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[GSL] Super Tournament 1 - Day Two

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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 19 2022 19:30 GMT
#1

Super Tournament 3


Thursday, Jan 20 8:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament/2022/1

Streams & Casters


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Artosis - Tasteless

Format

  • Single-elimination bracket:
  • Round of 16 are Bo5.
  • Quarterfinals are Bo5.
  • Semifinals are Bo5.
  • Finals are Bo7.

      Map Pool



Quarterfinals


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(T)Dream vs (T)ByuN
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(Z)Dark vs (T)GuMiho
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(Z)Solar vs (P)Creator
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(T)Cure vs (P)Zoun

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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
January 19 2022 19:48 GMT
#2
ByuN, Creator, it’s former Prime time to shine!
WriterMaru
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 19 2022 20:13 GMT
#3
Holy Batman on a nuclear powered pogo stick! I thought I missed it and it happened today while my head was killing me. Anyway, GUMIGOD GOGOGOGO!!! Heart says Dream, GumiBro, Creator, Zoun just because I want them. Who cares about mind during a migrane
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4954 Posts
January 19 2022 22:28 GMT
#4
Dream Dark Solar Zoun for me!
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1144 Posts
January 20 2022 02:23 GMT
#5
all my money on a glorious GuMiho comeback!
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16092 Posts
January 20 2022 07:59 GMT
#6
Boring picks but these all seem pretty one sided except for the first match.

Dream > Byun

Solar > Creator

Dark > Gumiho

Cure > Zoun
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16092 Posts
January 20 2022 07:59 GMT
#7
On January 20 2022 11:23 SHODAN wrote:
all my money on a glorious GuMiho comeback!


If he did it vs Dark when Dark has been playing like he has it'd be one glorious comeback indeed. Blood for the Mech God!
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3515 Posts
January 20 2022 08:42 GMT
#8
Dream not playing too well here :/
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3431 Posts
January 20 2022 08:42 GMT
#9
While Tastosis can praise Byun all they want, Dream played so damn sad today.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4954 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 08:43:56
January 20 2022 08:43 GMT
#10
Dream contain in the third game was sooo 2015 . He played really poorly those series ....
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4129 Posts
January 20 2022 08:47 GMT
#11
The Dream of right liquibets gone :-)
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7369 Posts
January 20 2022 08:56 GMT
#12
Im not one to cheer for Terrans, but I hope Gumiho wins, hes always been a Terran I can actually consistently be fond of. I like Cure well enough too, but gotta route for Zoun, more Protosses move on the more potentially make it deep which means I can watch more of the tournament.

Oh, and Creator, I literally forgot he was on the bracket. I like Solar though so, whoever moves on Im happy for them.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
January 20 2022 09:18 GMT
#13
Just don't let them get to lings and banelings?!
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
January 20 2022 09:20 GMT
#14
Gumiho, just play mech. Bio is not your style. Clumped Ghosts got obliterated by seconds, just not a good sign.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
January 20 2022 09:52 GMT
#15
tbh Gumigod played better than i expected and it's making me cautiously hopeful for him
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3431 Posts
January 20 2022 09:57 GMT
#16
So Dark also got called to be ready for military now? meaning within the last 12 month we will lose Rogue, Trap and Dark? Maru will have some heavy lifting to carry on his small shoulder at this rate.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16092 Posts
January 20 2022 10:03 GMT
#17
Matches were over so fast they don't know how to fill time so they just air the same Hot6 commercial 100x lol.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
January 20 2022 10:14 GMT
#18
Don't mean to be a downer, but GSL should shake up ST format as well. Majority of these RO16 matches just end up as lopsided clean sweeps. Maybe BO3 is enough for this stage.
gg no re thx
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16092 Posts
January 20 2022 10:14 GMT
#19
On January 20 2022 19:14 RKC wrote:
Don't mean to be a downer, but GSL should shake up ST format as well. Majority of these RO16 matches just end up as lopsided clean sweeps. Maybe BO3 is enough for this stage.


It's single elimination. Bo5 is the only thing that makes any sense.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4954 Posts
January 20 2022 10:18 GMT
#20
On January 20 2022 19:14 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 19:14 RKC wrote:
Don't mean to be a downer, but GSL should shake up ST format as well. Majority of these RO16 matches just end up as lopsided clean sweeps. Maybe BO3 is enough for this stage.


It's single elimination. Bo5 is the only thing that makes any sense.


maybe play around with the seeds? What it really hurts isd to have the first seed play vs the last one in a bo5 instead of in a group or smt.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 20 2022 10:23 GMT
#21
They laugh at the start from replay, but for a Terran restart from scratch can mean a better addon starting base. Sure, PvZ, but still.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4954 Posts
January 20 2022 10:39 GMT
#22
big props to creator for not playing 3SG compos.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 20 2022 10:50 GMT
#23
On January 20 2022 19:39 Argonauta wrote:
big props to creator for not playing 3SG compos.

What have you done?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
January 20 2022 10:59 GMT
#24
On January 20 2022 19:18 Argonauta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 19:14 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 20 2022 19:14 RKC wrote:
Don't mean to be a downer, but GSL should shake up ST format as well. Majority of these RO16 matches just end up as lopsided clean sweeps. Maybe BO3 is enough for this stage.


It's single elimination. Bo5 is the only thing that makes any sense.


maybe play around with the seeds? What it really hurts isd to have the first seed play vs the last one in a bo5 instead of in a group or smt.

i mean i kinda see what you're saying but just now the underdog 3-0d the favorite
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16092 Posts
January 20 2022 10:59 GMT
#25
Well that was unexpected. Now Creator starts the year with a decently high Code S seed, for him anyway.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
January 20 2022 10:59 GMT
#26
Creator is just very good in PvZ recently. Dark, better watch out otherwise Creator will advance to the final.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16092 Posts
January 20 2022 11:00 GMT
#27
It just continues to surprise me how much worse Solar is vs Protoss than he is in the other two match ups. He's world class against any Terran or Zerg in the world, but in this match up, he's like..... slightly above average pro level.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
January 20 2022 11:01 GMT
#28
Slept too late and missed most of it, Solar did not win a single map? Impressive from Creator
WriterMaru
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4129 Posts
January 20 2022 11:01 GMT
#29
On January 20 2022 19:59 swarminfestor wrote:
Creator is just very good in PvZ recently. Dark, better watch out otherwise Creator will advance to the final.

Is Creator a favorite for the next round?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4954 Posts
January 20 2022 11:05 GMT
#30
I just realized how big eyelashes creator has O.o
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
January 20 2022 11:05 GMT
#31
On January 20 2022 20:01 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 19:59 swarminfestor wrote:
Creator is just very good in PvZ recently. Dark, better watch out otherwise Creator will advance to the final.

Is Creator a favorite for the next round?


Damn, I forget that Cure is still around and is a beast in TvP. I take back my word.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1306 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 11:06:37
January 20 2022 11:05 GMT
#32
That second Creator game was one of the most entertaining PvZ games that I've seen in a long time. The general consensus that Protoss air is stronger against Zerg means we don't get to see back-and-forth scraps like that very often, which is a huge shame.
puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16092 Posts
January 20 2022 11:06 GMT
#33
Well it's kind of cool at least that tonight will feature 4 different racial match ups.

TvT, TvZ, PvZ and then finally TvP.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4954 Posts
January 20 2022 11:15 GMT
#34
Only one zerg in the Ro8, microsoft plz... Buff zerg.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1306 Posts
January 20 2022 11:22 GMT
#35
Zoun using my favourite PvT opening, the proxied second Gateway!

:D
puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
January 20 2022 11:23 GMT
#36
Wow, the low heart marauder could still kill the juggling stalker.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3515 Posts
January 20 2022 11:37 GMT
#37
After the dip last ST we go back to the good ol super protoss tournament?
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1306 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 11:42:54
January 20 2022 11:41 GMT
#38
That was looking pretty bad for Zoun until the Depot wasn't raised and the Adepts got into the main.
puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
January 20 2022 11:48 GMT
#39
Will Cure's TvP undefeated offline record get shattered in the end?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16092 Posts
January 20 2022 11:49 GMT
#40
Protoss in super tournaments smh.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3515 Posts
January 20 2022 11:52 GMT
#41
Wtf was that by Cure in the last game.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4954 Posts
January 20 2022 11:52 GMT
#42
crazy upsets today!
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
January 20 2022 11:54 GMT
#43
Protoss won 6 games today, lost 0 games. Top 50 EU GM has 68% Protoss.

Protoss is doing very well I'd say.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
January 20 2022 11:54 GMT
#44
On January 20 2022 20:05 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 20:01 M2 wrote:
On January 20 2022 19:59 swarminfestor wrote:
Creator is just very good in PvZ recently. Dark, better watch out otherwise Creator will advance to the final.

Is Creator a favorite for the next round?


Damn, I forget that Cure is still around and is a beast in TvP. I take back my word.


Wow, Creator better do good job to defeat Zoun in the next match.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
January 20 2022 11:55 GMT
#45
Very disappointing performance by Cure in that 3rd game. :/

Though it was funny to see him falling for the classic diamond terran move, micro the reaper to kill a probe, while ignoring the way more important things.
Mendici sumus. Hoc est verum. | I don't mind straight people, as long as they act gay in public. | Es ist keine Tugend edel geboren werden, sondern sich edel machen | οἶδα οὐκ εἰδώς
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
January 20 2022 11:55 GMT
#46
Cure is preparing for Katowice like Trap, right?
Sad 3-0 day haha but cool for Creator and Zoun
WriterMaru
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3515 Posts
January 20 2022 11:56 GMT
#47
On January 20 2022 20:54 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Protoss won 6 games today, lost 0 games. Top 50 EU GM has 68% Protoss.

Protoss is doing very well I'd say.

this is a troll comment isn't it?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 20 2022 11:56 GMT
#48
Everybody hiding their builds for Poland
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 11:59:43
January 20 2022 11:58 GMT
#49
On January 20 2022 20:56 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 20:54 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Protoss won 6 games today, lost 0 games. Top 50 EU GM has 68% Protoss.

Protoss is doing very well I'd say.

this is a troll comment isn't it?


It's a fact. Protoss has overrun EU GM. The makeup was 68% Protoss in the top 50 EU GM when I checked a few weeks ago. ESL EU cup is overrun with Protoss entries, week in, and week out. There are less up and coming Zerg and Terran pros in EU GM, if the ESL EU Cup entries are an indication of which race is being played the most at the top EU GM level.

In addition, Protoss did very well today. 6 wins, zero losses. That's as good as it gets.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 20 2022 12:00 GMT
#50
On January 20 2022 20:58 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 20:56 darklycid wrote:
On January 20 2022 20:54 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Protoss won 6 games today, lost 0 games. Top 50 EU GM has 68% Protoss.

Protoss is doing very well I'd say.

this is a troll comment isn't it?


It's a fact. Protoss has overrun EU GM. The makeup was 68% Protoss in the top 50 EU GM when I checked a few weeks ago. ESL EU cup is overrun with Protoss entries, week in, and week out. There are less up and coming Zerg and Terran pros in EU GM, if the ESL EU Cup entries are an indication of which race is being played the most at the top EU GM level.

In addition, Protoss did very well today. 6 wins, zero losses. That's as good as it gets.

It doesn't matter that Protoss did shit before, TODAY THEY'RE FINE!!!! Trolling is a art.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3515 Posts
January 20 2022 12:02 GMT
#51
On January 20 2022 20:58 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 20:56 darklycid wrote:
On January 20 2022 20:54 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Protoss won 6 games today, lost 0 games. Top 50 EU GM has 68% Protoss.

Protoss is doing very well I'd say.

this is a troll comment isn't it?


It's a fact. Protoss has overrun EU GM. The makeup was 68% Protoss in the top 50 EU GM when I checked a few weeks ago. ESL EU cup is overrun with Protoss entries, week in, and week out. There are less up and coming Zerg and Terran pros in EU GM, if the ESL EU Cup entries are an indication of which race is being played the most at the top EU GM level.

In addition, Protoss did very well today. 6 wins, zero losses. That's as good as it gets.

Ah xes lets take one day to talk about the general performance of a faction great idea Quick anecdote Protoss went 9:1 in non mirror mus in 2019 st2 right before blizzcon, dont think anyone was talking about protoss doing well that hald of the year.
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 12:15:36
January 20 2022 12:13 GMT
#52
On January 20 2022 21:00 deacon.frost wrote:
It doesn't matter that Protoss did shit before, TODAY THEY'RE FINE!!!! Trolling is a art.


The people that say Protoss "didn't do shit before" are the actual trolls, IMO.


In the last 1.5 years, Trap has won TSL 7, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, DH Last Chance 2021, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Trap. That’s 7 high profile tournaments that Trap has won. Trap did pretty good in the last 1.5 years, if you ask me.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 12:18:13
January 20 2022 12:16 GMT
#53
On January 20 2022 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:00 deacon.frost wrote:
It doesn't matter that Protoss did shit before, TODAY THEY'RE FINE!!!! Trolling is a art.


The people that say Protoss "didn't do shit before" are the actual trolls, IMO.


In the last 1.5 years, Trap has won TSL 7, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, DH Last Chance 2021, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Trap. That’s 7 high profile tournaments that Trap has won. Trap did pretty good in the last 1.5 years, if you ask me.

Oh look, just play like Trap!

How many Code S titles? How many WC titles? Feel free to take the last 4 years.

Edit> If we're talking about the high profile tournaments, let's talk about the highest
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 12:20:30
January 20 2022 12:19 GMT
#54
On January 20 2022 21:16 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:00 deacon.frost wrote:
It doesn't matter that Protoss did shit before, TODAY THEY'RE FINE!!!! Trolling is a art.


The people that say Protoss "didn't do shit before" are the actual trolls, IMO.


In the last 1.5 years, Trap has won TSL 7, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, DH Last Chance 2021, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Trap. That’s 7 high profile tournaments that Trap has won. Trap did pretty good in the last 1.5 years, if you ask me.

Oh look, just play like Trap!

How many Code S titles? How many WC titles? Feel free to take the last 4 years.


When you say WC, do you mean WCS? Dreamhack replaced WCS last year. Trap won Dreamhack Last Chance 2021, the equivalent of a WCS.

All the other tournaments I listed, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter were all prestigious tournaments with the best players in them (except for the Korean tournaments where Serral and Reynor didn't participate in because they didn't fly to Korea).
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3431 Posts
January 20 2022 12:24 GMT
#55
On January 20 2022 20:55 Zetter wrote:
Very disappointing performance by Cure in that 3rd game. :/

Though it was funny to see him falling for the classic diamond terran move, micro the reaper to kill a probe, while ignoring the way more important things.

Usually Cure playing very safe and solid build, but somehow he was full of hole today. Also, Zoun was picking the right approach with "in-your-face" type of pressure early game and force Cure to make mistake he usually doesnt make.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 12:25:34
January 20 2022 12:25 GMT
#56
On January 20 2022 21:19 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:16 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:00 deacon.frost wrote:
It doesn't matter that Protoss did shit before, TODAY THEY'RE FINE!!!! Trolling is a art.


The people that say Protoss "didn't do shit before" are the actual trolls, IMO.


In the last 1.5 years, Trap has won TSL 7, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, DH Last Chance 2021, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Trap. That’s 7 high profile tournaments that Trap has won. Trap did pretty good in the last 1.5 years, if you ask me.

Oh look, just play like Trap!

How many Code S titles? How many WC titles? Feel free to take the last 4 years.


When you say WC, do you mean WCS? Dreamhack replaced WCS last year. Trap won Dreamhack Last Chance 2021, the equivalent of a WCS.

All the other tournaments I listed, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter were all prestigious tournaments with the best players in them (except for the Korean tournaments where Serral and Reynor didn't participate in because they didn't fly to Korea).

World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.

If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.

How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT?
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
January 20 2022 12:31 GMT
#57
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see
WriterMaru
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
January 20 2022 12:35 GMT
#58
On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.

If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.

How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT?


Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then?

2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling?


xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 12:40:55
January 20 2022 12:38 GMT
#59
On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see


Actually, prior to Cure winning GSL 3, the top Korean Terrans struggled against the top Korean Protoss in the GSL and the GSL Super Tournaments for about 8 months before GSL 3. But even in GSL 3 where Cure won it all, Maru lost to Trap.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
January 20 2022 12:40 GMT
#60
On January 20 2022 21:38 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see


Actually, prior to Cure winning GSL 3, the top Korean Terrans struggled against the top Korean Protoss in GSL and the GSL Super Tournaments for about 8 months before GSL 3. But even in GSL 3 where Cure won it all, Maru lost to Trap.

Yeah I know it was dicey af, but Cure gave me hope that he found the key to winning (although Zest should have destroyed him but threw several games :|)
Maybe Maru being in incredible form is enough, there is no former teammate like Rogue or Trap to choke against
WriterMaru
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16092 Posts
January 20 2022 12:51 GMT
#61
On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see


Zoun's PvT is above average even for Code S players IMO.

herO knocking out Maru is a possibility of course but I don't see it happening. Maru is in a kind of form I just haven't seen from him since he won 4 straight GSLs. He's not about to lose to some random bullshit.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
January 20 2022 12:52 GMT
#62
On January 20 2022 21:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see


Zoun's PvT is above average even for Code S players IMO.

herO knocking out Maru is a possibility of course but I don't see it happening. Maru is in a kind of form I just haven't seen from him since he won 4 straight GSLs. He's not about to lose to some random bullshit.

Not sure if that's a troll about sOs 3-0ing Maru with random bullshit precisely when he won 3 straight GSLs though
WriterMaru
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3515 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 12:55:52
January 20 2022 12:55 GMT
#63
On January 20 2022 21:52 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see


Zoun's PvT is above average even for Code S players IMO.

herO knocking out Maru is a possibility of course but I don't see it happening. Maru is in a kind of form I just haven't seen from him since he won 4 straight GSLs. He's not about to lose to some random bullshit.

Not sure if that's a troll about sOs 3-0ing Maru with random bullshit precisely when he won 3 straight GSLs though

That wasn't random bullshit though, it was a teamkill and bullshit that perfectly countered maru.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 13:06:04
January 20 2022 13:00 GMT
#64
On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.

If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.

How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT?


Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then?

2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling?



That's why I put there WC AND Code S. Because while Terrans were struggeling to win WCS (oh look, I wrote WCS) and WC, they were not struggeling to win at least something in the Code S. You can't say the same about Protoss, the only exception being WCS NA which is a joke.

Stop cherrypicking. The highest tournaments are Kato, Blizzcon and Code S. THese. Three. Tournaments. That's why I used them, that's why Protoss were winning them. If you insist on themetric you used.

Anyway, had fun times, but your editing the thread of comments out and you being an obvious troll was amusing for a while but currently it's not.

And yes, Protoss having GM EU makes this shitty situation so hard. But it doesn't mean that Protoss is fine.

BTW why are you removign the previous posts from your replies in the quote section? It's not like you're replying to multiple comments. One has to wonder...
On January 20 2022 21:52 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see


Zoun's PvT is above average even for Code S players IMO.

herO knocking out Maru is a possibility of course but I don't see it happening. Maru is in a kind of form I just haven't seen from him since he won 4 straight GSLs. He's not about to lose to some random bullshit.

Not sure if that's a troll about sOs 3-0ing Maru with random bullshit precisely when he won 3 straight GSLs though

well, to be fair if we covered the names and showed the replayes some people would call maphack, teamkills are rough and sOs read Maru like an open book
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3431 Posts
January 20 2022 13:40 GMT
#65
On January 20 2022 21:40 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:38 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see


Actually, prior to Cure winning GSL 3, the top Korean Terrans struggled against the top Korean Protoss in GSL and the GSL Super Tournaments for about 8 months before GSL 3. But even in GSL 3 where Cure won it all, Maru lost to Trap.

Yeah I know it was dicey af, but Cure gave me hope that he found the key to winning (although Zest should have destroyed him but threw several games :|)
Maybe Maru being in incredible form is enough, there is no former teammate like Rogue or Trap to choke against

To be completely honest, I thought that Cure hit a streak in TvP during GSL S3 but his overall TvP style can be dealt with solid PvT style with proper defense and unit placement, the PvT style that the EU Protosss like Showtime and MaxPax play. You see that Cure didnt want to tech up into late game Tank/Libs army but stick with Bio for more mobility but will eventually die out to lategame Toss army.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
January 20 2022 13:49 GMT
#66
Super Tournament doing it's usual job and reminding people that protoss imba.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 15:45:10
January 20 2022 15:15 GMT
#67
On January 20 2022 22:00 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.

If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.

How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT?


Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then?

2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling?



That's why I put there WC AND Code S. Because while Terrans were struggeling to win WCS (oh look, I wrote WCS) and WC, they were not struggeling to win at least something in the Code S. You can't say the same about Protoss, the only exception being WCS NA which is a joke.

Stop cherrypicking....



You are such a troll. I pointed out that no Terran has won Blizzcon or Katowice either in the last 5 years, what you define as WC, and then you move the goalposts and include Code S.

But then you neglect Dreamhack Last Chance which Trap won last year, which is the equivalent of a WCS under the new tournament format by ESL. It's a shame you cherry pick and troll in this way.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 16:16:55
January 20 2022 15:39 GMT
#68
On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.

If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.

How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT?


Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then?

2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling?



And?
You ask when was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice?
Well how about Protoss who the last winner of Blizzcon wasn't even in freaking LOTV, it was sOs in 2015
IEM was Zest, also in 2015. Protoss hasn't won a Code S (Not Super Tournament) since 2017 when Stats did.
At least Terran won something in LOTV along with all the Code S trophies. Don't make it like Terran was weak or anything when it was the broken race Zerg that won it all.
Faker is the GOAT!
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3515 Posts
January 20 2022 17:58 GMT
#69
On January 21 2022 00:15 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 22:00 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.

If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.

How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT?


Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then?

2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling?



That's why I put there WC AND Code S. Because while Terrans were struggeling to win WCS (oh look, I wrote WCS) and WC, they were not struggeling to win at least something in the Code S. You can't say the same about Protoss, the only exception being WCS NA which is a joke.

Stop cherrypicking....



You are such a troll. I pointed out that no Terran has won Blizzcon or Katowice either in the last 5 years, what you define as WC, and then you move the goalposts and include Code S.

But then you neglect Dreamhack Last Chance which Trap won last year, which is the equivalent of a WCS under the new tournament format by ESL. It's a shame you cherry pick and troll in this way.

I love how you start with some massive troll takes and now your Argumentation is basically a 'no u'
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 20 2022 18:05 GMT
#70
On January 21 2022 00:15 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 22:00 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.

If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.

How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT?


Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then?

2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling?



That's why I put there WC AND Code S. Because while Terrans were struggeling to win WCS (oh look, I wrote WCS) and WC, they were not struggeling to win at least something in the Code S. You can't say the same about Protoss, the only exception being WCS NA which is a joke.

Stop cherrypicking....



You are such a troll. I pointed out that no Terran has won Blizzcon or Katowice either in the last 5 years, what you define as WC, and then you move the goalposts and include Code S.

But then you neglect Dreamhack Last Chance which Trap won last year, which is the equivalent of a WCS under the new tournament format by ESL. It's a shame you cherry pick and troll in this way.


On January 20 2022 21:16 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:00 deacon.frost wrote:
It doesn't matter that Protoss did shit before, TODAY THEY'RE FINE!!!! Trolling is a art.


The people that say Protoss "didn't do shit before" are the actual trolls, IMO.


In the last 1.5 years, Trap has won TSL 7, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, DH Last Chance 2021, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Trap. That’s 7 high profile tournaments that Trap has won. Trap did pretty good in the last 1.5 years, if you ask me.

Oh look, just play like Trap!

How many Code S titles? How many WC titles? Feel free to take the last 4 years.

Edit> If we're talking about the high profile tournaments, let's talk about the highest


If you didn't remove the start you would have seen I asked for both titles. But that wouldn't be good trolling, or lying or w/e shit you're doing.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12302 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-20 21:25:34
January 20 2022 21:25 GMT
#71
Starcraft culture is when you hear the korean translator talk about Byun when he means Creator and your brain immediately goes "ah yes that's because they're both called Hyunwoo"
No will to live, no wish to die
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
January 21 2022 03:02 GMT
#72
This was a disappointing day, massacres across the board. The interviews have all been good though. I feel like the players have opened up a lot recently.
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-21 16:19:15
January 21 2022 10:01 GMT
#73
On January 21 2022 03:05 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2022 00:15 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 20 2022 22:00 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.

If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.

How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT?


Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then?

2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling?



That's why I put there WC AND Code S. Because while Terrans were struggeling to win WCS (oh look, I wrote WCS) and WC, they were not struggeling to win at least something in the Code S. You can't say the same about Protoss, the only exception being WCS NA which is a joke.

Stop cherrypicking....



You are such a troll. I pointed out that no Terran has won Blizzcon or Katowice either in the last 5 years, what you define as WC, and then you move the goalposts and include Code S.

But then you neglect Dreamhack Last Chance which Trap won last year, which is the equivalent of a WCS under the new tournament format by ESL. It's a shame you cherry pick and troll in this way.


Show nested quote +
On January 20 2022 21:16 deacon.frost wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On January 20 2022 21:00 deacon.frost wrote:
It doesn't matter that Protoss did shit before, TODAY THEY'RE FINE!!!! Trolling is a art.


The people that say Protoss "didn't do shit before" are the actual trolls, IMO.


In the last 1.5 years, Trap has won TSL 7, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, DH Last Chance 2021, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Trap. That’s 7 high profile tournaments that Trap has won. Trap did pretty good in the last 1.5 years, if you ask me.

Oh look, just play like Trap!

How many Code S titles? How many WC titles? Feel free to take the last 4 years.

Edit> If we're talking about the high profile tournaments, let's talk about the highest


If you didn't remove the start you would have seen I asked for both titles. But that wouldn't be good trolling, or lying or w/e shit you're doing.


All you do is cherry pick. First you say World Championship meaning Blizzcon and Katowice, according to your definition of World Championship, then after I mention Terran hasn't won a World Championship since 2017 according to your definition, you cherry pick whatever tournament you want.

You say, "If we're talking about the high profile tournaments, let's talk about the highest." How is Dreamhack Last Chance not one of the highest level tournaments? It includes Serral and Reynor, arguably two of the best players in the world last year, as well as the best Koreans.

You deliberated downplay and exclude Dreamhack Last Chance because Trap won it, so it disproves your theory. The 7 tournaments that I cited Trap won in the last 1.5 years, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, DH Last Chance 2021, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter, are all Premier Tournaments except for Next 2020, but Next was upgraded to a Premier Tournament in 2021: (Wiki)Premier Tournaments.

See how you cherry pick your tournaments but I don't cherry pick the tournaments? I simply list out Premier level tournaments, which is a fair standard to assess success. IMO, it's disgraceful how you cherry pick your tournaments and that's why it makes you a troll.

mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
January 22 2022 07:13 GMT
#74
On January 21 2022 12:02 Husyelt wrote:
This was a disappointing day, massacres across the board. The interviews have all been good though. I feel like the players have opened up a lot recently.


Agree 100%. Games might not be the best quality but interviews have definitely improved.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Dustin125
Profile Joined January 2022
United States1 Post
January 23 2022 08:41 GMT
#75
Gumiho, just play mech
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