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Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-27 11:27:19
February 27 2022 11:26 GMT
#121
I am cheering for Serral. He looked like a monster so far and him winning Katowice could turn into an interesting argument for the endless goat discussion. Entertainment for the next 2 years guaranteed
~~~~~
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12761 Posts
February 27 2022 11:26 GMT
#122
On February 27 2022 20:19 Durnuu wrote:
Glad to see the patchzergs still going strong 5 years after the baneling buff

Don’t think it’s patch, these top zergs are just built different
WriterMaru
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9362 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-27 11:28:27
February 27 2022 11:27 GMT
#123
On February 27 2022 20:23 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2022 20:15 tigera6 wrote:
On February 27 2022 20:14 Hider wrote:
I think this was the first game we saw so far of Katowice where Heromarine didn't play to his strengths. Heromarine is not a good mech-player and his initial BC fared embarrassingly bad. 1 kill really? After that it was effectively gg.

I thought HM was about to break Reynor if he warped that BC on top of the Queen on the 3rd, Reynor only had like 3-4 Queens with low energy, and HM still got some Marines and a couple of Helion.


Rewatching that sequence, I think Heromarine thought the same thing we thought at the time. "Ah weak queens i can do a lot of damage with my marines + medivacs" there. But the issue is that the queens on creep (+ one additional queen supported them) can kite the BC's.

In hindsight he should have teleported to the main and he could have assisted back and forth with his marine-medivacs (between the 3rd and main Reynor had a very low drone-count and its very plausbile could have killed like 10 drones with the BC + marines bringing him into a favorable position.

That said, I still think he would have lost the game regardless. Going mech was simply not the correct decision, but appeared like desperation through the following logic:

1. "I can't win in bio-macro games".
2. I can't win with all-ins anymore.

--> Hence I need to mech.


Even after he teleported to the 3rd, I have no idea why he didn't move the BC towards the right side edge between the main and the 3rd. He lost like half the HP retreating back across creep. To me it indicates that HM is not that practiced playing BC opener. And against Reynor you are not gonna win when you play a style you are relatively worse at.
sim999999
Profile Joined December 2021
23 Posts
February 27 2022 11:30 GMT
#124
I mean its a good thing that there is katowice and the price pool is really great for a 10 years old game with this low viewer count. Sub 20K viewer I wonder how is this even possible
sim999999
Profile Joined December 2021
23 Posts
February 27 2022 11:31 GMT
#125
also z v z is mostly coin flip anyone can win between rogue, reynor and serral
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
February 27 2022 11:32 GMT
#126
On February 27 2022 20:26 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2022 20:19 Durnuu wrote:
Glad to see the patchzergs still going strong 5 years after the baneling buff

Don’t think it’s patch, these top zergs are just built different

Sure, the same way 2010 Terrans were simply better
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Archerylady
Profile Joined January 2011
277 Posts
February 27 2022 11:33 GMT
#127
On February 27 2022 20:30 sim999999 wrote:
I mean its a good thing that there is katowice and the price pool is really great for a 10 years old game with this low viewer count. Sub 20K viewer I wonder how is this even possible


I remember viewer counts near 100K 2-3 years ago. Quite a sharp decline.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
February 27 2022 11:33 GMT
#128
On February 27 2022 20:31 sim999999 wrote:
also z v z is mostly coin flip anyone can win between rogue, reynor and serral


It's pure skill, like what Oz said about PvP years ago
Year of MaxPax
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8988 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-27 11:39:43
February 27 2022 11:37 GMT
#129
On February 27 2022 20:33 Archerylady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2022 20:30 sim999999 wrote:
I mean its a good thing that there is katowice and the price pool is really great for a 10 years old game with this low viewer count. Sub 20K viewer I wonder how is this even possible


I remember viewer counts near 100K 2-3 years ago. Quite a sharp decline.


I don't honestly, unless we were piggy backing of Blizzcon or Katowice other esport streams.

But yeah we lost a good 10k average in the last 2 years. The money vs viewers number is actually insane though, good for us
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
sim999999
Profile Joined December 2021
23 Posts
February 27 2022 11:41 GMT
#130
But yeah we lost a good 10k average in the last 2 years. The money vs viewers number is actually jnsane though


It is actually insane how it is financially possible I dont know. Thanks Appollo :d I would not be surprised if tomorrow ESL be like well sc2 has a good run but now it's the end
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-27 11:44:14
February 27 2022 11:42 GMT
#131
blizzard pays the prize pools, they do have sponsors (coinbase and norton), we broke 40k total easily yesterday and the VODs get a lot of views. Dont think its that bad for esl
~~~~~
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
February 27 2022 11:43 GMT
#132
On February 27 2022 20:41 sim999999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
But yeah we lost a good 10k average in the last 2 years. The money vs viewers number is actually jnsane though


It is actually insane how it is financially possible I dont know. Thanks Appollo :d I would not be surprised if tomorrow ESL be like well sc2 has a good run but now it's the end

I wouldn't be surprised if prize pools decrease for SC2 in the future but I doubt we're seeing the death of SC2 just yet.
wat
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
February 27 2022 11:45 GMT
#133
On February 27 2022 20:37 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2022 20:33 Archerylady wrote:
On February 27 2022 20:30 sim999999 wrote:
I mean its a good thing that there is katowice and the price pool is really great for a 10 years old game with this low viewer count. Sub 20K viewer I wonder how is this even possible


I remember viewer counts near 100K 2-3 years ago. Quite a sharp decline.


I don't honestly, unless we were piggy backing of Blizzcon or Katowice other esport streams.

But yeah we lost a good 10k average in the last 2 years. The money vs viewers number is actually insane though, good for us

To be fair the game is in stagnation if not decline, for the past 2 years, so it was to be expected.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3377 Posts
February 27 2022 11:45 GMT
#134
On February 27 2022 20:41 sim999999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
But yeah we lost a good 10k average in the last 2 years. The money vs viewers number is actually jnsane though


It is actually insane how it is financially possible I dont know. Thanks Appollo :d I would not be surprised if tomorrow ESL be like well sc2 has a good run but now it's the end

I mean current meta + e.g. NA viewer Magnets not performing well + in case if this finals somewhat of a bad time slot, I'm also more often than not losing a bit of interest in tournaments (also many players retired that probably took a fan base sort of with them).
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8988 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-27 11:48:43
February 27 2022 11:45 GMT
#135
On February 27 2022 20:41 sim999999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
But yeah we lost a good 10k average in the last 2 years. The money vs viewers number is actually jnsane though


It is actually insane how it is financially possible I dont know. Thanks Appollo :d I would not be surprised if tomorrow ESL be like well sc2 has a good run but now it's the end


We're still guarantee for next year, after that... we'll see

Edit: I would still take fewer viewers, than the non-stop"Dead game"/ here's my 20 page essay on how to save Starcraft of the mid-2010 in an heartbeat
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
February 27 2022 11:47 GMT
#136
I love that PiG is so unbiased compared to the other casters - at least so far.
Not that I blame the other casters since they seem to be friends with most of the European players.
wat
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16836 Posts
February 27 2022 11:49 GMT
#137
cmon rogue kill em all
The Bomber boy
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
February 27 2022 11:50 GMT
#138
That defense was so clutch from Serral.
wat
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
February 27 2022 11:51 GMT
#139
I feel crazy for saying this but I enjoy the roach fest so much more than lurkér viper camping lol
~~~~~
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
February 27 2022 11:54 GMT
#140
On February 27 2022 20:51 Andi_Goldberger wrote:
I feel crazy for saying this but I enjoy the roach fest so much more than lurkér viper camping lol

5 games of Viper/Lurker would definitely be frustrating but I don't mind if we get 1 or 2 of those games.
wat
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