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digmouse
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Evilmj
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tigera6
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TL > FR KZ > TL KZ > AX DPG > KZ SR > DPG (thanks to the strength of ZvP and ZvZ from SR) NV > SR | ||
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swarminfestor
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dbRic1203
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Between them and AX it s a toss up but either of them is going to be stopped by DPG DPG vs SR is going to be close, but I go with the boring prediction here, DPG wins just to get destroyed by Maru and his friends in the final | ||
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SCBOY.TOSSBOY
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On January 21 2022 05:54 dbRic1203 wrote: TL going to win bothmatches on day 1 Between them and AX it s a toss up but either of them is going to be stopped by DPG DPG vs SR is going to be close, but I go with the boring prediction here, DPG wins just to get destroyed by Maru and his friends in the final I don't really see how TL can step over KZG. Time and Solar > Harstem, Mana/uthermal. Clem has better chance against Solar, but it's unlikely he can make a 2-0 with TVT. Time is really good at TVT | ||
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deacon.frost
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tigera6
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deacon.frost
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On January 21 2022 19:06 tigera6 wrote: aLive? really? aLive fighting! | ||
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Nakajin
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tigera6
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Poopi
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Still got to watch Clem vs Armani, he is on fire! Ready to win underdogs as well | ||
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tigera6
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swarminfestor
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Nakajin
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On January 21 2022 21:49 tigera6 wrote: Trap looks so weak that I thought Armani would give the Freecs a better chance to upset Clem today. Clem won't be ready for og LOTV tvt master aLive | ||
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darklycid
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 21 2022 22:07 darklycid wrote: i hope trap brings a better form to IEM. Doubt that. | ||
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
Still, Trap is in poor form, thankfully Zest will go to Katowice and maybe make yet another finals appearance. He is the true best protoss atm now that Trap is slumping | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On January 21 2022 22:07 darklycid wrote: i hope trap brings a better form to IEM. Not sure if he can pass his group bracket. Not just his PvZ looks rusty recently, but also his PvP and PvT as well. | ||
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digmouse
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Circumstance
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Pandain
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MarianoSC2
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tigera6
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dbRic1203
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On January 21 2022 11:17 SCBOY.TOSSBOY wrote: I don't really see how TL can step over KZG. Time and Solar > Harstem, Mana/uthermal. Clem has better chance against Solar, but it's unlikely he can make a 2-0 with TVT. Time is really good at TVT Yeah about that  | ||
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tigera6
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Well, he did assume that it was Time vs Clem, in fact I thought Kaizi should have tried to do that, sending Solar first to clean up everyone else on Liquid, and save Time for Clem TvT. But they were drinking the cool-aid of Solar beating Clem in Last Chance. | ||
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Schelim
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On January 22 2022 04:23 Schelim wrote: Okay I have to ask, why did the first match go to 6-3 and the second match end at 5-3? The format isn t whoever eins x maps, wins the match. Its whoever gets eliminated 4 Times loses. It could possible go A1 1-1 B1 A2 1-1 B2 A3 1-1 B3 A2 2-0 B1 Or A1 2-0 B1 A1 0-2 B2 A2 2-0 B2 A2 0-2 B3 A3 0-2 B3 A1 2-0 B3 A2 1-0 B1 | ||
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Lokol18
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Pandain
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[PkF] Wire
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Waxangel
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On January 22 2022 04:38 dbRic1203 wrote: The format isn t whoever eins x maps, wins the match. Its whoever gets eliminated 4 Times loses. It could possible go A1 1-1 B1 A2 1-1 B2 A3 1-1 B3 A2 2-0 B1 Or A1 2-0 B1 A1 0-2 B2 A2 2-0 B2 A2 0-2 B3 A3 0-2 B3 A1 2-0 B3 A2 1-0 B1 basically, first team to a combined four 1-1 and/or 0-2 results loses the match. If you're looking at the Liquipedia scoreboard, you're not looking for who gets the most "green" results or even the numerical scores; it's about which team suffers four yellow (1-1) or white (0-2) results first. There's also rare BO1 ace-match possibility if both teams lose their last "life" at the same with a 1-1 draw. | ||
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Durnuu
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Elentos
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On January 22 2022 19:42 Elentos wrote: Ragnarok with some highest skill era Viper usage From what I have observed, he was the one who pioneered the fancy tricks on the spellcasters like heavy usage of neural parasite on Bcs (either killed by corrosive bio or corruptors) and neural parasite on the ghost to EMP all other ghosts. Then, Dark popularized the methods in the high-stake tournaments. | ||
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Elentos
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On January 22 2022 19:51 swarminfestor wrote: From what I have observed, he was the one who pioneered the fancy tricks on the spellcasters like heavy usage of neural parasite on Bcs (either killed by corrosive bio or corruptors) and neural parasite on the ghost to EMP all other ghosts. Then, Dark popularized the methods in the high-stake tournaments. That's great and all but I was being sarcastic because Ragnarok killed his own +3 attack while trying to get energy on his Vipers. | ||
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Circumstance
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swarminfestor
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swarminfestor
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On January 22 2022 19:59 Elentos wrote: That's great and all but I was being sarcastic because Ragnarok killed his own +3 attack while trying to get energy on his Vipers. Yeah, but mostly happened when he failed or didn't win a map with it. But, Dark made them into perfection and won map with the strategy. | ||
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Circumstance
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digmouse
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darklycid
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swarminfestor
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deacon.frost
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Argonauta
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Nakajin
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 22 2022 21:30 Argonauta wrote: You have to give credit to Ragnarok going 5-1 and taking a life from Clem, also his ZvP was quire entertaining for being vs airtoss, Well, the ZvP was completely chaotic. Mana couldn't believe he got there, Ragnarok couldn't believe he got there, then Mana couldn't believe he didn't win. Then Ragnarok couldn't believe he's still in the game. Then Ragnarok was thinking, that since he's in the lead, he returns the favor and lose the next few skirmishes. Then Mana went into - hey, how about I try to win. And is a near success. But then Rangarok remembers he's the one supposed to win so he actually wins. It was messy and ubelievable, but quite fun. | ||
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Circumstance
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tigera6
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deacon.frost
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Ed> Are these protosses even trying? Classic warps in stalkers wihtout a shield battery to not reveal DTs while Clem still reveals DTs and Classic loses so many probes. Damn, that a weird move. | ||
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darklycid
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On January 22 2022 21:54 deacon.frost wrote: The hell is Zoun trying? These are some funky moves. Sending adepts to suicide, opening with them VRs Ed> Are these protosses even trying? Classic warps in stalkers wihtout a shield battery to not reveal DTs while Clem still reveals DTs and Classic loses so many probes. Damn, that a weird move. Can I cherrypick this one day if results to say protoss ain't doing well | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 22 2022 22:15 darklycid wrote: Can I cherrypick this one day if results to say protoss ain't doing well Sure, why not xD | ||
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darklycid
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deacon.frost
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darklycid
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darklycid
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swarminfestor
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 22 2022 22:33 swarminfestor wrote: Did Clem just become TvP beast in just two days? To be fair Zoun played really weird builds and lost to them more than to Clem and Classic lost the first game to a BO loss and taking a risk which did backfire. | ||
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tigera6
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On January 22 2022 22:32 darklycid wrote: Wondering how showtime managed to just 3:1 Clem in the last ept cup, is his PvT rly good ATM or did Clem stay low before this event. Showtime PvT has been very good lately, beating lots of good Terrans in convincing fashion as well. His micro has been very on point and barely get caught in the middle of the map. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 22 2022 22:35 tigera6 wrote: Showtime PvT has been very good lately, beating lots of good Terrans in convincing fashion as well. His micro has been very on point and barely get caught in the middle of the map. Also how many risky/weird builds did he play?  | ||
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digmouse
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Circumstance
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Durnuu
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On January 22 2022 22:46 Circumstance wrote: Imagine this being another split set and then after two ridiculously stacked runs in the same series, we end up closing it out with Zoun against Harstem. I'd rather see that than a SINGLE player defeating a whole team in a TEAMleague. | ||
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tigera6
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On January 22 2022 22:48 Durnuu wrote: I'd rather see that than a SINGLE player defeating a whole team in a TEAMleague. AlphaX doesnt have an ACE and that pretty much shows here. Btw, the next match might start around mid-night in KR as well. | ||
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darklycid
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tigera6
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Argonauta
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swarminfestor
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tigera6
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Sent.
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geokilla
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Argonauta
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deacon.frost
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Evilmj
China103 Posts
On January 22 2022 22:39 digmouse wrote: Clem is currently 13-2 in playoffs. 17 games，Clem is too tired | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On January 22 2022 23:18 tigera6 wrote: how the F can Ragnarok be this good against Clem and look so poor against Maru, is it a mental thing? I think it's more of a stylistic thing, Clem is super agressive and that just play into Ragnarok style who like to fight constently on low tech and break the terran momentum. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33426 Posts
On January 22 2022 23:37 Nakajin wrote: I think it's more of a stylistic thing, Clem is super agressive and that just play into Ragnarok style who like to fight constently on low tech and break the terran momentum. Yeh, ragnarok actually plays Maru quite well in the midgame | ||
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Poopi
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tigera6
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AX got a better shot because of how the Protoss players, assuming they not doing weird shit again, is better against the DPG players. | ||
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tigera6
3409 Posts
On January 22 2022 23:35 deacon.frost wrote: TL just went into the Ragnarok and didn't survive. Imagine Mana could have won this for TL as well, if his Skytoss fight was a bit more clutch. | ||
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kankaijiang
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Nakajin
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tigera6
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buzz_bender
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swarminfestor
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tigera6
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On January 23 2022 01:18 swarminfestor wrote: Does microbial shroud has any effect on Ultralisk?As far as I know, microbial shrouds are only useful for the anti-air units like Queens or Hydra. Well, they halve ALL air-to-ground attack, so the Ultra wont just die to Carrier & Voidray. You need Immortal to shoot them down, and Zoun was reaching 200 supply so he couldnt add in more Immortal. That fight on Rogue base, the Protoss ground army would have smashed through Zerg so hard, but Zoun sticked with his air unit too long and Rogue found the perfect composition agaisnt it. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On January 23 2022 01:21 tigera6 wrote: Well, they halve ALL air-to-ground attack, so the Ultra wont just die to Carrier & Voidray. You need Immortal to shoot them down, and Zoun was reaching 200 supply so he couldnt add in more Immortal. That fight on Rogue base, the Protoss ground army would have smashed through Zerg so hard, but Zoun sticked with his air unit too long and Rogue found the perfect composition agaisnt it. Something I learnt from Rogue play today. That just save the transfuse energy and let the queens counter interceptors without any interruption. | ||
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swarminfestor
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Durnuu
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digmouse
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swarminfestor
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Waxangel
United States33426 Posts
On January 23 2022 19:20 Durnuu wrote: Foreign events and useless hour-long interviews, name a more iconic duo shuttup, I like the interviews  | ||
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Argonauta
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Durnuu
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tigera6
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digmouse
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tigera6
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darklycid
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Evilmj
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 23 2022 21:43 tigera6 wrote: If I were team NV, I would send Maru first and take down as many DPG players as he could, then send out the other players before reviving Maru again. It's DRG vs Harry Potter. Edit> lol, DRG got demolished. | ||
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deacon.frost
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That movement on the creep was a top notch YOLO decision. | ||
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tigera6
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deacon.frost
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Good to see. | ||
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swarminfestor
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Poopi
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Elentos
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Pandain
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Durnuu
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On January 23 2022 23:07 Pandain wrote: Marus eternal worst enemy: unlifted supply depots Usually it's not even that he doesn't lift them up, it's that when lifted up it's not a tight wall | ||
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digmouse
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Elentos
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On January 23 2022 23:09 digmouse wrote: NV is backed against a wall. Wouldn't have happened if they sent out their ace player Creator. | ||
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darklycid
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buzz_bender
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darklycid
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digmouse
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swarminfestor
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Evilmj
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Nakajin
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On January 23 2022 23:29 swarminfestor wrote: The best performance from Rogue since TL8 or ST2 2021? This is legit domination. Hopefully Rogue maintain this performance till the next Katowice unless we wont see grand final battle between Maru and Rogue once again. IDK, beating DRG and Bunny 2-0 isn't exactly unexpected. I'm worried for Maru though, looks like his tvz worry were founded, not a good look going into Kato with all thise zerg | ||
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Elentos
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tigera6
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On January 23 2022 23:33 Nakajin wrote: IDK, beating DRG and Bunny 2-0 isn't exactly unexpected. I'm worried for Maru though, looks like his tvz worry were founded, not a good look going into Kato with all thise zerg Maru usually plays better in longer series like Bo5/7 than short series Bo2/3 because he can throw in certain mind game and risky build. But yeah, this map pool is Zerg favored through and through, just because Maru won the last couple tournaments doesnt mean Terran is doing well on it. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 23 2022 23:33 Nakajin wrote: IDK, beating DRG and Bunny 2-0 isn't exactly unexpected. I'm worried for Maru though, looks like his tvz worry were founded, not a good look going into Kato with all thise zerg What kind of Kato would it be without another zerg title while saying Terran and Protoss are fine? | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On January 23 2022 23:33 Nakajin wrote: IDK, beating DRG and Bunny 2-0 isn't exactly unexpected. I'm worried for Maru though, looks like his tvz worry were founded, not a good look going into Kato with all thise zerg Maru is fine unless he does not encounter Rogue before he reaches the final. His problem seems Rogue right now. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
Hopefully he still wins Katowice | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 23 2022 23:58 Poopi wrote: Maru lost? So bummed. Hopefully he still wins Katowice press x to doubt. x | ||
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digmouse
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
Maybe Maru hard carry NV | ||
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Evilmj
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tigera6
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tigera6
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swarminfestor
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digmouse
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buzz_bender
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They really should get rid of Pride from the map pool. It's just another Beckett. Completely unfair for the other races when so many other maps are favoured for the Zerg already. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
poor Maru nice try though, gz DPG | ||
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Pandain
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tigera6
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tigera6
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On January 24 2022 00:39 Pandain wrote: Dark was significantly more than double Maru's army supply there. Lots of it was in Swamhost, so they are kinda useless though, but Maru did not have enough unit to defend nevertheless. | ||
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deacon.frost
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Athenau
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 24 2022 00:47 Athenau wrote: Pride of Altaris 43.1% TvZ, Hardwire 41.6%, all the other new maps sitting at 46-48%, this map pool is just absurd. Zergs screamed bloody murder about Beckett which is at 55.4%, and now there are two maps that are worse in the current pool. And suddenly zergs are silent. Ah, the true heroes of balance | ||
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tigera6
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On January 24 2022 00:49 deacon.frost wrote: And suddenly zergs are silent. Ah, the true heroes of balance Hey, Zerg needed a boost to keep their WCS/IEM winning streak at...8? whats wrong with that  | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 24 2022 00:58 tigera6 wrote: Hey, Zerg needed a boost to keep their WCS/IEM winning streak at...8? whats wrong with that Honestly, the most annoying thing about that is that everybody is pretending the maps are equal, they are balanced and the game is fine, all the races are fine. When the game loads on a map and the casters would say - well, this map has a very bad TvZ record, it will be an uphill battle for Terran - it would be better than "yoyoyo, we have here Maru and he's gonna win because he's Maru". | ||
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
On January 24 2022 00:46 deacon.frost wrote: Ona has to feel sorry for the author though. The constant vetoes and shitting on their map has to be infuriating. Well if you place a gold base you know the map is starting off wrong. Blackburn is okayish because you can split map | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
GG to them | ||
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tigera6
3409 Posts
On January 24 2022 01:05 Nakajin wrote: Just to much dept from DPG, you got Zest to snipe Ragnarok in his worst matchup, you got Cure to nullify Scarlett and Lambo zvz and zvp upset potential then you have Rogue and Dark to handle Maru. GG to them Will see how things go when Rogue and Zest gone for military and Cure/Hero has to carry more of the load. | ||
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Lokol18
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 24 2022 01:25 Lokol18 wrote: The map maker of pride deserves all the flack the map gets. Everyone and their mother knows that a map with a billion bases, including a gold, would be zerg favored (this is not even accounting for the other zerg-favored features, like a long distance from main to main and the different paths of attack). I'm of the opinion that map makers don't get called out more often for making maps that are so overwhelmingly skewed in favor of one race Well, who selected the map to the map pool? We should aim our anger at the selecting committee and not the author. | ||
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TentativePanda
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 24 2022 01:39 TentativePanda wrote: If maps are bad it should be allowed to alter it mid season to do things like remove a gold base/slow zones/rocks etc We have to summon the ghost of David Kim and alter the reality to update the map at the end of season, imagine changing in the middle. | ||
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tigera6
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On January 24 2022 01:39 TentativePanda wrote: If maps are bad it should be allowed to alter it mid season to do things like remove a gold base/slow zones/rocks etc Or before the World Championship starting, let the players/caster/fan to vote on the 7-maps pool to be played there, using all the maps during the current EPT season (Feb-Jan). That way we dont get Pride AND Glittering AND Hardwire on the same map pool. | ||
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Athenau
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On January 24 2022 01:42 deacon.frost wrote: We have to summon the ghost of David Kim and alter the reality to update the map at the end of season, imagine changing in the middle. It's amazing how when something is busted in favor of Zerg, we have to wait for ages to get it fixed (*cough* 50/50 super nydus, *cough* broodlord infestor), whereas when Terran or Protoss have something abusable (mass Raven, sentry-immortal) that shit's gone pronto. Now the game's in maintenance mode, and somehow when the maps get rotated, we still manage to get *this*? | ||
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
On January 24 2022 01:13 tigera6 wrote: Will see how things go when Rogue and Zest gone for military and Cure/Hero has to carry more of the load. The Chinese commentary did mention that Rogue expressed the desire to go to military early. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 24 2022 02:00 Athenau wrote: It's amazing how when something is busted in favor of Zerg, we have to wait for ages to get it fixed (*cough* 50/50 super nydus, *cough* broodlord infestor), whereas when Terran or Protoss have something abusable (mass Raven, sentry-immortal) that shit's gone pronto. Now the game's in maintenance mode, and somehow when the maps get rotated, we still manage to get *this*? Miracles of | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On January 24 2022 02:10 digmouse wrote: The Chinese commentary did mention that Rogue expressed the desire to go to military early. I might be retiring soon hearing this bad news. | ||
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