On December 02 2021 22:28 tigera6 wrote: Maru went for the exact same play on the exact same location against Scarlett in WTL, so Rogue knew exactly what he went for. Personally I dont mind how that proxy racks played out, because Rogue was forced to make lots of Lings instead of Drone. Then everything went wrong for Maru from the 3 tank push, to the Raven to the dropped Helions. None of those are fatal, but all of them together put him way behind. And Maru wasnt clean enough on blocking the ling run-by from doing huge damage. In the end, Rogue deserve the win, but Maru is still the best TvZ in the world especially in lategame.
Those ling run-bys were giving me IEM 2015 finals flashbacks... Really horrible to watch. This was a series that could have gone in Maru's favor, but I agree that Rogue deserved the win. That last map was especially heartbreaking. Felt like Rogue just knew Maru's whole playbook.
On December 02 2021 22:28 tigera6 wrote: Maru went for the exact same play on the exact same location against Scarlett in WTL, so Rogue knew exactly what he went for. Personally I dont mind how that proxy racks played out, because Rogue was forced to make lots of Lings instead of Drone. Then everything went wrong for Maru from the 3 tank push, to the Raven to the dropped Helions. None of those are fatal, but all of them together put him way behind. And Maru wasnt clean enough on blocking the ling run-by from doing huge damage. In the end, Rogue deserve the win, but Maru is still the best TvZ in the world especially in lategame.
Those ling run-bys were giving me IEM 2015 finals flashbacks... Really horrible to watch. This was a series that could have gone in Maru's favor, but I agree that Rogue deserved the win. That last map was especially heartbreaking. Felt like Rogue just knew Maru's whole playbook.
IEM 2015 was for like $10. He lost Katowice 2018 from not walling his natural properly, and 2020 for leaving it open. They were both for $150k
On December 03 2021 05:27 Obamarauder wrote: Anyone else think ling runbys is just a broken concept? If theres defense up u just back off, but if not u get a crap ton of damage.
On December 03 2021 10:13 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Wow what a match, such impressive play from both Rogue and Maru. What a match to cap off the 2021 year, between Rogue vs Maru 2 of the GOATS <3
What a finals. While I found Maru vs Serral at KOB2 a bit more interesting to watch, this was even better in terms of quality. Rogue is just a different beast to anyone else in these offline series he specially preps for and against players he knows well as well. Just a pure master of strategy, second to none in mindgames, tactics and reading of the game. The way he placed his units, intercepted most of Marus attacks and just straight up outstratagized him was super impressive. It was apparent his mechanics are still not at the best he even admitted that himself but its scary to think that considering his run in the tournament.
And to out-multitask Maru with multiprong attacks is something I probably haven't seen ever. I strongly believe if Rogue just pulled the trigger on chaos he would have edged that game 5. Stopping, sitting back and letting Maru get all those libs and 20 ghosts was GG. But otherwise almost all games today was all Rogue. He had a good build and strat to take game 2 just waited too long and game 3 was just a throw.
Finally I am really surprised Pride wasn't picked by Rogue sooner no Terran wins that map ever lol. Maybe he was that confident that worse case scenario it's going to game7 where I take my freewin? :D
On December 03 2021 10:13 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Wow what a match, such impressive play from both Rogue and Maru. What a match to cap off the 2021 year, between Rogue vs Maru 2 of the GOATS <3
My only wish for the next year is Maru taking IEM Kato trophy while Rogue taking his fourth Code S title. Also, would like to see Clem and Reynor taking part in Code S journey although Reynor attempted to do so before.
On December 03 2021 14:09 swarminfestor wrote: My only wish for the next year is Maru taking IEM Kato trophy while Rogue taking his fourth Code S title. Also, would like to see Clem and Reynor taking part in Code S journey although Reynor attempted to do so before.
COVID makes those latter two wishes difficult to accomplish. In the past I would be thrilled to see as many foreigners as possible in Code S, but these last two years it makes sense that they aren't able to. S. Korea takes COVID VERY seriously, I doubt Reynor and Clem could make the commitment to the tournament at all even if they wanted to.
On December 03 2021 14:09 swarminfestor wrote: My only wish for the next year is Maru taking IEM Kato trophy while Rogue taking his fourth Code S title. Also, would like to see Clem and Reynor taking part in Code S journey although Reynor attempted to do so before.
COVID makes those latter two wishes difficult to accomplish. In the past I would be thrilled to see as many foreigners as possible in Code S, but these last two years it makes sense that they aren't able to. S. Korea takes COVID VERY seriously, I doubt Reynor and Clem could make the commitment to the tournament at all even if they wanted to.
We've seen some foreign fans in the studio, so it's possibility, but the question is how much they wanna sacrifice for this. Also what happened to the foreign house? Without that it would be even harder.
rogue knows he can only beat Maru in early mid game and he executed perfectly. maru really needs to step up his strategy game, why doing 2bb when you can crush him late game?...
On December 03 2021 10:13 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Wow what a match, such impressive play from both Rogue and Maru. What a match to cap off the 2021 year, between Rogue vs Maru 2 of the GOATS <3
I'm happy Rogue won!
The Jaedong and Flash of SC2.
Lol, always moderate takes. Just no.
Not sure why the negative response this post thread when everyone is just being excited. It was absolutely an amazing finals and the way these two played does remind me of a series between Jaedong and Flash. On top of that, these players have truly earned enough to be talked about at JD and Flash level. Let's get back on the same page in appreciation of these two guys.
On December 03 2021 10:13 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Wow what a match, such impressive play from both Rogue and Maru. What a match to cap off the 2021 year, between Rogue vs Maru 2 of the GOATS <3
I'm happy Rogue won!
The Jaedong and Flash of SC2.
Lol, always moderate takes. Just no.
Not sure why the negative response this post thread when everyone is just being excited. It was absolutely an amazing finals and the way these two played does remind me of a series between Jaedong and Flash. On top of that, these players have truly earned enough to be talked about at JD and Flash level. Let's get back on the same page in appreciation of these two guys.
The final was amazing, the comparison was out of place.
On December 04 2021 02:20 cpower wrote: rogue knows he can only beat Maru in early mid game and he executed perfectly. maru really needs to step up his strategy game, why doing 2bb when you can crush him late game?...
Maru cant get on equal footing with Zerg on that Pride map, Rogue will take the gold base and use that economic advantage to crush Maru before it can reach lategame.
On December 03 2021 10:13 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Wow what a match, such impressive play from both Rogue and Maru. What a match to cap off the 2021 year, between Rogue vs Maru 2 of the GOATS <3
I'm happy Rogue won!
The Jaedong and Flash of SC2.
Lol, always moderate takes. Just no.
Not sure why the negative response this post thread when everyone is just being excited. It was absolutely an amazing finals and the way these two played does remind me of a series between Jaedong and Flash. On top of that, these players have truly earned enough to be talked about at JD and Flash level. Let's get back on the same page in appreciation of these two guys.
The final was amazing, the comparison was out of place.
Care to elaborate? I'm genuinely curious because I'm not sure there exist two other players that meet that comparison in SC2.
On December 04 2021 02:20 cpower wrote: rogue knows he can only beat Maru in early mid game and he executed perfectly. maru really needs to step up his strategy game, why doing 2bb when you can crush him late game?...
Rogue is a monster in late game, he’s just scarier when he has some prep time because he’s equally willing to just go and kill you. A player like Serral is much more likely to bet on his ability to grind anyone down in straight up lategame slugfests, and he’s usually right unless he’s playing Maru.
Maru’s super lategame is without peer, but he can’t execute it every game, for one I imagine it’s extremely hard to play on that knife edge without making mistakes, and more importantly you need the architecture of the map to help out.
I don’t think even Maru can pull that style off on Altaris, he took a risk with a proxy that didn’t pay off, but hey that happens and he transitions smoothly out of it, there’s a reason he’s made more money out of proxying buildings than many pros have building in their bases.
It’s just pretty cutthroat at this level when both Rogue and Maru show up and are both playing well, if he made a blunder that last game it was pumping out a Raven and losing it nearly for free.
On December 03 2021 10:13 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Wow what a match, such impressive play from both Rogue and Maru. What a match to cap off the 2021 year, between Rogue vs Maru 2 of the GOATS <3
I'm happy Rogue won!
The Jaedong and Flash of SC2.
Lol, always moderate takes. Just no.
Not sure why the negative response this post thread when everyone is just being excited. It was absolutely an amazing finals and the way these two played does remind me of a series between Jaedong and Flash. On top of that, these players have truly earned enough to be talked about at JD and Flash level. Let's get back on the same page in appreciation of these two guys.
The final was amazing, the comparison was out of place.
Care to elaborate? I'm genuinely curious because I'm not sure there exist two other players that meet that comparison in SC2.
I think the current (lack of) competitiveness of SC2 makes that comparison extremely stupid at best.
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