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tigera6
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darklycid
3510 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:43 deacon.frost wrote: in this case the TL, DR can be: Only Protoss is in bad state, Terran is fine. Zerg and Terran stronk. I mean many complaints are feel driven and at least for Terran it feels like they have chances :D | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:42 Poopi wrote: Well ByuN is favored versus RagnaroK isn't he? And HeroMarine has a shot versus Reynor in their current shape But then there's Rogue, Serral and Dark. Which is the issue. If it was just 1 Zerg, maybe. But this way? Nope. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:46 Pandain wrote: Maru and Trap dominate 2021 but people still complain about Zerg. Go figure. as a poster before pointed out. It is because the disproportionally amount of zergs placing higher in tournaments compared to the other two races. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:43 deacon.frost wrote: in this case the TL, DR can be: Only Protoss is in bad state, Terran is fine. Zerg and Terran stronk. "Being in a bad state" is "elite" now? | ||
Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:36 Poopi wrote: Did anyone really think that? xD Only Maru seemed to have a chance while all others terrans mostly got crushed on the new map pool, even Clem I guess zergs figured out his style and now we have to wait and see if he has found something to win again after king of battles some people said that xD which was of course incredibly stupid because Maru is the only one who can even compete with the top zergs at that stage, but even he loses sometimes there | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:46 Pandain wrote: Maru and Trap dominate 2021 but people still complain about Zerg. Go figure. Trap hasn't dominated in a quite long time | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:46 Pandain wrote: Maru and Trap dominate 2021 but people still complain about Zerg. Go figure. Premier titles of 2021 of the top players: Trap - 5 Serral - 3 Dark - 2 Rogue - 2 Reynor -2 Maru 1 (2 with KoB) WHAT A DOMINATION!!!! Maru is just unstoppable!  How does he do it? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:47 Fanatic-Templar wrote: "Being in a bad state" is "elite" now? I think you missed my post by like 8 lightyears xD Just forget it. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:47 Argonauta wrote: as a poster before pointed out. It is because the disproportionally amount of zergs placing higher in tournaments compared to the other two races. There are about nine players who collectively are 99.9% favored to win any tournament they enter. They are Serral, Rogue, Dark, Reynor, Maru, Cure, Clem, Zest, Trap. Between these players I don't think there is ever a balance problem and they regularly trade series and games. The problem isn't balance, it's that there are just more good Zerg players because of how military service played out (Stats gone, Innovation & TY gone). Who are the top S-tier zergs that went to military service - none really. I don't know if this is too provocative but that's what I'll say. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:54 Pandain wrote: There are about nine players who collectively are 99.9% favored to win any tournament they enter. They are Serral, Rogue, Dark, Reynor, Maru, Cure, Clem, Zest, Trap. Between these players I don't think there is ever a balance problem and they regularly trade series and games. The problem isn't balance, it's that there are just more good Zerg players because of how military service played out (Stats gone, Innovation & TY gone). Who are the top S-tier zergs that went to military service - none really. I don't know if this is too provocative but that's what I'll say. None except like ByuL and soO | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:54 Pandain wrote: There are about nine players who collectively are 99.9% favored to win any tournament they enter. They are Serral, Rogue, Dark, Reynor, Maru, Cure, Clem, Zest, Trap. Between these players I don't think there is ever a balance problem and they regularly trade series and games. The problem isn't balance, it's that there are just more good Zerg players because of how military service played out (Stats gone, Innovation & TY gone). Who are the top S-tier zergs that went to military service - none really. I don't know if this is too provocative but that's what I'll say. Did you like forget soO? oO Edit> Also I dare to say that Cure, Zest and Clem are nowhere near to be such favorites. Especially Clem who still has to prove on the international scene IMO. Like don't get me wrong, these players are not bad, but are not as reliable as the rest. Which are 4 Z 1 T and 1 P. What a time we live in | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:54 Pandain wrote: There are about nine players who collectively are 99.9% favored to win any tournament they enter. They are Serral, Rogue, Dark, Reynor, Maru, Cure, Clem, Zest, Trap. Between these players I don't think there is ever a balance problem and they regularly trade series and games. The problem isn't balance, it's that there are just more good Zerg players because of how military service played out (Stats gone, Innovation & TY gone). Who are the top S-tier zergs that went to military service - none really. I don't know if this is too provocative but that's what I'll say. I feel like Zest and Trap lose more vs the top Zergs than they win though. Especially in bo5+ | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:58 deacon.frost wrote: Did you like forget soO? oO Edit> Also I dare to say that Cure, Zest and Clem are nowhere near to be such favorites. Especially Clem who still has to prove on the international scene IMO. Like don't get me wrong, these players are not bad, but are not as reliable as the rest. Which are 4 Z 1 T and 1 P. What a time we live in I agree but he still has a point with the military departures. soO also was the least impressive of the Zergs at the time of his departure. the Katowice run was a complete miracle for him | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 11 2021 03:03 Charoisaur wrote: I agree but he still has a point with the military departures. soO also was the least impressive of the Zergs at the time of his departure. the Katowice run was a complete miracle for him Of course he has, when Stats was departuring I was already predicted bad years. Or was it the Classic thread? One of these. It wasn't hard to predict the future will be dark. Edit> if you count in Clem and Cure in their current form, soO has a place there! | ||
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tigera6
3397 Posts
While I dont mind seeing TvZ all day, its just a damn shame to see 3-4 Zerg ganging up on a Terran deep into the tournament. Thats why I need to see Clem getting his top TvZ back and start dropping down on Zerg again, but he seems to be in a limbo of how to deal with anything outside of lingbane opening. As for Protoss, its aint happening against top Zergs with proper scouting and defend from them, | ||
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Gottingen
United States27 Posts
On December 11 2021 02:52 deacon.frost wrote: Premier titles of 2021 of the top players: Trap - 5 Serral - 3 Dark - 2 Rogue - 2 Reynor -2 Maru 1 (2 with KoB) WHAT A DOMINATION!!!! Maru is just unstoppable! How does he do it? dark got only 1 I think | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
HA! Now he has to win TSL xD | ||
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