EPTPvP is so much better than in the past though. Even ZvZ is decent right now. I don't think there has been a better period in the past to fully enjoy a tournament than now.
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Xamo
Spain886 Posts
PvP is so much better than in the past though. Even ZvZ is decent right now. I don't think there has been a better period in the past to fully enjoy a tournament than now. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:20 Nakajin wrote: To be fair, I hated the Flash and JD bias too  Mostly because I wanted my Scarlett over hype It's fine to hate it, it's something else to be constantly whining about it in threads. That's balance whine territory. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:20 Fango wrote: People have complained about caster bias forever. It's just when the reason behind it is ethnicity as opposed to legacy or history as a player, it comes across as a lot worse. When Serral first started winning everything the foreigner angle was completely appropriate, as that level of play from a non-Korean hadn't ever been seen before. At this point when there are constantly 2 non-Koreans (maybe even a third?) with a chance to win it all it's a bit silly. | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:19 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Casters have always had massive favourites. Do you think Fruitdealer and IntoTheRainbow went into that first GSL final with equal levels of hype? Do you know the story of Clide, the greatest player to never win anything? And let's not even get started on Flash and Jaedong, which was the most biased any caster has ever been in the history of StarCraft 2. Oh, but they're RTS legends, say people who would never dream of giving that kind of treatment to Moon and Grubby. Caster bias only ever became a problem when it started happening to non-Koreans. The same happen in wc3 when Happy decided to compet in China's leagues, back2warcraft were super hyped to see a foreigner doing well and people were criticizing them for it. Honestly it was kinda sad because they are really the ones who allowed the western to survive but shits happen I guess. | ||
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Parser
Italy88 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:00 MarianoSC2 wrote: So frustrating that some people can be this lucky. Reynor got totally destroyed and outclassed in the first 2 games and then Maru and lady luck decided to gift him the series for some reason: - Lucky build orders - Marus play and macro slowing down due to shoulder pain - Open walls - Maru even had the last game won despite his macro being way slower than previos games. All he had to do was attack Reynor before he established his bases and built infestors but he just waited there to die Oh well, its up to you Zest to stop this nonsense now. It would be a huge disappointment and very underserving if someone won the world championship solely based off luck. Delusional analysis at his finest. These are my views on your points -reynor convincingly won all the early games. Maru almost refused to play midgames, clear sign of fearing that stage. I do not see where luck was -i do not think anyone can argue about maru shoulder condition. His shoulder did not prevent him to get to semifinals, so using this now seems an excuse on his loss -managing walls is an important part in TvZ, if maru has not been able to do it sometimes it is an error, and errors make players lose -Maru was in a good position in the last game yet he did not manage to win. We can debate if it was a throw or Reynor skill there To say that reynor arrived here because of luck is really offensive, but i see some bias here | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9041 Posts
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Zergiica
Croatia128 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:19 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Casters have always had massive favourites. Do you think Fruitdealer and IntoTheRainbow went into that first GSL final with equal levels of hype? Do you know the story of Clide, the greatest player to never win anything? And let's not even get started on Flash and Jaedong, which was the most biased any caster has ever been in the history of StarCraft 2. Oh, but they're RTS legends, say people who would never dream of giving that kind of treatment to Moon and Grubby. Caster bias only ever became a problem when it started happening to non-Koreans. moon or grubby weren't sc players and they were never that good in sc2. bad example. and you probably don't remember stephano/idra/thorzain/scarlett era. they were biased, oh, they were. and it is normal. like it was normal to cast like that in a game where one player does everything like he should to and in the end doesn't win. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Well done, Riccardo! Either him winning or a Protoss after six years, not bad. While casters may be biased at times in favor of foreigners(Pig was actually telling Reynor to attack when he found one of Maru's bases undefended), they pay great respect to the koreans and hype them almost as much. Many users in this forum perceive this as sickening foreign bias and try to counterbalance with senseless statements and unforgivable disrespect. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:21 Fanatic-Templar wrote: It's fine to hate it, it's something else to be constantly whining about it in threads. That's balance whine territory. Y'a fair enough, I'll try to stop it (to my defense I think it's the first time I've gotten this mad about it in a thread before). Back to the game! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26739 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:20 Fango wrote: People have complained about caster bias forever. It's just when the reason behind it is ethnicity as opposed to legacy or history as a player, it comes across as a lot worse. Legacy/history bias I think is needed to kind of frame things with viewers who aren’t super familiar with the scene. I mean if you knew nothing about tennis and tuned in and the commentators were like ‘yeah Roger Federer is some bloke who plays tennis’ it’d be a bit strange. When they bang on about foreign player x and barely mention anything the Korean it’s irksome though. It’s annoyed me with Trap on the circuit forever, you wouldn’t know he was a 2x GSL finalist sometimes. Stats vs Reynor was the peak of annoyance though, one of the all time greats who may be playing his last big tournament and it wasn’t even mentioned, for no reason! | ||
Waxangel
United States33594 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:22 Xain0n wrote: Ah, I truly enjoyed this. Well done, Riccardo! Either him winning or a Protoss after six years, not bad. While casters may be biased at times in favor of foreigners(Pig was actually telling Reynor to attack when he found one of Maru's bases undefended), they pay great respect to the koreans and hype them almost as much. Many users in this forum perceive this as sickening foreign bias and try to counterbalance with senseless statements and unforgivable disrespect. I don't see any unforgivable disrespect, unless you think that saying someone won the series as they were lucky is "unforgivable". That kind of stuff happens on a pretty regular basis in just about any sport. It's just regular disrespect  | ||
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Creager
Germany1923 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:22 dysenterymd wrote: When Serral first started winning everything the foreigner angle was completely appropriate, as that level of play from a non-Korean hadn't ever been seen before. At this point when there are constantly 2 non-Koreans (maybe even a third?) with a chance to win it all it's a bit silly. Yeah I think at this point this 'Korea vs the World' narrative just needs to die, but a lot of people just can't let go, I guess. You'll just have players from different countries duking it out, as at this point I don't even have much of an idea what teams are supposed to be other than covering traveling costs and providing some basic income/sponsorship as opposed to actually improving the players' abilities. | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:22 Zergiica wrote: moon or grubby weren't sc players and they were never that good in sc2. bad example. and you probably don't remember stephano/idra/thorzain/scarlett era. they were biased, oh, they were. and it is normal. like it was normal to cast like that in a game where one player does everything like he should to and in the end doesn't win. Stephano was as overhyped as Serral maybe even more I'd say but he was winning less so ppl didn't care as much. (even if you can find some pretty heated threads on TL) | ||
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Legan
Finland577 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:14 Waxangel wrote: You can tell someone is a truly passionate SC2 fan by their inability to enjoy the games haha so true, I am happy I'm no longer that invested. It sucks to critique everything instead of just enjoying it. | ||
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sneakyfox
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 01 2021 01:24 WombaT wrote: . Stats vs Reynor was the peak of annoyance though, one of the all time greats who may be playing his last big tournament and it wasn’t even mentioned, for no reason! The worst I can remember was Stats vs Serral at ASUS ROG. You wouldn't even know who Serral was playing against if had only audio | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
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catplanetcatplanet
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