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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
On September 13 2021 02:44 HeroSandro wrote: I think that Serral and Reynor are still better overall players than Clem. Clem is super good in TvZ, but struggles against top T/P. Let’s not forget cross server lag benefits Zerg | ||
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HeroSandro
535 Posts
On September 13 2021 02:47 geokilla wrote: Let’s not forget cross server lag benefits Zerg Still. Until Clem shows that he can defeat the top koreans consistently, i consider Serral and Reynor to be better overall. | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
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Calliope
297 Posts
On September 13 2021 02:50 HeroSandro wrote: Still. Until Clem shows that he can defeat the top koreans consistently, i consider Serral and Reynor to be better overall. If that is the criteria it has never been possible with any other race than zerg. We seriously need to be able to appreciate foreigners playing the other races too. | ||
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HeroSandro
535 Posts
On September 13 2021 04:04 Calliope wrote: If that is the criteria it has never been possible with any other race than zerg. We seriously need to be able to appreciate foreigners playing the other races too. I´m not disrespecting Clem. He is absolutely a world class player. I was just responding to a comment about Clem, Reynor and Serral. Saying i consider player X to be better than player Y does not mean i do not respect both players. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26512 Posts
On September 13 2021 04:04 Calliope wrote: If that is the criteria it has never been possible with any other race than zerg. We seriously need to be able to appreciate foreigners playing the other races too. Clem’s great, he’s just not as rounded (yet?) Especially during his miracle year Serral was one of if not the best player of his race in all three matchups. Still a bloody excellent player, but apart from maybe DRG with ZvT I can’t think of many high level pros who have a matchup that’s a league above their others. | ||
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dysenterymd
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Kitai
United States880 Posts
On September 13 2021 08:04 Morbidius wrote: PvZ must be the first matchup in history where players of a race declare it to be utterly impossible to play after the best Protoss player gets trashed 6-0 in the matchup that favors him I don't quite get that. He just 3-0'd Dark, the reigning GSL champion, in his prior PvZ series. Also, the only map Serral dropped in the entire tournament was to a protoss. Serral was just that on fire this weekend, wasn't a race issue. | ||
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koalabro
59 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3509 Posts
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tigera6
3482 Posts
On September 13 2021 09:50 Gescom wrote: Wonder if Trap was saving strats for GSL or something. Nevertheless, amazing performance from Serral overall. Not having to play ZvZ helped as well no doubt. Hes playing Maru next and wont play a potential PvZ until the Grand Final, so hiding strats here is just not necessary. It just look like Serral outplay Trap in every aspect of the game and Trap couldnt do anything about it for the entire series. And I am quite suprised that Trap didnt go back to the double Stargate Voidray opening, at least it leads to lategame the last time and Trap could do something better about it in lategame. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On September 13 2021 08:04 Morbidius wrote: PvZ must be the first matchup in history where players of a race declare it to be utterly impossible to play after the best Protoss player gets trashed 6-0 in the matchup that favors him Not true at all, Trap played really poorly in the finals and in the group stage match vs Serral. He made a lot of mistakes, some unforced and others through the brilliance of Serral (also possibly due to lag). If there is anything that would invalidate the claim on Serral absolutely smacking Trap this tourney, it would be Cross Server, I'm sure we see different results if this were offline. 2019 OP Zerg is not a thing anymore. On September 13 2021 08:10 Kitai wrote: I don't quite get that. He just 3-0'd Dark, the reigning GSL champion, in his prior PvZ series. Also, the only map Serral dropped in the entire tournament was to a protoss. Serral was just that on fire this weekend, wasn't a race issue. My only argument is that it was not cross server | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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HeroSandro
535 Posts
On September 13 2021 12:56 Morbidius wrote: Not sure if it was a dominant run by Serral or a long torture session with Trap. Serral played really well, but nothing went Traps way in the finals. You could see on the camera, that he was frustrated as hell. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Add to that I really dont think any protoss could beat a top zerg in the finals of any tournament, the game has been in this state for years. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7142 Posts
On September 13 2021 15:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: Add to that I really dont think any protoss could beat a top zerg in the finals of any tournament, the game has been in this state for years. Ah so that is way Trap 3:0'ed Dark in quarters. Makes perfect sense... And as soon as we have offline play and a Kr loses you will be the first to cry "but Jetlag" | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26512 Posts
On September 13 2021 16:40 Harris1st wrote: Ah so that is way Trap 3:0'ed Dark in quarters. Makes perfect sense... And as soon as we have offline play and a Kr loses you will be the first to cry "but Jetlag" He did say finals. Trap has managed it before in the relatively recent past though, playing better than he did here. In tournament play though a Bo7 against a Zerg generally seems a different beast than managing it earlier in a tournament. To take out a player of Dark’s calibre you have to show your best hand, then when it comes to a Bo7 you’re playing someone of Serral’s calibre who’s seen your best cards already. It’s just the nature of the matchup I guess. Not sure how the matchup numbers actually work out, from intuition it seems Protoss has a considerably easier time in a Bo3, but when we get to Bo7 finals has a generally awful time. | ||
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