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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:35 Charoisaur wrote: the game would've been over long ago if ByuN killed the top right base but at least we got the goty this way The series would have been over long ago if ByuN attacked in game 3 instead of pulling his whole army back to not kill any mutas  | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:36 Charoisaur wrote: and now we get Maru vs Reynor. Best day of sc2 this year? Imagine if it was on LAN and any of these players could micro properly | ||
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ilax30
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Penev
28536 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:37 Elentos wrote: I hope people will never stop whining after 40 minute back and forth games that could have gone either way especially when the whining is about whines whine whining ftw! | ||
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Durnuu
13326 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:37 TaKeTV wrote: to give some perspective on Serrals mistake vs the mines. The decider game was on US West - the worse ping/server for him. Obviously THAT didn't cost him the game but it makes the mistake a bit more understandable. I mean, ping doesn't matter, when you see your mutas don't one shot the first mine, I can understand you think you made a micro mistake and go for the 2nd one. But when they don't one shot the 2nd one either, you back off, plain and simple. That's not mentioning going for the 4th mine... I do agree it didn't cost him the game however | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4147 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:33 Fango wrote: He had some good engagements, but he also had some bad ones. If he micro'd properly he wins this game earlier, and also probably takes game 3 and the series 3-0. In that big fight he should have won with enough supply left over that Serral GGs straight away. Thing is if he’d micro everything perfectly high chance he wouldn’t have macroed that well and build the right units and generate those multifront attacks and build defense (which many terrans forget) and set up mine fields etc etc. You sacrifice somewhere to be better in other areas and its the final result that counts | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:37 ilax30 wrote: Because muta’s get value pretty much everytime. They can force an entire terran army back when you want to buy time, or force a terran to be completely all in after killing 15+ scv’s. Ghosts are mostly there for the ultra’s while top lvl zergs can dodge mines just fine with a overseer Yes in midgame this is the case. But in super lategame when it's all about efficiency they don't really do anything | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:37 ilax30 wrote: Because muta’s get value pretty much everytime. They can force an entire terran army back when you want to buy time, or force a terran to be completely all in after killing 15+ scv’s. Ghosts are mostly there for the ultra’s while top lvl zergs can dodge mines just fine with a overseer Ghosts snipe os mutas, serral lost around 25 mutas to ghosts and they produced nothing. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1201 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:39 Durnuu wrote: I mean, ping doesn't matter, when you see your mutas don't one shot the first mine, I can understand you think you made a micro mistake and go for the 2nd one. But when they don't one shot the 2nd one either, you back off, plain and simple. That's not mentioning going for the 4th mine... Yes, but it still gives it a bit of value. You see this in CS sometimes when someone steps and is out of rhythm and goes for another time, you are still out of it. He should have backed off. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4147 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:41 TaKeTV wrote: Yes, but it still gives it a bit of value. You see this in CS sometimes when someone steps and is out of rhythm and goes for another time, you are still out of it. He should have backed off. that felt a lot like fatigue to be honest... the game was not just long it was long and action packed, so i guess Byun’s endurance was quite stronger here. Maybe not, im only assuming | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:40 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Thing is if he’d micro everything perfectly high chance he wouldn’t have macroed that well and build the right units and generate those multifront attacks and build defense (which many terrans forget) and set up mine fields etc etc. You sacrifice somewhere to be better in other areas and its the final result that counts It's not like he wan't controlling his units in order to macro or do something else. He was micro'ing them, just not as well as he should be able to. | ||
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lostusername123
47 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:41 stilt wrote: Ghosts snipe os mutas, serral lost around 25 mutas to ghosts and they produced nothing. What unit you suggest Zerg build in that situation? The only way is if he went lurker way earlier, ultras are garbage so are brood lord's. | ||
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encoded_evil
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Penev
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:44 lostusername123 wrote: What unit you suggest Zerg build in that situation? The only way is if he went lurker way earlier, ultras are garbage so are brood lord's. It's better to have garbage units than useless ones. And as Lambo suggested, Broodlord was probably the best way to get semi efficient trade. Or just having more bane. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:46 Argonauta wrote: Can maru stop like doing this? is superduper figured out After the WeSG final against Dark he's obliged to keep doing it at this point | ||
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lostusername123
47 Posts
On November 30 2020 02:46 stilt wrote: It's better have garbage units than useless ones. And as Lambo suggested, Broodlord was probably the best way to get semi efficient trade. Or just having more bane. The mutas were literally the only unit doing anything, because Byun just didn't build turrets on the 2 bases he had to hold, brood lords are simply too garbage but maybe it was a better choice, regardless it was a loss anyway once Byun took that bottom left bases, just too much econ for Serral to ever keep up. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
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Elentos
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