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On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see
Zoun's PvT is above average even for Code S players IMO.
herO knocking out Maru is a possibility of course but I don't see it happening. Maru is in a kind of form I just haven't seen from him since he won 4 straight GSLs. He's not about to lose to some random bullshit.
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On January 20 2022 21:51 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see Zoun's PvT is above average even for Code S players IMO. herO knocking out Maru is a possibility of course but I don't see it happening. Maru is in a kind of form I just haven't seen from him since he won 4 straight GSLs. He's not about to lose to some random bullshit.
Not sure if that's a troll about sOs 3-0ing Maru with random bullshit precisely when he won 3 straight GSLs though 
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On January 20 2022 21:52 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 21:51 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see Zoun's PvT is above average even for Code S players IMO. herO knocking out Maru is a possibility of course but I don't see it happening. Maru is in a kind of form I just haven't seen from him since he won 4 straight GSLs. He's not about to lose to some random bullshit. Not sure if that's a troll about sOs 3-0ing Maru with random bullshit precisely when he won 3 straight GSLs though
That wasn't random bullshit though, it was a teamkill and bullshit that perfectly countered maru.
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On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.
If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.
How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT? Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then? 2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling?
That's why I put there WC AND Code S. Because while Terrans were struggeling to win WCS (oh look, I wrote WCS) and WC, they were not struggeling to win at least something in the Code S. You can't say the same about Protoss, the only exception being WCS NA which is a joke.
Stop cherrypicking. The highest tournaments are Kato, Blizzcon and Code S. THese. Three. Tournaments. That's why I used them, that's why Protoss were winning them. If you insist on themetric you used.
Anyway, had fun times, but your editing the thread of comments out and you being an obvious troll was amusing for a while but currently it's not.
And yes, Protoss having GM EU makes this shitty situation so hard. But it doesn't mean that Protoss is fine.
BTW why are you removign the previous posts from your replies in the quote section? It's not like you're replying to multiple comments. One has to wonder...
On January 20 2022 21:52 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 21:51 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see Zoun's PvT is above average even for Code S players IMO. herO knocking out Maru is a possibility of course but I don't see it happening. Maru is in a kind of form I just haven't seen from him since he won 4 straight GSLs. He's not about to lose to some random bullshit. Not sure if that's a troll about sOs 3-0ing Maru with random bullshit precisely when he won 3 straight GSLs though
well, to be fair if we covered the names and showed the replayes some people would call maphack, teamkills are rough and sOs read Maru like an open book
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On January 20 2022 21:40 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 21:38 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 20 2022 21:31 Poopi wrote:
The one guy that was consistent in TvP getting obliterated 3-0 kinda confirms me that the match-up is super volatile / random :/
I even could see herO beating out Maru? We will see Actually, prior to Cure winning GSL 3, the top Korean Terrans struggled against the top Korean Protoss in GSL and the GSL Super Tournaments for about 8 months before GSL 3. But even in GSL 3 where Cure won it all, Maru lost to Trap. Yeah I know it was dicey af, but Cure gave me hope that he found the key to winning (although Zest should have destroyed him but threw several games :|) Maybe Maru being in incredible form is enough, there is no former teammate like Rogue or Trap to choke against
To be completely honest, I thought that Cure hit a streak in TvP during GSL S3 but his overall TvP style can be dealt with solid PvT style with proper defense and unit placement, the PvT style that the EU Protosss like Showtime and MaxPax play. You see that Cure didnt want to tech up into late game Tank/Libs army but stick with Bio for more mobility but will eventually die out to lategame Toss army.
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Super Tournament doing it's usual job and reminding people that protoss imba.
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On January 20 2022 22:00 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.
If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.
How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT? Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then? 2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling? That's why I put there WC AND Code S. Because while Terrans were struggeling to win WCS (oh look, I wrote WC S) and WC, they were not struggeling to win at least something in the Code S. You can't say the same about Protoss, the only exception being WCS NA which is a joke. Stop cherrypicking....
You are such a troll. I pointed out that no Terran has won Blizzcon or Katowice either in the last 5 years, what you define as WC, and then you move the goalposts and include Code S.
But then you neglect Dreamhack Last Chance which Trap won last year, which is the equivalent of a WCS under the new tournament format by ESL. It's a shame you cherry pick and troll in this way.
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On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.
If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.
How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT? Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then? 2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling?
And?
You ask when was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice?
Well how about Protoss who the last winner of Blizzcon wasn't even in freaking LOTV, it was sOs in 2015
IEM was Zest, also in 2015. Protoss hasn't won a Code S (Not Super Tournament) since 2017 when Stats did.
At least Terran won something in LOTV along with all the Code S trophies. Don't make it like Terran was weak or anything when it was the broken race Zerg that won it all.
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On January 21 2022 00:15 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 22:00 deacon.frost wrote:On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.
If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.
How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT? Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then? 2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling? That's why I put there WC AND Code S. Because while Terrans were struggeling to win WCS (oh look, I wrote WC S) and WC, they were not struggeling to win at least something in the Code S. You can't say the same about Protoss, the only exception being WCS NA which is a joke. Stop cherrypicking.... You are such a troll. I pointed out that no Terran has won Blizzcon or Katowice either in the last 5 years, what you define as WC, and then you move the goalposts and include Code S. But then you neglect Dreamhack Last Chance which Trap won last year, which is the equivalent of a WCS under the new tournament format by ESL. It's a shame you cherry pick and troll in this way.
I love how you start with some massive troll takes and now your Argumentation is basically a 'no u' 
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On January 21 2022 00:15 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 22:00 deacon.frost wrote:On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.
If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.
How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT? Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then? 2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling? That's why I put there WC AND Code S. Because while Terrans were struggeling to win WCS (oh look, I wrote WC S) and WC, they were not struggeling to win at least something in the Code S. You can't say the same about Protoss, the only exception being WCS NA which is a joke. Stop cherrypicking.... You are such a troll. I pointed out that no Terran has won Blizzcon or Katowice either in the last 5 years, what you define as WC, and then you move the goalposts and include Code S. But then you neglect Dreamhack Last Chance which Trap won last year, which is the equivalent of a WCS under the new tournament format by ESL. It's a shame you cherry pick and troll in this way.
On January 20 2022 21:16 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 20 2022 21:00 deacon.frost wrote:It doesn't matter that Protoss did shit before, TODAY THEY'RE FINE!!!! Trolling is a art. The people that say Protoss "didn't do shit before" are the actual trolls, IMO. In the last 1.5 years, Trap has won TSL 7, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, DH Last Chance 2021, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Trap. That’s 7 high profile tournaments that Trap has won. Trap did pretty good in the last 1.5 years, if you ask me. Oh look, just play like Trap! How many Code S titles? How many WC titles? Feel free to take the last 4 years. Edit> If we're talking about the high profile tournaments, let's talk about the highest
If you didn't remove the start you would have seen I asked for both titles. But that wouldn't be good trolling, or lying or w/e shit you're doing.
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Starcraft culture is when you hear the korean translator talk about Byun when he means Creator and your brain immediately goes "ah yes that's because they're both called Hyunwoo"
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This was a disappointing day, massacres across the board. The interviews have all been good though. I feel like the players have opened up a lot recently.
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On January 21 2022 03:05 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2022 00:15 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 20 2022 22:00 deacon.frost wrote:On January 20 2022 21:35 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 20 2022 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:
World Championship, Blizzcon and or Kato. Your choice.
If I wanted to write WCS, I would have written WCS.
How did you get from Code S to the Super Tournament is beyond my reading skills. Probably some mind games. Hey, deacon wrote Code S but in reality he meant GSL and GSL has Super Trounaments, right? RIGHT? Ok. When was the last time Terran won Blizzcon or Katowice then? 2017, 5 years ago, by Ty. Terran hasn't won Blizzcon or Katowice for the last 5 years. What is your point? Are you trolling? That's why I put there WC AND Code S. Because while Terrans were struggeling to win WCS (oh look, I wrote WC S) and WC, they were not struggeling to win at least something in the Code S. You can't say the same about Protoss, the only exception being WCS NA which is a joke. Stop cherrypicking.... You are such a troll. I pointed out that no Terran has won Blizzcon or Katowice either in the last 5 years, what you define as WC, and then you move the goalposts and include Code S. But then you neglect Dreamhack Last Chance which Trap won last year, which is the equivalent of a WCS under the new tournament format by ESL. It's a shame you cherry pick and troll in this way. Show nested quote +On January 20 2022 21:16 deacon.frost wrote:On January 20 2022 21:13 xelnaga_empire wrote:On January 20 2022 21:00 deacon.frost wrote:It doesn't matter that Protoss did shit before, TODAY THEY'RE FINE!!!! Trolling is a art. The people that say Protoss "didn't do shit before" are the actual trolls, IMO. In the last 1.5 years, Trap has won TSL 7, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, DH Last Chance 2021, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Trap. That’s 7 high profile tournaments that Trap has won. Trap did pretty good in the last 1.5 years, if you ask me. Oh look, just play like Trap! How many Code S titles? How many WC titles? Feel free to take the last 4 years. Edit> If we're talking about the high profile tournaments, let's talk about the highest If you didn't remove the start you would have seen I asked for both titles. But that wouldn't be good trolling, or lying or w/e shit you're doing.
All you do is cherry pick. First you say World Championship meaning Blizzcon and Katowice, according to your definition of World Championship, then after I mention Terran hasn't won a World Championship since 2017 according to your definition, you cherry pick whatever tournament you want.
You say, "If we're talking about the high profile tournaments, let's talk about the highest." How is Dreamhack Last Chance not one of the highest level tournaments? It includes Serral and Reynor, arguably two of the best players in the world last year, as well as the best Koreans.
You deliberated downplay and exclude Dreamhack Last Chance because Trap won it, so it disproves your theory. The 7 tournaments that I cited Trap won in the last 1.5 years, Next S1, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 1, DH Last Chance 2021, 2021 GSL Super Tournament 2, 2020 GSL Super Tournament 2, and Next 2020 Winter, are all Premier Tournaments except for Next 2020, but Next was upgraded to a Premier Tournament in 2021:  Premier Tournaments.
See how you cherry pick your tournaments but I don't cherry pick the tournaments? I simply list out Premier level tournaments, which is a fair standard to assess success. IMO, it's disgraceful how you cherry pick your tournaments and that's why it makes you a troll.
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On January 21 2022 12:02 Husyelt wrote:
This was a disappointing day, massacres across the board. The interviews have all been good though. I feel like the players have opened up a lot recently.
Agree 100%. Games might not be the best quality but interviews have definitely improved.
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