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Russian Federation40190 Posts
Alright, did TIME bm Rogue on ladder or what? Because that was pretty brutal.
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3 Foreigner outs vs KR, Reynor is the last hope of EU.
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On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans.
If we go by statistics on aligulac as of the time of this post, scarlett is #36. Which non-koreans are above scarlett? Uthermal, Time, Soul, Special, Astrea, Neeb, Lambo, MaxPax, Elazer, Showtime, HeroMarine, Reynor, Serral and Clem. That would put scarlett as #15 out of the top 16 non-koreans with Mana filling the final 16th spot.
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On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans.
I would 100% put heromarine above her, and probably put Showtime and Neeb as well. And then Lambo and time are likely stronger as well.
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United States837 Posts
On July 04 2021 03:08 lolfail9001 wrote:
Alright, did TIME bm Rogue on ladder or what? Because that was pretty brutal.
TIME looked like he was playing at 80% full capacity, I'm usually impressed with his TvZ, but he never got a great footing in the matches.
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And there goes my hopes of Time advancing ><. O wells, better luck next time fella.
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On one hand this might be raising expectations for an epic maru rogue bo7, but I'm not sure whether to be excited for that either haha based on the gsl finals.
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On July 04 2021 03:08 HolydaKing wrote:
I would say Heromarine, Neeb and Special are better, but Scarletts in top form is really good, it's just that she from what I see often doesn't perform as well as one would think.
She might had guts trying to prolong the games even further. But as the time passed, she kept hesitating or making bad trades ended up with her losing the game.
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On July 04 2021 03:09 tigera6 wrote:
3 Foreigner outs vs KR, Reynor is the last hope of EU.
If Reynor out, then this is the first time we got full of Koreans in the semifinals of DH series, right?
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On July 04 2021 03:09 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans. If we go by statistics on aligulac as of the time of this post, scarlett is #36. Which non-koreans are above scarlett? Uthermal, Time, Soul, Special, Astrea, Neeb, Lambo, MaxPax, Elazer, Showtime, HeroMarine, Reynor, Serral and Clem. That would put scarlett as #15 out of the top 16 non-koreans with Mana filling the final 16th spot.
aligulac measures past performance, and takes time to react to improvements in form. It also tends to underestimate players that thrive in preparation heavy formats.
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On July 04 2021 03:09 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans. If we go by statistics on aligulac as of the time of this post, scarlett is #36. Which non-koreans are above her? Uthermal, Time, Soul, Special, Astrea, Neeb, Lambo, MaxPax, Elazer, Showtime, HeroMarine, Reynor, Serral and Clem. That would put scarlett as #15 out of the top 16 non-koreans with Mana filling the final 16th spot.
Aligulac overrates all of Europe dramatically. I'm surprised it rates Astrea above her. In an important match I would bet on Scarlett over most of that group besides Neeb/Showtime/Special/Time and I would still give her a very high chance vs them.
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On July 04 2021 03:13 Pandain wrote:
On one hand this might be raising expectations for an epic maru rogue bo7, but I'm not sure whether to be excited for that either haha based on the gsl finals.
Considering that Maru is going to have his GSL group later on the same day as the Final, I am not sure how much he want to play into the series, or how willing hes going to play the lategame. The Final will start around 1 or 2am KR time and might finish at 3-4am while GSL start around 6pm. If Maru want to keep himself healthy and ready for the GSL, you might see proxy in every single game or alot of all-in push.
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Canada8989 Posts
On July 04 2021 03:20 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 03:09 ReachTheSky wrote:On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans. If we go by statistics on aligulac as of the time of this post, scarlett is #36. Which non-koreans are above her? Uthermal, Time, Soul, Special, Astrea, Neeb, Lambo, MaxPax, Elazer, Showtime, HeroMarine, Reynor, Serral and Clem. That would put scarlett as #15 out of the top 16 non-koreans with Mana filling the final 16th spot. Aligulac overrates all of Europe dramatically. I'm surprised it rates Astrea above her. In an important match I would bet on Scarlett over most of that group besides Neeb/Showtime/Special/Time and I would still give her a very high chance vs them.
I'd say as much as Scarlett can feel like a choker from time to time, she's definitely prone to overperform in big tournament, in a random online cup I'd say she's rather low in the ranking. But in big tournament, she's capable of pulling off big upset in a way many other foreigner aren't.
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On July 04 2021 03:15 warnull wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 03:09 ReachTheSky wrote:On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans. If we go by statistics on aligulac as of the time of this post, scarlett is #36. Which non-koreans are above scarlett? Uthermal, Time, Soul, Special, Astrea, Neeb, Lambo, MaxPax, Elazer, Showtime, HeroMarine, Reynor, Serral and Clem. That would put scarlett as #15 out of the top 16 non-koreans with Mana filling the final 16th spot. aligulac measures past performance, and takes time to react to improvements in form. It also tends to underestimate players that thrive in preparation heavy formats.
Right, but when we are taking skill level into consideration, we have to include and reflect on past performances which is what aligulac does. Being a top 16 non-korean is nothing to scoff at.
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On July 04 2021 03:24 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 03:20 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 03:09 ReachTheSky wrote:On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans. If we go by statistics on aligulac as of the time of this post, scarlett is #36. Which non-koreans are above her? Uthermal, Time, Soul, Special, Astrea, Neeb, Lambo, MaxPax, Elazer, Showtime, HeroMarine, Reynor, Serral and Clem. That would put scarlett as #15 out of the top 16 non-koreans with Mana filling the final 16th spot. Aligulac overrates all of Europe dramatically. I'm surprised it rates Astrea above her. In an important match I would bet on Scarlett over most of that group besides Neeb/Showtime/Special/Time and I would still give her a very high chance vs them. I'd say as much as Scarlett can feel like a choker from time to time, she's definitely prone to overperform in big tournament, in a random online cup I'd say she's rather low in the ranking. But in big tournament, she's capable of pulling off big upset in a way many other foreigner aren't.
When was the last time Scarlett overperformed in a notable tournament before she got out of the group stage here?
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On July 04 2021 03:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 03:24 Nakajin wrote:On July 04 2021 03:20 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 03:09 ReachTheSky wrote:On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans. If we go by statistics on aligulac as of the time of this post, scarlett is #36. Which non-koreans are above her? Uthermal, Time, Soul, Special, Astrea, Neeb, Lambo, MaxPax, Elazer, Showtime, HeroMarine, Reynor, Serral and Clem. That would put scarlett as #15 out of the top 16 non-koreans with Mana filling the final 16th spot. Aligulac overrates all of Europe dramatically. I'm surprised it rates Astrea above her. In an important match I would bet on Scarlett over most of that group besides Neeb/Showtime/Special/Time and I would still give her a very high chance vs them. I'd say as much as Scarlett can feel like a choker from time to time, she's definitely prone to overperform in big tournament, in a random online cup I'd say she's rather low in the ranking. But in big tournament, she's capable of pulling off big upset in a way many other foreigner aren't. When was the last time Scarlett overperformed in a notable tournament before she got out of the group stage here?
IEM Pyongyang i guess
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On July 04 2021 03:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 03:24 Nakajin wrote:On July 04 2021 03:20 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 03:09 ReachTheSky wrote:On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans. If we go by statistics on aligulac as of the time of this post, scarlett is #36. Which non-koreans are above her? Uthermal, Time, Soul, Special, Astrea, Neeb, Lambo, MaxPax, Elazer, Showtime, HeroMarine, Reynor, Serral and Clem. That would put scarlett as #15 out of the top 16 non-koreans with Mana filling the final 16th spot. Aligulac overrates all of Europe dramatically. I'm surprised it rates Astrea above her. In an important match I would bet on Scarlett over most of that group besides Neeb/Showtime/Special/Time and I would still give her a very high chance vs them. I'd say as much as Scarlett can feel like a choker from time to time, she's definitely prone to overperform in big tournament, in a random online cup I'd say she's rather low in the ranking. But in big tournament, she's capable of pulling off big upset in a way many other foreigner aren't. When was the last time Scarlett overperformed in a notable tournament before she got out of the group stage here?
Scarlett was in GSL Ro16 both seasons last year, and won DreamHack Fall NA.
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Canada8989 Posts
On July 04 2021 03:36 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 03:35 Elentos wrote:On July 04 2021 03:24 Nakajin wrote:On July 04 2021 03:20 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 03:09 ReachTheSky wrote:On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans. If we go by statistics on aligulac as of the time of this post, scarlett is #36. Which non-koreans are above her? Uthermal, Time, Soul, Special, Astrea, Neeb, Lambo, MaxPax, Elazer, Showtime, HeroMarine, Reynor, Serral and Clem. That would put scarlett as #15 out of the top 16 non-koreans with Mana filling the final 16th spot. Aligulac overrates all of Europe dramatically. I'm surprised it rates Astrea above her. In an important match I would bet on Scarlett over most of that group besides Neeb/Showtime/Special/Time and I would still give her a very high chance vs them. I'd say as much as Scarlett can feel like a choker from time to time, she's definitely prone to overperform in big tournament, in a random online cup I'd say she's rather low in the ranking. But in big tournament, she's capable of pulling off big upset in a way many other foreigner aren't. When was the last time Scarlett overperformed in a notable tournament before she got out of the group stage here? IEM Pyongyang i guess
WESG at least, I think she did too in GSL last year personally and even Dreamhack/WCS NA. In any case it's better then HM, Soul, Showtime even, that pretty much never punch above their weight in big event.
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On July 04 2021 03:35 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 03:24 Nakajin wrote:On July 04 2021 03:20 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 03:09 ReachTheSky wrote:On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans. If we go by statistics on aligulac as of the time of this post, scarlett is #36. Which non-koreans are above her? Uthermal, Time, Soul, Special, Astrea, Neeb, Lambo, MaxPax, Elazer, Showtime, HeroMarine, Reynor, Serral and Clem. That would put scarlett as #15 out of the top 16 non-koreans with Mana filling the final 16th spot. Aligulac overrates all of Europe dramatically. I'm surprised it rates Astrea above her. In an important match I would bet on Scarlett over most of that group besides Neeb/Showtime/Special/Time and I would still give her a very high chance vs them. I'd say as much as Scarlett can feel like a choker from time to time, she's definitely prone to overperform in big tournament, in a random online cup I'd say she's rather low in the ranking. But in big tournament, she's capable of pulling off big upset in a way many other foreigner aren't. When was the last time Scarlett overperformed in a notable tournament before she got out of the group stage here?
GSL season 1 2020 and WESG 2019 were good performances.
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On July 04 2021 03:43 warnull wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 03:35 Elentos wrote:On July 04 2021 03:24 Nakajin wrote:On July 04 2021 03:20 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 03:09 ReachTheSky wrote:On July 04 2021 02:59 JJH777 wrote:On July 04 2021 02:50 Pandain wrote:
I feel like this is one of the worst season finals in a while, even in ro8 we have pretty mismatched rounds. And even inno advancing to the semifinals beating only (not even top 5) foreigners.
Hoping for a good ro4 and onwards How do you support Scarlett not being a top 5 foreigner? Who is clearly better than her currently besides Serral/Reynor/Clem? She is definitely in the tier immediately below them and everyone in that tier is roughly equal imo without enough clear evidence to order it because of the lack of cross region tournaments without Koreans. If we go by statistics on aligulac as of the time of this post, scarlett is #36. Which non-koreans are above her? Uthermal, Time, Soul, Special, Astrea, Neeb, Lambo, MaxPax, Elazer, Showtime, HeroMarine, Reynor, Serral and Clem. That would put scarlett as #15 out of the top 16 non-koreans with Mana filling the final 16th spot. Aligulac overrates all of Europe dramatically. I'm surprised it rates Astrea above her. In an important match I would bet on Scarlett over most of that group besides Neeb/Showtime/Special/Time and I would still give her a very high chance vs them. I'd say as much as Scarlett can feel like a choker from time to time, she's definitely prone to overperform in big tournament, in a random online cup I'd say she's rather low in the ranking. But in big tournament, she's capable of pulling off big upset in a way many other foreigner aren't. When was the last time Scarlett overperformed in a notable tournament before she got out of the group stage here? Scarlett was in GSL Ro16 both seasons last year, and won DreamHack Fall NA.
I don't think the first counts as overperforming and the second most definitely isn't a notable tournament. Nor an overperformance considering anything less than top 3 in NA is already underperforming.
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