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On November 30 2021 08:07 J. Corsair wrote:
No zerg slump that I can remember or am I mistaken?
No because infuriatingly whenever it looked in the past like Zerg might be struggling with something it got patched quickly. I say infuriatingly because Blizzard let 2012 and 2019 happen for an entire year or even longer of the dumbest most broken Zerg shit go on before they finally did anything about it.
So no. The longest Zerg slump was in the early goings of WoL. Ever since Zerg has been competitive at least if not overpowered.
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On November 30 2021 08:14 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2021 08:07 J. Corsair wrote:
No zerg slump that I can remember or am I mistaken?
No because infuriatingly whenever it looked in the past like Zerg might be struggling with something it got patched quickly. I say infuriatingly because Blizzard let 2012 and 2019 happen for an entire year or even longer of the dumbest most broken Zerg shit go on before they finally did anything about it. So no. The longest Zerg slump was in the early goings of WoL. Ever since Zerg has been competitive at least if not overpowered.
I'd argue mid-late 2015 was pretty bad for Zerg with Turtle-Mech and 3 Base Blink meta
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On November 30 2021 08:31 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2021 08:14 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 30 2021 08:07 J. Corsair wrote:
No zerg slump that I can remember or am I mistaken?
No because infuriatingly whenever it looked in the past like Zerg might be struggling with something it got patched quickly. I say infuriatingly because Blizzard let 2012 and 2019 happen for an entire year or even longer of the dumbest most broken Zerg shit go on before they finally did anything about it. So no. The longest Zerg slump was in the early goings of WoL. Ever since Zerg has been competitive at least if not overpowered. I'd argue mid-late 2015 was pretty bad for Zerg with Turtle-Mech and 3 Base Blink meta
Blizzard was probably too focused on LotV to fix it quickly?
I am a bit scared for Maru against Solar, especially since every time I predict Solar to lose he wins somehow.
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Before the rise(in chronological order) of Rogue, Serral, Dark(who was already world class in 2016 but had collected significantly second places than successes) and Reynor, Zerg was by far the race with the least victories at "Premier" level; if we exclude the first BL Infestor era in 2012, Zerg as a race had never really been dominant in Sc2.
Zerg really needed an influx of new top tier players capable of actually winning championships; the real problem was the second BL Infestor era in 2019 which, coupled with very unwise nerfs to Protoss, lead to months of nauseating domination.
Zerg have also enjoyed favourable map pools in these last years of LoTV, with some notable exceptions in 2020.
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On November 30 2021 08:51 Xain0n wrote:
Before the rise(in chronological order) of Rogue, Serral, Dark(who was already world class in 2016 but had collected significantly second places than successes) and Reynor, Zerg was by far the race with the least victories at "Premier" level; if we exclude the first BL Infestor era in 2012, Zerg as a race had never really been dominant in Sc2.
Zerg really needed an influx of new top tier players capable of actually winning championships; the real problem was the second BL Infestor era in 2019 which, coupled with very unwise nerfs to Protoss, lead to months of nauseating domination.
Zerg have also enjoyed favourable map pools in these last years of LoTV, with some notable exceptions in 2020.
DRG - 1 Code S
Nestea - 3 Code S
Life - 2 Code S, 1 WC
Soulkey - 1 Code S
Solar - 1 Starleague
And I skipped both RorO and sniper.
Also the lower tournaments were being won by Stephano, Solar, HyuN, Snute, JD, Leenock and others.
It doesn't look as bad as people are pretending, especially considering soO was able to accumulate pretty hefty colleciton of 2nd places.
Edit> and not just soO, just checked Byul and he has 2 2nd places from the Code S and one from SSL. Zergs in slump 
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On November 30 2021 10:14 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2021 08:51 Xain0n wrote:
Before the rise(in chronological order) of Rogue, Serral, Dark(who was already world class in 2016 but had collected significantly second places than successes) and Reynor, Zerg was by far the race with the least victories at "Premier" level; if we exclude the first BL Infestor era in 2012, Zerg as a race had never really been dominant in Sc2.
Zerg really needed an influx of new top tier players capable of actually winning championships; the real problem was the second BL Infestor era in 2019 which, coupled with very unwise nerfs to Protoss, lead to months of nauseating domination.
Zerg have also enjoyed favourable map pools in these last years of LoTV, with some notable exceptions in 2020.
DRG - 1 Code S Nestea - 3 Code S Life - 2 Code S, 1 WC Soulkey - 1 Code S Solar - 1 Starleague And I skipped both RorO and sniper. Also the lower tournaments were being won by Stephano, Solar, HyuN, Snute, JD, Leenock and others. It doesn't look as bad as people are pretending, especially considering soO was able to accumulate pretty hefty colleciton of 2nd places.
You also forgot Fruitdealer and Soulkey as Code S winners; however, overall, Zerg in 2017 was a couple of successful seasons behind the other two races in terms of triumphs(first places), whereas they had collected a significant amount of second places and placements already.
It surely didn't look bad for Zerg before(nothing like, for example, the miserable record of Undead in Warcraft 3) but, just as surely, the least winningnest race orphan of Life needed a new generation of champions.
Fortunately, said champions rose and won; unfortunately they went too far, also because of certain favourable metas/maps which they wouldn't have needed, so that now Zerg is the most successful race in the history of Sc2 by a considerable margin.
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On November 30 2021 08:51 Xain0n wrote:
Before the rise(in chronological order) of Rogue, Serral, Dark(who was already world class in 2016 but had collected significantly second places than successes) and Reynor, Zerg was by far the race with the least victories at "Premier" level; if we exclude the first BL Infestor era in 2012, Zerg as a race had never really been dominant in Sc2.
Zerg really needed an influx of new top tier players capable of actually winning championships; the real problem was the second BL Infestor era in 2019 which, coupled with very unwise nerfs to Protoss, lead to months of nauseating domination.
Zerg have also enjoyed favourable map pools in these last years of LoTV, with some notable exceptions in 2020.
Except Zerg was already the most successful race by a significant amount of prize money even before Rogues 2017 run. Zerg has been at best balanced and at worst OP for 90% of SC2s lifespan. They have never spent any significant amount of time being underpowered aside from 2010 and the first half of 2011. The only reason Zerg hasn't dominated even harder is because soO is a Kong and Life got banned.
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On November 30 2021 14:54 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2021 08:51 Xain0n wrote:
Before the rise(in chronological order) of Rogue, Serral, Dark(who was already world class in 2016 but had collected significantly second places than successes) and Reynor, Zerg was by far the race with the least victories at "Premier" level; if we exclude the first BL Infestor era in 2012, Zerg as a race had never really been dominant in Sc2.
Zerg really needed an influx of new top tier players capable of actually winning championships; the real problem was the second BL Infestor era in 2019 which, coupled with very unwise nerfs to Protoss, lead to months of nauseating domination.
Zerg have also enjoyed favourable map pools in these last years of LoTV, with some notable exceptions in 2020.
Except Zerg was already the most successful race by a significant amount of prize money even before Rogues 2017 run. Zerg has been at best balanced and at worst OP for 90% of SC2s lifespan. They have never spent any significant amount of time being underpowered aside from 2010 and the first half of 2011. The only reason Zerg hasn't dominated even harder is because soO is a Kong and Life got banned.
Oh there you go introducing measurable facts into an argument I thought was already lock solid measurable. How dare you?
Even if there WERE tiny situations where Zerg was at a disadvantage, Blizzard didn't let that slip for long. The Blink meta vs Terran. Infestor Broodlord. The fact the queen needed to be nerfed 3 fucking times in the most recent balance patch..... NYDUS WORMS! HELLO!
All point to a clear bias in how and when the game gets patched. Protoss has an OP build against Zerg? 2-3 months. Zerg has an obvious overpowered late game vs Protoss complete with a unit combination you already were FORCED to nerf 10 fucking years ago? We'll just let this ride out till the end of the year.
The standards are completely lopsided. And the facts prove it, when you look at the data. I'm sick of trying to convince people of the bias. It's there in black and white if someone actually WANTS to find it. Zerg got VERY preferential treatment in terms of Balance Patches for a VERY long while. I watched a niche Terran build that Slayers team introduced get gutted in ONE WEEKEND because it embarassed the hell out of the foreign Zerg players at that tournament. I watched that happen.
Zerg has been protected. FOR A LONG TIME. From the long arm of the balance nerf bat. I've seen it for a long time. It's about time that ended.
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On November 30 2021 19:28 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2021 14:54 JJH777 wrote:On November 30 2021 08:51 Xain0n wrote:
Before the rise(in chronological order) of Rogue, Serral, Dark(who was already world class in 2016 but had collected significantly second places than successes) and Reynor, Zerg was by far the race with the least victories at "Premier" level; if we exclude the first BL Infestor era in 2012, Zerg as a race had never really been dominant in Sc2.
Zerg really needed an influx of new top tier players capable of actually winning championships; the real problem was the second BL Infestor era in 2019 which, coupled with very unwise nerfs to Protoss, lead to months of nauseating domination.
Zerg have also enjoyed favourable map pools in these last years of LoTV, with some notable exceptions in 2020.
Except Zerg was already the most successful race by a significant amount of prize money even before Rogues 2017 run. Zerg has been at best balanced and at worst OP for 90% of SC2s lifespan. They have never spent any significant amount of time being underpowered aside from 2010 and the first half of 2011. The only reason Zerg hasn't dominated even harder is because soO is a Kong and Life got banned. Oh there you go introducing measurable facts into an argument I thought was already lock solid measurable. How dare you? Even if there WERE tiny situations where Zerg was at a disadvantage, Blizzard didn't let that slip for long. The Blink meta vs Terran. Infestor Broodlord. The fact the queen needed to be nerfed 3 fucking times in the most recent balance patch..... NYDUS WORMS! HELLO! All point to a clear bias in how and when the game gets patched. Protoss has an OP build against Zerg? 2-3 months. Zerg has an obvious overpowered late game vs Protoss complete with a unit combination you already were FORCED to nerf 10 fucking years ago? We'll just let this ride out till the end of the year. The standards are completely lopsided. And the facts prove it, when you look at the data. I'm sick of trying to convince people of the bias. It's there in black and white if someone actually WANTS to find it. Zerg got VERY preferential treatment in terms of Balance Patches for a VERY long while. I watched a niche Terran build that Slayers team introduced get gutted in ONE WEEKENED because it embarassed the hell out of the foreign Zerg players at that tournament. I watched that happen. Zerg has been protected. FOR A LONG TIME. From the long arm of the balance nerf bat. I've seen it for a long time. It's about time that ended.
What would be the reason though?
We were a lot to think 2019 happened because blizzard wanted foreigners to succeed, did they think Serral and Reynor would be the most likely to profit of advantages because terran was too hard for foreigners? Or were foreign protoss players not as marketable?
But indeed, I can accept that 2012 was a "mistake" and since HotS was in development, they could not focus too much in time on it. But LotV is the last extension so 2019 is not fortuitous.
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On November 30 2021 20:12 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2021 19:28 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 30 2021 14:54 JJH777 wrote:On November 30 2021 08:51 Xain0n wrote:
Before the rise(in chronological order) of Rogue, Serral, Dark(who was already world class in 2016 but had collected significantly second places than successes) and Reynor, Zerg was by far the race with the least victories at "Premier" level; if we exclude the first BL Infestor era in 2012, Zerg as a race had never really been dominant in Sc2.
Zerg really needed an influx of new top tier players capable of actually winning championships; the real problem was the second BL Infestor era in 2019 which, coupled with very unwise nerfs to Protoss, lead to months of nauseating domination.
Zerg have also enjoyed favourable map pools in these last years of LoTV, with some notable exceptions in 2020.
Except Zerg was already the most successful race by a significant amount of prize money even before Rogues 2017 run. Zerg has been at best balanced and at worst OP for 90% of SC2s lifespan. They have never spent any significant amount of time being underpowered aside from 2010 and the first half of 2011. The only reason Zerg hasn't dominated even harder is because soO is a Kong and Life got banned. Oh there you go introducing measurable facts into an argument I thought was already lock solid measurable. How dare you? Even if there WERE tiny situations where Zerg was at a disadvantage, Blizzard didn't let that slip for long. The Blink meta vs Terran. Infestor Broodlord. The fact the queen needed to be nerfed 3 fucking times in the most recent balance patch..... NYDUS WORMS! HELLO! All point to a clear bias in how and when the game gets patched. Protoss has an OP build against Zerg? 2-3 months. Zerg has an obvious overpowered late game vs Protoss complete with a unit combination you already were FORCED to nerf 10 fucking years ago? We'll just let this ride out till the end of the year. The standards are completely lopsided. And the facts prove it, when you look at the data. I'm sick of trying to convince people of the bias. It's there in black and white if someone actually WANTS to find it. Zerg got VERY preferential treatment in terms of Balance Patches for a VERY long while. I watched a niche Terran build that Slayers team introduced get gutted in ONE WEEKENED because it embarassed the hell out of the foreign Zerg players at that tournament. I watched that happen. Zerg has been protected. FOR A LONG TIME. From the long arm of the balance nerf bat. I've seen it for a long time. It's about time that ended. What would be the reason though? We were a lot to think 2019 happened because blizzard wanted foreigners to succeed, did they think Serral and Reynor would be the most likely to profit of advantages because terran was too hard for foreigners? Or were foreign protoss players not as marketable? But indeed, I can accept that 2012 was a "mistake" and since HotS was in development, they could not focus too much in time on it. But LotV is the last extension so 2019 is not fortuitous.
If you think it's about the foreigner conspiracy, long time the best foreigners were zergs and foreigners were mostly Protoss or Zergs, rarely Special I don't think they've done this on purpose though, well, I mean the foreigner purpose. I may be wrong though.
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On November 30 2021 19:28 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2021 14:54 JJH777 wrote:On November 30 2021 08:51 Xain0n wrote:
Before the rise(in chronological order) of Rogue, Serral, Dark(who was already world class in 2016 but had collected significantly second places than successes) and Reynor, Zerg was by far the race with the least victories at "Premier" level; if we exclude the first BL Infestor era in 2012, Zerg as a race had never really been dominant in Sc2.
Zerg really needed an influx of new top tier players capable of actually winning championships; the real problem was the second BL Infestor era in 2019 which, coupled with very unwise nerfs to Protoss, lead to months of nauseating domination.
Zerg have also enjoyed favourable map pools in these last years of LoTV, with some notable exceptions in 2020.
Except Zerg was already the most successful race by a significant amount of prize money even before Rogues 2017 run. Zerg has been at best balanced and at worst OP for 90% of SC2s lifespan. They have never spent any significant amount of time being underpowered aside from 2010 and the first half of 2011. The only reason Zerg hasn't dominated even harder is because soO is a Kong and Life got banned. Oh there you go introducing measurable facts into an argument I thought was already lock solid measurable. How dare you? Even if there WERE tiny situations where Zerg was at a disadvantage, Blizzard didn't let that slip for long. The Blink meta vs Terran. Infestor Broodlord. The fact the queen needed to be nerfed 3 fucking times in the most recent balance patch..... NYDUS WORMS! HELLO! All point to a clear bias in how and when the game gets patched. Protoss has an OP build against Zerg? 2-3 months. Zerg has an obvious overpowered late game vs Protoss complete with a unit combination you already were FORCED to nerf 10 fucking years ago? We'll just let this ride out till the end of the year. The standards are completely lopsided. And the facts prove it, when you look at the data. I'm sick of trying to convince people of the bias. It's there in black and white if someone actually WANTS to find it. Zerg got VERY preferential treatment in terms of Balance Patches for a VERY long while. I watched a niche Terran build that Slayers team introduced get gutted in ONE WEEKENED because it embarassed the hell out of the foreign Zerg players at that tournament. I watched that happen. Zerg has been protected. FOR A LONG TIME. From the long arm of the balance nerf bat. I've seen it for a long time. It's about time that ended.
I don't think there's any nefarious reason why this is. Its just that with protoss and terran there's often an obvious and singular broken unit that's overpowered. Like warhounds or adepts. With zerg its less obvious because it often not how strong a unit is but how easily that unit enables zerg greed.
For example, I don't think BL-Infestor was really the problem in '12. Nothing really changed with those units prior to 2012. It was the +2 queen range that broke the match up. Even the most recent BL-infestor era I think the main culprit (at least for TvZ) was the +5 baneling hp.
Though I have to say that, notwithstanding the hellbat era, it does seem like terran is nerfed exceedingly swiftly based on singular players or teams without really any time for the meta to adjust. Blue Flame, Snipe, Ravens all seemed like they were nerfed like a week later. Reapers were nerfed because of a singular player (maybe 2 players since uthermal was able to replicate some of byun's success in europe).
Then there's random nerfs like the WM splash decrease in hots that end up having to be reverted.
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Numbers, you say? Here you have.
According to Liquipedia, Zerg's collective earnings in Sc2 are just above 13 millions of dollars compared to the 11 of protoss and 10.5 of Terran; tracking them back to 2017 we find out that, after Rogue's victory at BlizzCon, Zerg players have earned approximately 1.6 millions more than both Protoss and Terran in four years.
So yes, Zerg were already ahead in earnings at the time but by a relatively small margin; take into consideration that foreigners had a significant role in this, being Zerg overwhelmingly the most successful race outside of Korea.
As for tournament victories, at the moment Zerg and Terran share the same number of Premier trophies(98 to 98 but with Zerg having 118 second places to 68), a single trophy ahead of Protoss with 97.
Going back to Rogue's BlizzCon, we find out that Zerg at the time had 28 Premier titles less than Protoss and 25 less than Terran so we can easily state that Zerg was BY FAR the least decorated race at the highest level.
The idea of Blizzard favoring Zerg in order to agevolate the foreigners is simply ridicolous while complaining about Protoss being nerfed in 2019 when everyone and their mothers(on this forum as well) were crying about certain builds being oppressive, after a single Protoss infested Super Tournament, seems out of place.
Blizzard heard the cries and nerfed Protoss, the race everyone loves to hate and the result was the second BL Infestor era...
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On November 30 2021 20:52 Xain0n wrote:
The idea of Blizzard favoring Zerg in order to agevolate the foreigners is simply ridicolous while complaining about Protoss being nerfed in 2019 when everyone and their mothers(on this forum as well) were crying about certain builds being oppressive, after a single Protoss infested Super Tournament, seems out of place.
Blizzard heard the cries and nerfed Protoss, the race everyone loves to hate and the result was the second BL Infestor era...
doesn't this point support the argument that Blizzard (at least in recent years) favored Zerg? People complained about Protoss after 1 tournament and they were instantly nerfed, then people complained about Broodlord/Infestor but it took almost a year until they nerfed it
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On November 30 2021 21:27 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2021 20:52 Xain0n wrote:
The idea of Blizzard favoring Zerg in order to agevolate the foreigners is simply ridicolous while complaining about Protoss being nerfed in 2019 when everyone and their mothers(on this forum as well) were crying about certain builds being oppressive, after a single Protoss infested Super Tournament, seems out of place.
Blizzard heard the cries and nerfed Protoss, the race everyone loves to hate and the result was the second BL Infestor era... doesn't this point support the argument that Blizzard (at least in recent years) favored Zerg? People complained about Protoss after 1 tournament and they were instantly nerfed, then people complained about Broodlord/Infestor but it took almost a year until they nerfed it
Zerg took advantage of the situation, I agree.
However, I don't think there was a plan studied to favor Zerg, Blizzard clearly didn't anticipate what their changes to Protoss would have led to; the real point was that the various problems the company went through lead them to(wrongly) progressively abandon Sc2's support, they were slow to react to the issue their lack of foresight created.
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On November 30 2021 21:27 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2021 20:52 Xain0n wrote:
The idea of Blizzard favoring Zerg in order to agevolate the foreigners is simply ridicolous while complaining about Protoss being nerfed in 2019 when everyone and their mothers(on this forum as well) were crying about certain builds being oppressive, after a single Protoss infested Super Tournament, seems out of place.
Blizzard heard the cries and nerfed Protoss, the race everyone loves to hate and the result was the second BL Infestor era... doesn't this point support the argument that Blizzard (at least in recent years) favored Zerg? People complained about Protoss after 1 tournament and they were instantly nerfed, then people complained about Broodlord/Infestor but it took almost a year until they nerfed it
I think they nerfed Infestors's Infested Terran and nydus meta after Rogue's GSL win and successive rate in GTC 2019? It took a couple of months similar to toss situation, right?
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So what can we do nowadays to change that? There is pretty much only one thing that can be changed: Maps
What kind of map would be needed for Protoss? Long rush distance (no Queenwalk) but still kinda smallish map?
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If Blizzard had to choose one alien race over the other from a storyline and commercial angle, Zerg definitely edges over Toss.
There's more market for Aliens than Predators in the movies.
So if there's any racial bias, the slimey alien bugs always wins!
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Ask the community at any time and the majority will always tell you that they think TvZ is a better match-up overall than the rest. Is it really a surprise to anyone that it's harder to get people to acknowledge an issue with the race that isn't involved in the flagship match-up?
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On November 30 2021 20:52 Xain0n wrote:
Numbers, you say? Here you have.
According to Liquipedia, Zerg's collective earnings in Sc2 are just above 13 millions of dollars compared to the 11 of protoss and 10.5 of Terran; tracking them back to 2017 we find out that, after Rogue's victory at BlizzCon, Zerg players have earned approximately 1.6 millions more than both Protoss and Terran in four years.
So yes, Zerg were already ahead in earnings at the time but by a relatively small margin; take into consideration that foreigners had a significant role in this, being Zerg overwhelmingly the most successful race outside of Korea.
As for tournament victories, at the moment Zerg and Terran share the same number of Premier trophies(98 to 98 but with Zerg having 118 second places to 68), a single trophy ahead of Protoss with 97.
Going back to Rogue's BlizzCon, we find out that Zerg at the time had 28 Premier titles less than Protoss and 25 less than Terran so we can easily state that Zerg was BY FAR the least decorated race at the highest level.
The idea of Blizzard favoring Zerg in order to agevolate the foreigners is simply ridicolous while complaining about Protoss being nerfed in 2019 when everyone and their mothers(on this forum as well) were crying about certain builds being oppressive, after a single Protoss infested Super Tournament, seems out of place.
Blizzard heard the cries and nerfed Protoss, the race everyone loves to hate and the result was the second BL Infestor era...
Where do you get that they've earned 1.6 million more from 2018 to now? They made 1.1 million more in 2018 and 2019 combined. When taken together 2020 and 2021 are basically a wash. Zerg was already well over a million ahead of Terran on 1.1.2018 and was nearly a million ahead of Toss.
I agree that foreigners having more opportunities to earn money has made Zerg overperform slightly in prize money. Though I'm surprised to see you admit that and could swear you've argued the opposite when Serral's been criticized. Either way that doesn't account for a million dollars though. I'm not going to do all that math and digging at the moment but I'd be shocked if even only counting Korean earnings Zerg wasn't still first place.
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On December 01 2021 00:46 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2021 20:52 Xain0n wrote:
Numbers, you say? Here you have.
According to Liquipedia, Zerg's collective earnings in Sc2 are just above 13 millions of dollars compared to the 11 of protoss and 10.5 of Terran; tracking them back to 2017 we find out that, after Rogue's victory at BlizzCon, Zerg players have earned approximately 1.6 millions more than both Protoss and Terran in four years.
So yes, Zerg were already ahead in earnings at the time but by a relatively small margin; take into consideration that foreigners had a significant role in this, being Zerg overwhelmingly the most successful race outside of Korea.
As for tournament victories, at the moment Zerg and Terran share the same number of Premier trophies(98 to 98 but with Zerg having 118 second places to 68), a single trophy ahead of Protoss with 97.
Going back to Rogue's BlizzCon, we find out that Zerg at the time had 28 Premier titles less than Protoss and 25 less than Terran so we can easily state that Zerg was BY FAR the least decorated race at the highest level.
The idea of Blizzard favoring Zerg in order to agevolate the foreigners is simply ridicolous while complaining about Protoss being nerfed in 2019 when everyone and their mothers(on this forum as well) were crying about certain builds being oppressive, after a single Protoss infested Super Tournament, seems out of place.
Blizzard heard the cries and nerfed Protoss, the race everyone loves to hate and the result was the second BL Infestor era... Where do you get that they've earned 1.6 million more from 2018 to now? They made 1.1 million more in 2018 and 2019 combined. When taken together 2020 and 2021 are basically a wash. Zerg was already well over a million ahead of Terran on 1.1.2018 and was nearly a million ahead of Toss. I agree that foreigners having more opportunities to earn money has made Zerg overperform slightly in prize money. Though I'm surprised to see you admit that and could swear you've argued the opposite when Serral's been criticized. Either way that doesn't account for a million dollars though. I'm not going to do all that math and digging at the moment but I'd be shocked if even only counting Korean earnings Zerg wasn't still first place.
I am counting late 2017 as well, BlizzCon alone with Rogue and soO in the finals was a significant swing.
Outside of Korea, Zerg players always were the most successful(with some notable Protoss exceptions), regardless of balance and regardless of how competitive foreigners were/would have been when compared to koreans.
Serral is and was much stronger than any non korean before him, he would have needed no permission in order to grab his titles.
In mid 2017, considering only Korea, I think that Zerg wouln't be ahead in earnings; even if, it would be a slight advantage due to body of work and placements, since they were for sure behind in victories.
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