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When's the bracket supposed to come out?
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On October 09 2020 10:27 BerserkSword wrote:
The mental gymnastics going on in here to underrate Rogue is astounding.
It's not merely about being clutch. He is an absolute juggernaut. As stated before he has won an absurd 2 IEM Championships and a Blizzcon itself...not to mention the fact that he's placed top 4 in two other Blizzcons (and he did crumble as hard as maru against sOs in blizzcon back in 2015....it's hard to even call it a real upset since sOs himself has won two blizzcons). He is a threat in all tournaments he plays in, and has proven himself in the hardest circuit on the planet aka the GSL with TWO code S titles and a ST win - mind you in LotV where Zerg barely wins in the Korean circuits to begin with.
Curb stomping his opponents in the finals of the biggest tournaments in the game every single time, an unprecedented number of times in the SC2 scene, is not merely a factor of being clutch. When he's in peak form he reaches the finals and never fails to embarrass the other finalist......calling that merely "clutch" is an understatement.
and to add salt to the wound he actually ADMITS THAT IT'S BALANCE issues, unlike other successful zerg players
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On October 09 2020 05:28 lostusername123 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2020 03:53 JJH777 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:34 S19Q9A5 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:12 Swisslink wrote:On October 09 2020 02:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 09 2020 02:23 TentativePanda wrote:
5 Terrans in Ro8 but they will forever be the weak race that’s too hard to play lol I mean if you looked at the bracket coming into this thing it was obvious that the playoffs were going to be Terran heavy just by who the players were that were coming here. I thought we'd have one more Zerg in Reynor and I guess some people could argue that Trap had a decent chance against Maru, but TY, Innovation and Clem were ALWAYS going to advance with the groups they had. No way they didn't. None of the results were a big upset for sure. Even Cure beating up Reynor moght not have been the most likely outcome, but neither was it a hige surprise, imo. I would agree. However, Trap - Maru and Clem - Ragnarok could also have gone either way, imo. Therefore the Terran dominance was definitely not a given. And with how this tournament turns out, this looks like a certain Rogue victory. Not in terms of play, but everyone got their hopes up for a non- Zerg winner. Crushing hopes is were Rogue really shines. 4:0 finals incoming. Or even 3:0/4:0/4:0 streak really. Why do you overestimate him so much? Rogue's ZvT not great as Reynor or Serral. The only reason Rogue has looked worse in ZvT than Reynor and Serral lately is because they always have the benefit of playing with ping on their side vs everyone besides Clem. Really? Rogue is -35 maps vs Innovation. Innovation is -13 vs Serral. Even removing online games, Serral's record vs Innovation is still positive. A quick look on Serral's record we see that his "Nemesis" are: -7 Happy, -6 Vortix, -5 ForGG, -5 Jaedong, -4 MC Basically people who quit the game before Serral went full time pro. When we look at rogues nemesis: -35 Innovation, -12 ByuN, -10 TY, -7 sOs, -6 Myungsik Pretty sure TY also has an awful record vs Serral. TL has some really weird takes.
On October 09 2020 07:14 lostusername123 wrote:
Serral 3-0 innov in gsl vs world, rogue lost 1-6 to inno a couple weeks before.
Basically Serral beats innovation, innovation demolishes rogue regardless of date, in the same time period, you should use another excuse.
btw why are we using their records vs innovation as a metric for how good Serral and Rogue are?
If that's the case let me weigh in that Soulkey reverse swept Inno in a finals, something that none of these guys will ever be able to do, must mean Soulkey is better than these two right?
That's how fuking retarded it sounds when you guys make these sort of fuking comparisons
Rogue and Serral are both really good vs Protoss at different times of the year, good vs Zerg, and can be beaten by Terran.
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On October 09 2020 10:35 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2020 10:27 BerserkSword wrote:
The mental gymnastics going on in here to underrate Rogue is astounding.
It's not merely about being clutch. He is an absolute juggernaut. As stated before he has won an absurd 2 IEM Championships and a Blizzcon itself...not to mention the fact that he's placed top 4 in two other Blizzcons (and he did crumble as hard as maru against sOs in blizzcon back in 2015....it's hard to even call it a real upset since sOs himself has won two blizzcons). He is a threat in all tournaments he plays in, and has proven himself in the hardest circuit on the planet aka the GSL with TWO code S titles and a ST win - mind you in LotV where Zerg barely wins in the Korean circuits to begin with.
Curb stomping his opponents in the finals of the biggest tournaments in the game every single time, an unprecedented number of times in the SC2 scene, is not merely a factor of being clutch. When he's in peak form he reaches the finals and never fails to embarrass the other finalist......calling that merely "clutch" is an understatement. and to add salt to the wound he actually ADMITS THAT IT'S BALANCE issues, unlike other successful zerg players
The irony is that Rogue didnt even solely ride ZvP during that stretch
the 2019 Code S S3, he smashed Dark 4-1 in a ZvZ. The same Dark who later utterly embarrassed Reynor, who had just eliminated Serral, at Blizzcon 2019
the 2020 IEM - he smoked Maru and Dark in Bo5s
I took a hurculean effort in the form of Classic's swan song to barely topple Rogue when he was peaking late 2019-early 2020. Classic who was playing out of his mind in 2019
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On October 09 2020 10:45 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2020 10:35 AzAlexZ wrote:On October 09 2020 10:27 BerserkSword wrote:
The mental gymnastics going on in here to underrate Rogue is astounding.
It's not merely about being clutch. He is an absolute juggernaut. As stated before he has won an absurd 2 IEM Championships and a Blizzcon itself...not to mention the fact that he's placed top 4 in two other Blizzcons (and he did crumble as hard as maru against sOs in blizzcon back in 2015....it's hard to even call it a real upset since sOs himself has won two blizzcons). He is a threat in all tournaments he plays in, and has proven himself in the hardest circuit on the planet aka the GSL with TWO code S titles and a ST win - mind you in LotV where Zerg barely wins in the Korean circuits to begin with.
Curb stomping his opponents in the finals of the biggest tournaments in the game every single time, an unprecedented number of times in the SC2 scene, is not merely a factor of being clutch. When he's in peak form he reaches the finals and never fails to embarrass the other finalist......calling that merely "clutch" is an understatement. and to add salt to the wound he actually ADMITS THAT IT'S BALANCE issues, unlike other successful zerg players The irony is that Rogue didnt even solely ride ZvP during that stretch the 2019 Code S S3, he smashed Dark 4-1 in a ZvZ. The same Dark who later utterly embarrassed Reynor, who had just eliminated Serral, at Blizzcon 2019 the 2020 IEM - he smoked Maru and Dark in Bo5s I took a hurculean effort in the form of Classic's swan song to barely topple Rogue when he was peaking late 2019-early 2020. Classic who was playing out of his mind in 2019
yeah he cheesed Rogue out and people think Rogue played bad, no they both played super well but Classic played better and had to pull all the cards out of the great book to almost still lose to Rogue. then got 3-0'd by Dark, who beat Reynor, who beat Serral
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Rogue is undefeated (3-0, lost 0 maps) against Reynor in 2020 so Rogue > Serral
If this sounds stupid to you, WHICH IT SHOULD, BECAUSE IT MEANS NOTHING then don't use Serral and Rogue vs inno as a metric for how good they are
I would also like to weigh in that even with the abundance of tournaments that Serral has played this year (7), he only won 1.
while Rogue only played in 5 and won 2.
I can keep using stupid arguments but you get the point right?
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On October 09 2020 10:36 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2020 05:28 lostusername123 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:53 JJH777 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:34 S19Q9A5 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:12 Swisslink wrote:On October 09 2020 02:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 09 2020 02:23 TentativePanda wrote:
5 Terrans in Ro8 but they will forever be the weak race that’s too hard to play lol I mean if you looked at the bracket coming into this thing it was obvious that the playoffs were going to be Terran heavy just by who the players were that were coming here. I thought we'd have one more Zerg in Reynor and I guess some people could argue that Trap had a decent chance against Maru, but TY, Innovation and Clem were ALWAYS going to advance with the groups they had. No way they didn't. None of the results were a big upset for sure. Even Cure beating up Reynor moght not have been the most likely outcome, but neither was it a hige surprise, imo. I would agree. However, Trap - Maru and Clem - Ragnarok could also have gone either way, imo. Therefore the Terran dominance was definitely not a given. And with how this tournament turns out, this looks like a certain Rogue victory. Not in terms of play, but everyone got their hopes up for a non- Zerg winner. Crushing hopes is were Rogue really shines. 4:0 finals incoming. Or even 3:0/4:0/4:0 streak really. Why do you overestimate him so much? Rogue's ZvT not great as Reynor or Serral. The only reason Rogue has looked worse in ZvT than Reynor and Serral lately is because they always have the benefit of playing with ping on their side vs everyone besides Clem. Really? Rogue is -35 maps vs Innovation. Innovation is -13 vs Serral. Even removing online games, Serral's record vs Innovation is still positive. A quick look on Serral's record we see that his "Nemesis" are: -7 Happy, -6 Vortix, -5 ForGG, -5 Jaedong, -4 MC Basically people who quit the game before Serral went full time pro. When we look at rogues nemesis: -35 Innovation, -12 ByuN, -10 TY, -7 sOs, -6 Myungsik Pretty sure TY also has an awful record vs Serral. TL has some really weird takes. Show nested quote +On October 09 2020 07:14 lostusername123 wrote:
Serral 3-0 innov in gsl vs world, rogue lost 1-6 to inno a couple weeks before.
Basically Serral beats innovation, innovation demolishes rogue regardless of date, in the same time period, you should use another excuse.
btw why are we using their records vs innovation as a metric for how good Serral and Rogue are? If that's the case let me weigh in that Soulkey reverse swept Inno in a finals, something that none of these guys will ever be able to do, must mean Soulkey is better than these two right? That's how fuking retarded it sounds when you guys make these sort of fuking comparisons Rogue and Serral are both really good vs Protoss at different times of the year, good vs Zerg, and can be beaten by Terran.
Whut? lol soulkey is like -11 vs innovation, innovation just choked on GSL really.
Serral is favoured vs every player in the world he has played more than a few games since 2018.
Rogue gets absolutely hulksmashed into another dimension by innovation, and also has bad records vs TY and Cure.
Saying Rogue has better ZvT than Serral is insane.
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On October 09 2020 10:53 lostusername123 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2020 10:36 AzAlexZ wrote:On October 09 2020 05:28 lostusername123 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:53 JJH777 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:34 S19Q9A5 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:12 Swisslink wrote:On October 09 2020 02:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 09 2020 02:23 TentativePanda wrote:
5 Terrans in Ro8 but they will forever be the weak race that’s too hard to play lol I mean if you looked at the bracket coming into this thing it was obvious that the playoffs were going to be Terran heavy just by who the players were that were coming here. I thought we'd have one more Zerg in Reynor and I guess some people could argue that Trap had a decent chance against Maru, but TY, Innovation and Clem were ALWAYS going to advance with the groups they had. No way they didn't. None of the results were a big upset for sure. Even Cure beating up Reynor moght not have been the most likely outcome, but neither was it a hige surprise, imo. I would agree. However, Trap - Maru and Clem - Ragnarok could also have gone either way, imo. Therefore the Terran dominance was definitely not a given. And with how this tournament turns out, this looks like a certain Rogue victory. Not in terms of play, but everyone got their hopes up for a non- Zerg winner. Crushing hopes is were Rogue really shines. 4:0 finals incoming. Or even 3:0/4:0/4:0 streak really. Why do you overestimate him so much? Rogue's ZvT not great as Reynor or Serral. The only reason Rogue has looked worse in ZvT than Reynor and Serral lately is because they always have the benefit of playing with ping on their side vs everyone besides Clem. Really? Rogue is -35 maps vs Innovation. Innovation is -13 vs Serral. Even removing online games, Serral's record vs Innovation is still positive. A quick look on Serral's record we see that his "Nemesis" are: -7 Happy, -6 Vortix, -5 ForGG, -5 Jaedong, -4 MC Basically people who quit the game before Serral went full time pro. When we look at rogues nemesis: -35 Innovation, -12 ByuN, -10 TY, -7 sOs, -6 Myungsik Pretty sure TY also has an awful record vs Serral. TL has some really weird takes. On October 09 2020 07:14 lostusername123 wrote:
Serral 3-0 innov in gsl vs world, rogue lost 1-6 to inno a couple weeks before.
Basically Serral beats innovation, innovation demolishes rogue regardless of date, in the same time period, you should use another excuse.
btw why are we using their records vs innovation as a metric for how good Serral and Rogue are? If that's the case let me weigh in that Soulkey reverse swept Inno in a finals, something that none of these guys will ever be able to do, must mean Soulkey is better than these two right? That's how fuking retarded it sounds when you guys make these sort of fuking comparisons Rogue and Serral are both really good vs Protoss at different times of the year, good vs Zerg, and can be beaten by Terran. Whut? lol soulkey is like -11 vs innovation, innovation just choked on GSL really. Serral is favoured vs every player in the world he has played more than a few games since 2018. Rogue gets absolutely hulksmashed into another dimension by innovation, and also has bad records vs TY and Cure. Saying Rogue has better ZvT than Serral is insane.
well okay then Rogue has better ZvZ (3-0 vs Reynor this year) and ZvP (beat Zest in IEM who beat Serral) and won more tourneys too
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On October 09 2020 10:35 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2020 10:27 BerserkSword wrote:
The mental gymnastics going on in here to underrate Rogue is astounding.
It's not merely about being clutch. He is an absolute juggernaut. As stated before he has won an absurd 2 IEM Championships and a Blizzcon itself...not to mention the fact that he's placed top 4 in two other Blizzcons (and he did crumble as hard as maru against sOs in blizzcon back in 2015....it's hard to even call it a real upset since sOs himself has won two blizzcons). He is a threat in all tournaments he plays in, and has proven himself in the hardest circuit on the planet aka the GSL with TWO code S titles and a ST win - mind you in LotV where Zerg barely wins in the Korean circuits to begin with.
Curb stomping his opponents in the finals of the biggest tournaments in the game every single time, an unprecedented number of times in the SC2 scene, is not merely a factor of being clutch. When he's in peak form he reaches the finals and never fails to embarrass the other finalist......calling that merely "clutch" is an understatement. and to add salt to the wound he actually ADMITS THAT IT'S BALANCE issues, unlike other successful zerg players
Rogue may be a threat or may be eliminated like a scrub, he definitely is not a threat in every tournament he plays.
His victories are impressive but how he performs when he doesn't win is not.
He is utterly inconsistent, but on the other hand he is the clutchest player in the history of Sc2, not merely "clutch".
As for Rogue winning in Korea during the unfavourable LoTV era, he did so in a sub period which was, on the contrary, favourable to Zerg as every kind of whiner writes on this forum 24/7 and as Rogue himself mentioned more than once(read the post above).
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Honestly with you guys disrespecting Rogue like this, I just hope they put Rogue vs Serral as a ro8 match just so Rogue can beat him 3-1 and shut everyone up
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On October 09 2020 11:02 AzAlexZ wrote:
Honestly with you guys disrespecting Rogue like this, I just hope they put Rogue vs Serral as a ro8 match just so Rogue can beat him 3-1 and shut everyone up
Which disrespect?
Also, Rogue's ZvZ might be better than Serral's right now(not sure) but I have to remind you he has never beaten Serral in a game that was worth anything until now.
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On October 09 2020 10:56 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2020 10:53 lostusername123 wrote:On October 09 2020 10:36 AzAlexZ wrote:On October 09 2020 05:28 lostusername123 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:53 JJH777 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:34 S19Q9A5 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:12 Swisslink wrote:On October 09 2020 02:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 09 2020 02:23 TentativePanda wrote:
5 Terrans in Ro8 but they will forever be the weak race that’s too hard to play lol I mean if you looked at the bracket coming into this thing it was obvious that the playoffs were going to be Terran heavy just by who the players were that were coming here. I thought we'd have one more Zerg in Reynor and I guess some people could argue that Trap had a decent chance against Maru, but TY, Innovation and Clem were ALWAYS going to advance with the groups they had. No way they didn't. None of the results were a big upset for sure. Even Cure beating up Reynor moght not have been the most likely outcome, but neither was it a hige surprise, imo. I would agree. However, Trap - Maru and Clem - Ragnarok could also have gone either way, imo. Therefore the Terran dominance was definitely not a given. And with how this tournament turns out, this looks like a certain Rogue victory. Not in terms of play, but everyone got their hopes up for a non- Zerg winner. Crushing hopes is were Rogue really shines. 4:0 finals incoming. Or even 3:0/4:0/4:0 streak really. Why do you overestimate him so much? Rogue's ZvT not great as Reynor or Serral. The only reason Rogue has looked worse in ZvT than Reynor and Serral lately is because they always have the benefit of playing with ping on their side vs everyone besides Clem. Really? Rogue is -35 maps vs Innovation. Innovation is -13 vs Serral. Even removing online games, Serral's record vs Innovation is still positive. A quick look on Serral's record we see that his "Nemesis" are: -7 Happy, -6 Vortix, -5 ForGG, -5 Jaedong, -4 MC Basically people who quit the game before Serral went full time pro. When we look at rogues nemesis: -35 Innovation, -12 ByuN, -10 TY, -7 sOs, -6 Myungsik Pretty sure TY also has an awful record vs Serral. TL has some really weird takes. On October 09 2020 07:14 lostusername123 wrote:
Serral 3-0 innov in gsl vs world, rogue lost 1-6 to inno a couple weeks before.
Basically Serral beats innovation, innovation demolishes rogue regardless of date, in the same time period, you should use another excuse.
btw why are we using their records vs innovation as a metric for how good Serral and Rogue are? If that's the case let me weigh in that Soulkey reverse swept Inno in a finals, something that none of these guys will ever be able to do, must mean Soulkey is better than these two right? That's how fuking retarded it sounds when you guys make these sort of fuking comparisons Rogue and Serral are both really good vs Protoss at different times of the year, good vs Zerg, and can be beaten by Terran. Whut? lol soulkey is like -11 vs innovation, innovation just choked on GSL really. Serral is favoured vs every player in the world he has played more than a few games since 2018. Rogue gets absolutely hulksmashed into another dimension by innovation, and also has bad records vs TY and Cure. Saying Rogue has better ZvT than Serral is insane. well okay then Rogue has better ZvZ (3-0 vs Reynor this year) and ZvP (beat Zest in IEM who beat Serral) and won more tourneys too
You're now changing the argument into something else, you're moving the goal posts.
Rogue has in fact, not won more tournaments this year, I think they're tied, but Rogue has more important tournaments won sure.
Rogue has a better ZvZ record , though Serral is playing a ton vs Reynor.
ZvP Serral is something like 30-0 in series since the zest loss, Serral actually has the better record this year in ZvP.
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On October 09 2020 11:18 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2020 11:02 AzAlexZ wrote:
Honestly with you guys disrespecting Rogue like this, I just hope they put Rogue vs Serral as a ro8 match just so Rogue can beat him 3-1 and shut everyone up Which disrespect? Also, Rogue's ZvZ might be better than Serral's right now(not sure) but I have to remind you he has never beaten Serral in a game that was worth anything until now.
So you admit that events with $30k or less prize pools are worthless? You realize that removes like 5 of Serral's premiere victories? Suddenly his trophy list is even more mediocre. If you are saying it's worthless because it's a group stage match that's very flawed when it easily could have been the difference between him starting in the losers bracket and winners bracket since he had not played Parting yet.
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On October 09 2020 11:21 lostusername123 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2020 10:56 AzAlexZ wrote:On October 09 2020 10:53 lostusername123 wrote:On October 09 2020 10:36 AzAlexZ wrote:On October 09 2020 05:28 lostusername123 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:53 JJH777 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:34 S19Q9A5 wrote:On October 09 2020 03:12 Swisslink wrote:On October 09 2020 02:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 09 2020 02:23 TentativePanda wrote:
5 Terrans in Ro8 but they will forever be the weak race that’s too hard to play lol I mean if you looked at the bracket coming into this thing it was obvious that the playoffs were going to be Terran heavy just by who the players were that were coming here. I thought we'd have one more Zerg in Reynor and I guess some people could argue that Trap had a decent chance against Maru, but TY, Innovation and Clem were ALWAYS going to advance with the groups they had. No way they didn't. None of the results were a big upset for sure. Even Cure beating up Reynor moght not have been the most likely outcome, but neither was it a hige surprise, imo. I would agree. However, Trap - Maru and Clem - Ragnarok could also have gone either way, imo. Therefore the Terran dominance was definitely not a given. And with how this tournament turns out, this looks like a certain Rogue victory. Not in terms of play, but everyone got their hopes up for a non- Zerg winner. Crushing hopes is were Rogue really shines. 4:0 finals incoming. Or even 3:0/4:0/4:0 streak really. Why do you overestimate him so much? Rogue's ZvT not great as Reynor or Serral. The only reason Rogue has looked worse in ZvT than Reynor and Serral lately is because they always have the benefit of playing with ping on their side vs everyone besides Clem. Really? Rogue is -35 maps vs Innovation. Innovation is -13 vs Serral. Even removing online games, Serral's record vs Innovation is still positive. A quick look on Serral's record we see that his "Nemesis" are: -7 Happy, -6 Vortix, -5 ForGG, -5 Jaedong, -4 MC Basically people who quit the game before Serral went full time pro. When we look at rogues nemesis: -35 Innovation, -12 ByuN, -10 TY, -7 sOs, -6 Myungsik Pretty sure TY also has an awful record vs Serral. TL has some really weird takes. On October 09 2020 07:14 lostusername123 wrote:
Serral 3-0 innov in gsl vs world, rogue lost 1-6 to inno a couple weeks before.
Basically Serral beats innovation, innovation demolishes rogue regardless of date, in the same time period, you should use another excuse.
btw why are we using their records vs innovation as a metric for how good Serral and Rogue are? If that's the case let me weigh in that Soulkey reverse swept Inno in a finals, something that none of these guys will ever be able to do, must mean Soulkey is better than these two right? That's how fuking retarded it sounds when you guys make these sort of fuking comparisons Rogue and Serral are both really good vs Protoss at different times of the year, good vs Zerg, and can be beaten by Terran. Whut? lol soulkey is like -11 vs innovation, innovation just choked on GSL really. Serral is favoured vs every player in the world he has played more than a few games since 2018. Rogue gets absolutely hulksmashed into another dimension by innovation, and also has bad records vs TY and Cure. Saying Rogue has better ZvT than Serral is insane. well okay then Rogue has better ZvZ (3-0 vs Reynor this year) and ZvP (beat Zest in IEM who beat Serral) and won more tourneys too You're now changing the argument into something else, you're moving the goal posts. Rogue has in fact, not won more tournaments this year, I think they're tied, but Rogue has more important tournaments won sure. Rogue has a better ZvZ record , though Serral is playing a ton vs Reynor. ZvP Serral is something like 30-0 in series since the zest loss, Serral actually has the better record this year in ZvP.
Rogue won 2 tournaments this year, Serral won 1
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On October 09 2020 10:58 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2020 10:35 AzAlexZ wrote:On October 09 2020 10:27 BerserkSword wrote:
The mental gymnastics going on in here to underrate Rogue is astounding.
It's not merely about being clutch. He is an absolute juggernaut. As stated before he has won an absurd 2 IEM Championships and a Blizzcon itself...not to mention the fact that he's placed top 4 in two other Blizzcons (and he did crumble as hard as maru against sOs in blizzcon back in 2015....it's hard to even call it a real upset since sOs himself has won two blizzcons). He is a threat in all tournaments he plays in, and has proven himself in the hardest circuit on the planet aka the GSL with TWO code S titles and a ST win - mind you in LotV where Zerg barely wins in the Korean circuits to begin with.
Curb stomping his opponents in the finals of the biggest tournaments in the game every single time, an unprecedented number of times in the SC2 scene, is not merely a factor of being clutch. When he's in peak form he reaches the finals and never fails to embarrass the other finalist......calling that merely "clutch" is an understatement. and to add salt to the wound he actually ADMITS THAT IT'S BALANCE issues, unlike other successful zerg players Rogue may be a threat or may be eliminated like a scrub, he definitely is not a threat in every tournament he plays. His victories are impressive but how he performs when he doesn't win is not. He is utterly inconsistent, but on the other hand he is the clutchest player in the history of Sc2, not merely "clutch". As for Rogue winning in Korea during the unfavourable LoTV era, he did so in a sub period which was, on the contrary, favourable to Zerg as every kind of whiner writes on this forum 24/7 and as Rogue himself mentioned more than once(read the post above).
Rogue plays in a dramatically more difficult circuit than someone like Serral does. Getting 3-0d in a preparation match in the GSL is not getting eliminated like a scrub. Anything can happen in the GSL. The competition and difficulty are in another dimension.
Rogue did say that he thought ZvP was broken after he beat Trap. He also then proceeded to lose to Classic in the next big tournament, and then told everyone that Protoss was powerful after he beat Zest in IEM 2020.
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When Serral wins kings of battle whats going to be the excuse btw?
Either too low prize pool, or lag I'm guessing.
You guys realize this kid only started playing full time since 2018?
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On October 09 2020 11:40 lostusername123 wrote:
When Serral wins kings of battle whats going to be the excuse btw?
Either too low prize pool, or lag I'm guessing.
You guys realize this kid only started playing full time since 2018?
He actually has been playing full time since 2017 and that's a bad excuse anyways. Plenty of players have done well while in high school. Also new players don't get extra credit for being new. A list of achievements is how players should be judged when looking at the greatest and the fact that they started later doesn't mean they get to be judged by lower standards than the guys who have been playing since the beginning.
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On October 09 2020 11:40 lostusername123 wrote:
When Serral wins kings of battle whats going to be the excuse btw?
Either too low prize pool, or lag I'm guessing.
You guys realize this kid only started playing full time since 2018?
Neeb started playing full time since 2016-17 ish, look where he is now? Could happen to Serral too.
Also Serral started playing full time after KeSPA dissolved.
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When Serral wins this, whats going to be the excuse?
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On October 09 2020 11:46 lostusername123 wrote:
When Serral wins this, whats going to be the excuse?
We'll go there when we get there, no guarantee he will win
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