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On December 02 2021 21:29 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2021 21:28 Swisslink wrote:
I don‘t really understand why Maru went for the proxy 2 rax in the final game. Afterwards, Rogue was able to control the game quite well and hardly ever struggled, imo. I think is fine, I think Maru can perfectly leverage a scouted 2 proxy rax to a normal game, or, if not scouted, right away win with it.
Against most players I agree, but against someone like Rogue who is actually able to match Maru’s multitasking, it seems too risky. Especially considering Maru did well in the longer games.
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On December 02 2021 21:28 Swisslink wrote:
I don‘t really understand why Maru went for the proxy 2 rax in the final game. Afterwards, Rogue was able to control the game quite well and hardly ever struggled, imo.
Because the map is super zerg favored with millions of bases (so can’t really split map as well as Hardwire) + gold base like Blackburn so zerg has big eco kick.
Basically blackburn having gold is very good for zerg but terran can try to split map relatively well, but on pride of altaris it’s worst of both worlds.
Rogue knew he had to survive early game and his scouting pattern was on point
Nice to know that Rogue is still the best zerg in the world though
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On December 02 2021 21:29 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2021 21:28 Swisslink wrote:
I don‘t really understand why Maru went for the proxy 2 rax in the final game. Afterwards, Rogue was able to control the game quite well and hardly ever struggled, imo. I think is fine, I think Maru can perfectly leverage a scouted 2 proxy rax to a normal game, or, if not scouted, right away win with it.
Maru started crumbling when he lost the Raven. Rogue anticipated that move, preparing Queen at the right position before Maru can do the multitasking move.
It same case with widow mines with drilling claw before. Rogue countered Maru before he placed widow mines.
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yaayayyy Rogue 
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On December 02 2021 21:28 Swisslink wrote:
I don‘t really understand why Maru went for the proxy 2 rax in the final game. Afterwards, Rogue was able to control the game quite well and hardly ever struggled, imo.
Because if you don't Rogue spreads the creep to the gold, then takes the gold, then kills Maru. This map has shitload of bases, is hard to split and has a relatively easy to take gold base. It's zerg heaven.
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GGs to both Players
They both only lost a Single map on their way to the Finals, they are a League of their own in Korea right now.
Just fitting that it went all the way to game 7
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On December 02 2021 21:31 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2021 21:29 Argonauta wrote:On December 02 2021 21:28 Swisslink wrote:
I don‘t really understand why Maru went for the proxy 2 rax in the final game. Afterwards, Rogue was able to control the game quite well and hardly ever struggled, imo. I think is fine, I think Maru can perfectly leverage a scouted 2 proxy rax to a normal game, or, if not scouted, right away win with it. Against most players I agree, but against someone like Rogue who is actually able to match Maru’s multitasking, it seems too risky. Especially considering Maru did well in the longer games.
On this map Maru won't win in the lategame, Maru will get his ass served the same way Cure got his. You cannot force a split map scenario on this map and there's a gold you cannot contest. If 2rax anywhere, it's this map for sure.
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Rogue my boy what a champ! Dark, Cure, Maru - he lost to all 3 of them the last time he played them, the best revenge is ... revenge! Maru's ghosts are still OP though.
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Why does Rogue leave the best maps for last? Its so weird, certainly you'd want the best maps for you to be the ones you will play for certain.
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On December 02 2021 21:28 Swisslink wrote:
I don‘t really understand why Maru went for the proxy 2 rax in the final game. Afterwards, Rogue was able to control the game quite well and hardly ever struggled, imo.
Terran isn't gonna win an even game vs zerg on that map. Let alone against Rogue. Maru was always going to 2rax.
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On December 02 2021 21:51 Morbidius wrote:
Why does Rogue leave the best maps for last? Its so weird, certainly you'd want the best maps for you to be the ones you will play for certain.
Maybe Rogue expected Maru to proxy rax in that map when it happened at Game 7 just like he mindgamed Dark before.
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Maru went for the exact same play on the exact same location against Scarlett in WTL, so Rogue knew exactly what he went for. Personally I dont mind how that proxy racks played out, because Rogue was forced to make lots of Lings instead of Drone. Then everything went wrong for Maru from the 3 tank push, to the Raven to the dropped Helions. None of those are fatal, but all of them together put him way behind.
And Maru wasnt clean enough on blocking the ling run-by from doing huge damage. In the end, Rogue deserve the win, but Maru is still the best TvZ in the world especially in lategame.
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On December 02 2021 22:28 tigera6 wrote:
Maru went for the exact same play on the exact same location against Scarlett in WTL, so Rogue knew exactly what he went for. Personally I dont mind how that proxy racks played out, because Rogue was forced to make lots of Lings instead of Drone. Then everything went wrong for Maru from the 3 tank push, to the Raven to the dropped Helions. None of those are fatal, but all of them together put him way behind.
Even before that, I think Maru would have been in a decent spot, had he been able to save his initial marines.
He did a smart bluff on his retreat by not salvaging the bunker and keeping one marine inside, but Rogue still spotted it with a drone at the Xel Naga.
Brilliant play from both - thanks for the show and congratz to Rogue!
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Haven't got to watch the games yet but how does Rogue do this days after losing to Special/Lambo and tying Kelazhur? If it was a few weeks I'd understand somewhat but his forms varies like no one else in SC2.
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On December 02 2021 23:51 JJH777 wrote:
Haven't got to watch the games yet but how does Rogue do this days after losing to Special/Lambo and tying Kelazhur? If it was a few weeks I'd understand somewhat but his forms varies like no one else in SC2.
Offline is different vs Online.
I'd imagine Rogue is understandably better when he's actually awake and prepared vs when he has to play at off hours in the morning.
Also Rogue knows Maru and knows how he thinks. They were teammates for years. He's his archnemesis don't let these Serral fans confuse you, Rogue is the guy who Maru fears the most.
Still I'm a fan of both players. And so as long as the result is a 4-3 and one of them wins I can sit back and smile about it. At least as long as it's not a Code S. I want Maru to win that G5L more. But a Super Tournament? This result is ok with me, in fact it was what I was expecting all along.
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Wow, I massively underestimated Rogue's form today. He played some absolutely ridiculous ZvT - always love to see good use of burrow. Overall great series by both players.
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On December 03 2021 00:00 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Wow, I massively underestimated Rogue's form today. He played some absolutely ridiculous ZvT - always love to see good use of burrow. Overall great series by both players.
Rogue never used Infestor and Viper if I am not mistaken. No mutalisk, ultralisk or Blord is observed. The game he won mostly based on Lings/Banes surprise attack, and a couple of roaches.
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Maru is almost unbeatable if it get into lategame on equal footing, so Rogue tried his best to throw Maru off his early and mid-game with extreme pressure build. Last GSL Code S it was Roach timing, now its mass ling counter runby, along with the advantage from the map pool. Its time for Maru to get his bunker up, get widow mines everywhere and start to brace for those hit.
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On December 02 2021 23:59 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2021 23:51 JJH777 wrote:
Haven't got to watch the games yet but how does Rogue do this days after losing to Special/Lambo and tying Kelazhur? If it was a few weeks I'd understand somewhat but his forms varies like no one else in SC2. Offline is different vs Online. I'd imagine Rogue is understandably better when he's actually awake and prepared vs when he has to play at off hours in the morning. Also Rogue knows Maru and knows how he thinks. They were teammates for years. He's his archnemesis don't let these Serral fans confuse you, Rogue is the guy who Maru fears the most. Still I'm a fan of both players. And so as long as the result is a 4-3 and one of them wins I can sit back and smile about it. At least as long as it's not a Code S. I want Maru to win that G5L more. But a Super Tournament? This result is ok with me, in fact it was what I was expecting all along.
This would be a decent explanation if pre-Covid Rogue didn't also bomb offline tournaments shortly after winning huge ones.
He's just Rogue
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