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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
The point about Maru vs Serral was never about finding out who is actually the best players its just about wanting to see two such different but legendary players clash. Who is actually the best will never be decided by one bo5, yet one bo3. Offline or online how about letting us be hype! dont be anti hype | ||
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Kitai
United States880 Posts
On October 02 2020 07:15 Shuffleblade wrote: Maru vs Serral is hype as hell, crosserver or not who cares. Its not like Serral is unbeatable by koreans because of server lag, sure it is a bit of an advantage but it doesn't mean the conclusion is already written. Its still two amazing players facing eachother. The point about Maru vs Serral was never about finding out who is actually the best players its just about wanting to see two such different but legendary players clash. Who is actually the best will never be decided by one bo5, yet one bo3. Offline or online how about letting us be hype! dont be anti hype That's fair - even though I'm not anticipating it as much as I would have been a year ago, I shouldn't sour other people's excitement. I hope it's every bit as wondrous as you hope it will be :D | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Can we all agree Zerg is the race least affected by ping? | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On October 02 2020 06:46 Kitai wrote: Serral vs. Maru is like George R. R. Martin releasing book 6 of a Song of Ice and Fire. We all really wanted it at some point, but now it's been so long and there's so much other good stuff out there it's hard to get hyped =( This hits too close to home | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On October 02 2020 03:00 deacon.frost wrote: I wrote in the past 3 years, since having so long zerg one race dominant is slightly weird, isn't it?  Nope, as long as its Serral or Reynor winning its fine  | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7058 Posts
On October 02 2020 08:35 [Phantom] wrote: Since this will be online. Can we all agree Zerg is the race least affected by ping? No | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On October 02 2020 06:46 Kitai wrote: Serral vs. Maru is like George R. R. Martin releasing book 6 of a Song of Ice and Fire. We all really wanted it at some point, but now it's been so long and there's so much other good stuff out there it's hard to get hyped =( Nah I am still looking forward to a potentially good starcraft match at least. Could not care less about GRRM books though at this point, the writer is utter joke. Props to him for creating an interesting universe, but I suppose he should have left the storytelling to a better writer because he seems more and more lost and clueless since book 4 :/ And the last season of GOT destroyed any last glimmer of hype I had for this saga unfortunately. Its a shame but it is what it is | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
I mean yes it is, it very clearly is. As long as we don't use that as the default excuse for every result we didn't want to see and to downgrade the entire event there's nothing wrong with saying that. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7058 Posts
On October 02 2020 16:56 Elentos wrote: I mean yes it is, it very clearly is. As long as we don't use that as the default excuse for every result we didn't want to see and to downgrade the entire event there's nothing wrong with saying that. I can agree that Terran bio is very micro heavy. But what about Mech? No micro at all. What about Muta? A lot of micro. What about Golden Armada? A-move + a storm here or there So in a general sense: No! I don't agree | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
On October 02 2020 17:27 Harris1st wrote: I can agree that Terran bio is very micro heavy. But what about Mech? No micro at all. What about Muta? A lot of micro. What about Golden Armada? A-move + a storm here or there So in a general sense: No! I don't agree Right because the Protoss just spawns in with carrier/storm armies and doesn't have to get there with a defense that falls apart completely if their spellcasting isn't on point. Pros also don't micro their mech armies at all, that's why we see it every game in these events instead of bio because it's so strong it works without you needing to do anything. Not to say Zerg isn't affected by lag at all or that there aren't situations where things get harder for them than for the other races, but overall cross server play does them more of a favor than the other races. | ||
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Poopi
France12908 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7058 Posts
On October 02 2020 17:40 Elentos wrote: Right because the Protoss just spawns in with carrier/storm armies and doesn't have to get there with a defense that falls apart completely if their spellcasting isn't on point. Pros also don't micro their mech armies at all, that's why we see it every game in these events instead of bio because it's so strong it works without you needing to do anything. Not to say Zerg isn't affected by lag at all or that there aren't situations where things get harder for them than for the other races, but overall cross server play does them more of a favor than the other races. Pretty much exactly my point. It is very situational, that's why I won't flatout agree to such a general statement. Things can go very wrong for a Zerg, too. For example two mines can wreck your whole muta flock if reaction is half a second too late and this will lose you the game most likely. And I didn't say mech is super strong but it is the playstyle that micro lazy and old people like me favor over bio  When I play TvZ on ladder I always go mech cause I'm to slow and regularly lose 20 marines to 2 banelings | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On October 02 2020 18:38 Harris1st wrote: And I didn't say mech is super strong but it is the playstyle that micro lazy and old people like me favor over bio When I play TvZ on ladder I always go mech cause I'm to slow and regularly lose 20 marines to 2 banelings That is exactly my experience as well. But I am very, very far from pro level and I going to make the bold guess that you are too. A-moving the mech deathball is just not something they can do, then they just get wrecked. Besides, the fact that so many top Terrans prefer bio over mech even when playing on 200 ms ping says quite a bit about the strength of mech at pro level imo. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On October 02 2020 18:38 Harris1st wrote: Pretty much exactly my point. It is very situational, that's why I won't flatout agree to such a general statement. Things can go very wrong for a Zerg, too. For example two mines can wreck your whole muta flock if reaction is half a second too late and this will lose you the game most likely. And I didn't say mech is super strong but it is the playstyle that micro lazy and old people like me favor over bio When I play TvZ on ladder I always go mech cause I'm to slow and regularly lose 20 marines to 2 banelings I sincerely hope you are not serious with this post :D | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
Overall I think the statement is correct. Which makes sense, due to the way the race is designed in the first place. It does not mean that it is the case in absolutely every situation, but overall Zerg seem to be the least affected. Especially in standard games in each matchup this seems to be the case. Set up has always been more important for Zerg than infight execution, imo. Which doesn‘t mean that Zerg just A-Move their army around once being in a good position, of course. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Even beyond that, neither Maru or Serral are in their best shape. It's not going to settle anything regardless of who wins. Maru apparently has a broken spine and has to be in the hospital 3x a week, so there's a 0% chance he's practicing like normal. Even Serral isn't in his best shape given its impossible to stay that consistent in an online era (people forget his big LAN wins are all months apart, he didn't play in weekly online cups. Then you add on the litter of 'its online' and 'ping issues' yada yada. People will be disappointed even if the games turn out good, which they won't because it's a cross-server TvZ and you're talking about players known specifically for perfect micro/multitasking and mechanics. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 02 2020 19:24 sneakyfox wrote: That is exactly my experience as well. But I am very, very far from pro level and I going to make the bold guess that you are too. A-moving the mech deathball is just not something they can do, then they just get wrecked. Besides, the fact that so many top Terrans prefer bio over mech even when playing on 200 ms ping says quite a bit about the strength of mech at pro level imo. Mech is unplayable against a zerg as good as Reynor or Serral. They will pick off every unit you have with vipers and there's nothing you can do about it. Although on the other hand if you play bio on that kind of ping you're going to lose it all to banelings, so honestly good luck beating Reynor or Serral in general really. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7058 Posts
On October 02 2020 19:24 sneakyfox wrote: That is exactly my experience as well. But I am very, very far from pro level and I going to make the bold guess that you are too. A-moving the mech deathball is just not something they can do, then they just get wrecked. Besides, the fact that so many top Terrans prefer bio over mech even when playing on 200 ms ping says quite a bit about the strength of mech at pro level imo. Yes ^-^ A-moving works mostly because my opponents can't execute 360° attacks and stuff. So once mech is setup the only way you lose is basetrade. At least that's what happens in Dia On October 02 2020 19:35 MarianoSC2 wrote: I sincerely hope you are not serious with this post :D Dead serious. Which part?  | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7058 Posts
On October 02 2020 20:14 Fango wrote: Quick question, did terran win a single cross-server TvZ in the Dreamhack Masters tournament (given that was the last 'international' event)? I don't remember it happening. Even beyond that, neither Maru or Serral are in their best shape. It's not going to settle anything regardless of who wins. Maru apparently has a broken spine and has to be in the hospital 3x a week, so there's a 0% chance he's practicing like normal. Even Serral isn't in his best shape given its impossible to stay that consistent in an online era (people forget his big LAN wins are all months apart, he didn't play in weekly online cups. Then you add on the litter of 'its online' and 'ping issues' yada yada. People will be disappointed even if the games turn out good, which they won't because it's a cross-server TvZ and you're talking about players known specifically for perfect micro/multitasking and mechanics. Inno - Scarlett 2:0 and Inno - Scarlett 2:1 I assume Scarlett was playing from home since visa issues, corona and stuff | ||
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