likely to be more conservative with the hellions to still have them for the all-in. These builds exclusively punish players who cut too many corners. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6931 Posts
On July 19 2022 00:50 Elentos wrote: Maru wouldn't 2-base all-in Dark 3 games in a row (and get away with it) so I don't think this changed Dark's approach. Regarding the ghosts, I think it's probably something Maru found worked well in practice but didn't here. Although there really wasn't a reason for him to do that. Since he's the top of the world in TvT it should be on others to experiment and iterate to get one over on him, not the other way around. Although, coming back to his Ro4 opponent, being the best in the world at a matchup has never stopped Dark from putting himself behind with terrible roach strategies. In my mind Maru is always the second best TvT player ^^' I mean since Inno and TY are gone he should be the best, but somehow I never have this feeling that his TvT is up there with his other matchups | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On July 19 2022 21:24 Harris1st wrote: In my mind Maru is always the second best TvT player ^^' I mean since Inno and TY are gone he should be the best, but somehow I never have this feeling that his TvT is up there with his other matchups Maru's TvT is probably his weakest matchup while it's TY's strongest by a huge margin. And at the end of the day they were pretty much even in h2h. I don't think anyone believes if Maru played standard he would lose to Bunny, but the mass raven/ghost transitions look like something he was genuinely trying to make work. It might help to have him play differently even if it doesn't work out anyway. You can't really improve by winning every match for like two years, you have to either face better people or handicap yourself. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On July 19 2022 15:50 tigera6 wrote: Recent ZvZ has been about 1 "random" Roach push, either you break and win, or you get defended, fell behind and die minutes later to the counter roach push. Yes, I kinda figured. Too bad that we are stuck with lots of ZvZ at the highest level these days... | ||
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