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Elentos
55594 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:01 DiMano wrote: I agree, you can just look at TY's multitask vs Stats in GSL and now, it seems like his double has played now. TY is the easiest example. There's leagues of difference between GSL where he puts in his blood and soul and online events where he just recycles the same few builds in half-assed games and sees how far it can take him. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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buzz_bender
446 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:02 CraigWT wrote: Koreans.... According to Time, almost all Koreans haven't practiced hard since GSL is over. They just don't care this tournament. If we cannot have offline global tournament next year, I'm pretty sure Korean sc2 will totally die then Unfortunately, this is something that ESL or the casters can't bring up as it'll just kill the hype of the tournament, while this gives an opportunity for foreign fans to claim that the foreign players have surpassed the Koreans. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 14 2020 23:54 Die4Ever wrote: I feel like this happens all the time in online tournaments, even back to TSL3 everyone was like "OMG koreans bad, foreigners good?"... online tournaments just don't really amount to anything but people keep forgetting Ah, so how comes a similar thing happened offline in Korea(GLS vs the World 2019)? No one would believe the results of this DH finals set in stone that foreigners have overtaken koreans, the situation seems to fluctuate and we also have tournaments that koreans dominate in old fashion. However, you have to accept the fact there are now foreigners who can, sometimes, be superior to even the best koreans and respect the fact that even the other strong foreigners can be competitive against them. With Clem and Reynor on the rise, Serral still an absolute beast and Neeb apparently back to his 2016/2017's level, non korean Sc2 may have never looked that strong. | ||
Waxangel
United States33708 Posts
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Zergiica
Croatia129 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:02 CraigWT wrote: Koreans.... According to Time, almost all Koreans haven't practiced hard since GSL is over. They just don't care this tournament. If we cannot have offline global tournament next year, I'm pretty sure Korean sc2 will totally die then well, i don't understand it. you have a chance to earn 10k+ USD while sitting at home. and you don't care? i would like to hear a reason for it. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:02 CraigWT wrote: Koreans.... According to Time, almost all Koreans haven't practiced hard since GSL is over. They just don't care this tournament. If we cannot have offline global tournament next year, I'm pretty sure Korean sc2 will totally die then Pretty common for them to take breaks after Code S. And the ones in this tournament don't exactly have to worry much about qualifying for Katowice so it's not exactly a fight for their life. They'll probably start putting in more hours around Super Tournament but after that the next offline tournament seems so far away. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:07 Zergiica wrote: well, i don't understand it. you have a chance to earn 10k+ USD while sitting at home. and you don't care? i would like to hear a reason for it. This, that is why we need interviews with them, TL stuff plz make it happen  Now with CranK it can be much easier | ||
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sneakyfox
8218 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:05 buzz_bender wrote: Unfortunately, this is something that ESL or the casters can't bring up as it'll just kill the hype of the tournament, while this gives an opportunity for foreign fans to claim that the foreign players have surpassed the Koreans. I honestly don't think so. There should be no problem in saying that Neeb played well and hyping his success while acknowledging that TY played like crap (and, more generally, that there are factors like online and cross-server which matter). Starcraft watchers have generally been around for a while and are quite committed to the game -- imo the broadcast doesn't actually need to try to score cheap points by peddling over-simplistic narratives. | ||
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buzz_bender
446 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:07 Zergiica wrote: well, i don't understand it. you have a chance to earn 10k+ USD while sitting at home. and you don't care? i would like to hear a reason for it. Because most of them already have won hundreds of thousands of dollars and 10k+ USD is nothing much for them? It is only Armani that is the least accomplished of the bunch. | ||
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sneakyfox
8218 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:09 DiMano wrote: This, that is why we need interviews with them, TL stuff plz make it happen Now with CranK it can be much easier Oh god yes, they should put that in Crank's contract! | ||
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
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buzz_bender
446 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:09 sneakyfox wrote: I honestly don't think so. There should be no problem in saying that Neeb played well and hyping his success while acknowledging that TY played like crap (and, more generally, that there are factors like online and cross-server which matter). Starcraft watchers have generally been around for a while and are quite committed to the game -- imo the broadcast doesn't actually need to try to score cheap points by peddling over-simplistic narratives. Thinking about it, I think you're right. I think they could do it in a way that lets the viewers know the circumstances surrounding the tournament and bring those factors in. One thing that I've noticed in most of the SC2 tournaments is that the casters don't bring up a lot of personal/situational circumstances and discuss how those impact performances. Those sorts of things are discussed all the time in traditional sports. | ||
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Penev
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:07 Zergiica wrote: well, i don't understand it. you have a chance to earn 10k+ USD while sitting at home. and you don't care? i would like to hear a reason for it. Trap seemed to care judging from his reactions, by the way. King of Battles was played online one month ago, it had a smaller prize pool and was not worth ESL points either; koreans won big. Did they care? Foreigners didn't care? | ||
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sneakyfox
8218 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:09 buzz_bender wrote: Because most of them already have won hundreds of thousands of dollars and 10k+ USD is nothing much for them? It is only Armani that is the least accomplished of the bunch. Of course they like money. It's more that you have to focus your time and energy somewhere, and they do that with GSL and Katowice/Blizzcon. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4136 Posts
- hey do you want to play 3 matches and possibly win some $? - not really, no - ok so you are not joining, are you? - why, ofc im joining, I will most definitely play. I'll probably be super lazy and generally bad since i don't care much, but ofc i do appreciate playing at 3am when i don't care. I don't get this logic. | ||
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
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sneakyfox
8218 Posts
On November 15 2020 00:11 buzz_bender wrote: Thinking about it, I think you're right. I think they could do it in a way that lets the viewers know the circumstances surrounding the tournament and bring those factors in. One thing that I've noticed in most of the SC2 tournaments is that the casters don't bring up a lot of personal/situational circumstances and discuss how those impact performances. Those sorts of things are discussed all the time in traditional sports. Exactly, that stuff is good content. People who are in to something generally like to delve in to stuff like that. | ||
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