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sneakyfox
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Map Pool + Show Spoiler [Match List] + CSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: GSL | ||
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sneakyfox
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Can an admin please allow the html? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6931 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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sneakyfox
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-KG-
Denmark1215 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 02 2020 18:43 sneakyfox wrote: Agree with Artosis that SC is not a game of "perfect". Which makes it curious that such a big part of the people who play SC have perfectionist tendencies It's easier to be perfectionist than min-maxer. | ||
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seemsgood
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 18:50 lolfail9001 wrote: It's easier to be perfectionist than min-maxer. min maxer is perfectionist dats perfect at one aspect and be cool with it ;p | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 18:35 sneakyfox wrote: Thanks Pande for the layout! Can an admin please allow the html? Done! On September 02 2020 18:50 Morbidius wrote: I swear every PvZ this patch goes like this. Protoss pokes, does nothing, dies to Zerg who has 50 supply advantage a few minutes later. And in game 2 the inevitable ling allin wins despite heroic efforts  But yeah, imo there's no reason to do a poke like that. Either go all-in or don't be on the map. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 18:50 Morbidius wrote: I swear every PvZ this patch goes like this. Protoss pokes, does nothing, dies to Zerg who has 50 supply advantage a few minutes later. killing 10-12 drones is meaningless without follow up ;O | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6931 Posts
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
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Elentos
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Damn, I forgot to edit the date before. Fixed it now, but could you re-approve? Sorry. e: thanks | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 18:57 La1 wrote: Another protoss dieing to the same all in... while zerg is sitting at 3 bases ;Oo | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Maybe allow friendly protoss units to phase through batteries, and possibly even have battery healing provide +1 armor vs melee attacks? | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:01 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: It may be (well past) time to help pvz early game cus that looked very stupid. Maybe allow friendly protoss units to phase through batteries, and possibly even have battery healing provide +1 armor vs melee attacks? I think the issue is that Protoss build batteries as a reaction to stuff they scout, but the build time is just too slow for that. If you wanted to be safer against the speedling allin, you would build your battery blindly (basically doing a Forge Expand 2.0), but honestly there aren't enough resources available for that to be a thing. I think a more elegant solution (which would also make Protoss more stable in general) is to reduce Shield Battery build time by like ~8-10 seconds. edit: also, being able to glitch units behind Protoss walls simply by spam clicking is pretty stupid and should also be addressed. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:03 Teoita wrote: I think the issue is that Protoss build batteries as a reaction to stuff they scout, but the build time is just too slow for that. If you wanted to be safer against that build, you would build your battery blindly (basically doing a Forge Expand 2.0), but honestly there aren't enough resources available for that to be a thing. So I think a more elegant solution (which would also make Protoss more stable in general) is to reduce Shield Battery build time by like ~8-10 seconds. Hmm, that's quite a nice change. Would make a big difference against that all-in in particular. I wonder if it could even be a bigger change, like 12-15 seconds less, but only if the battery is built in range of nexus? (to prevent buffing all-ins that make use of the battery). | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:03 Teoita wrote: I think the issue is that Protoss build batteries as a reaction to stuff they scout, but the build time is just too slow for that. If you wanted to be safer against the speedling allin, you would build your battery blindly (basically doing a Forge Expand 2.0), but honestly there aren't enough resources available for that to be a thing. I think a more elegant solution (which would also make Protoss more stable in general) is to reduce Shield Battery build time by like ~8-10 seconds. edit: also, being able to glitch units behind Protoss walls simply by spam clicking is pretty stupid and should also be addressed. I too would like TvP to become more miserable with every patch meant to address PvZ. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:07 Elentos wrote: I too would like TvP to become more miserable with every patch meant to address PvZ. You should know I'm always all for extra misery on non Protoss but seriously, early game Protoss is so goddamn fragile right now. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:08 Teoita wrote: Maybe but then you get in this weird "Protoss things are only good next to a Nexus" which is a bit annoying. You should know I'm always all for extra misery on non Protoss but seriously, early game Protoss is so goddamn fragile right now. I don't think Protoss early game is fragile against Terran but it's hilariously fragile against Zerg. | ||
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seemsgood
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:08 Teoita wrote: Maybe but then you get in this weird "Protoss things are only good next to a Nexus" which is a bit annoying. For a buff that is explicitly aimed at making defense easier, I think that's quite fine. And shield battery based all-ins are already pretty good | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:08 Teoita wrote: Maybe but then you get in this weird "Protoss things are only good next to a Nexus" which is a bit annoying. You should know I'm always all for extra misery on non Protoss but seriously, early game Protoss is so goddamn fragile right now. but zerg is still gonna rekt toss one way or another tho ;p best way to fix PvZ is to buff terran handsomely | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:11 Teoita wrote: Dunno, to me it feels like if you misshandle the first Terran harassment move with hellions, mines or whatever the game kinda ends, and those tend to hit before warpgate so it's really tricky. I agree it's not as bad as against Zerg though. I think those are much easier to handle. You can wall hellions out easily since they can't glitch their way past units, almost nobody has trouble defending mine drops either and shield batteries take care of practically everything else other than dedicated all-ins. Which is disregarding the fact that Protoss can also do stuff early against Terran whereas you can't exactly Maxpax in PvZ. I mean there's a reason TvP win rates are kinda in the gutter for the last few months. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 02 2020 18:53 seemsgood wrote: min maxer is perfectionist dats perfect at one aspect and be cool with it ;p The issue is that min maxer also needs to choose aspect to be perfect at or it's not a min max at all. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:17 lolfail9001 wrote: The issue is that min maxer also needs to choose aspect to be perfect at or it's not a min max at all. Stats has maxed pretending that playing PvZ like it's 2017 is a good idea and has minimized his skill in modern styles | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: That pickup was great. And he did it twice. 150 raven energy for nothing! | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:20 Elentos wrote: And he did it twice. 150 raven energy for nothing! Zesty plays. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
Smooth transition into floating 1k/1k and being behind in army supply as a result. Full Zest. edit: and then dumping said 1k/1k bank in DTs only. Fullest Zest. | ||
Poopi
France12886 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:21 Teoita wrote: Smooth transition into floating 1k/1k and being behind in army supply as a result. Full Zest. It was an alpha move, got TaeJa to back up without the need for Zest to make more army | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:21 Teoita wrote: Smooth transition into floating 1k/1k and being behind in army supply as a result. Full Zest. edit: and then dumping said 1k/1k bank in DTs only. Fullest Zest. Floating 1K minerals as protoss is fine if the terran is doing it too | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:21 Teoita wrote: Smooth transition into floating 1k/1k and being behind in army supply as a result. Full Zest. edit: and then dumping said 1k/1k bank in DTs only. Fullest Zest. I mean, 1k gas bank for toss at this point seems like a standard prelude to warping 8-12 DTs and killing terran. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:22 Poopi wrote: Do you know why they have such late upgrades in pro games TvP? The 1/1 thing with tanks and vikings is a timing attack tbh that's been more common recently. You're not meant to meet your opponent mid-map. But from what I can tell they're late on the upgrades so they have more units faster. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:25 Elentos wrote: The 1/1 thing with tanks and vikings is a timing attack tbh that's been more common recently. You're not meant to meet your opponent mid-map. But from what I can tell they're late on the upgrades so they have more units faster. edit: also Protoss delay their upgrades as well because you kind of have to when you go for a fast third with blink/colossus, so it's fine for Terran to delay theirs as well. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:26 Teoita wrote: Yeah I still can not comprehend how DTs like that are thing. I think we successfully found the one bit of Protoss bullshit that is too much even for me. The Protoss baneling, with just a few minor downsides! | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:28 sudete wrote: By the way, Harstem went through the VOD and found that creator actually delayed his warpgate research by cancelling it (and restarting) after it was about 12 seconds in. https://twitter.com/HarstemSc2/status/1301098564509224960 Yeah sometimes you go tech before Warpgate, but that's usually for Stargate builds. It was a pretty odd build from Creator. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Elentos
55550 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:28 sudete wrote: By the way, Harstem went through the VOD and found that creator actually delayed his warpgate research by cancelling it (and restarting) after it was about 12 seconds in. https://twitter.com/HarstemSc2/status/1301098564509224960 Wow. What a way to lose the series. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:27 Elentos wrote: The Protoss baneling, with just a few minor downsides! It was funny how we all laughed when they introduced blink for DTs. But somehow it took three years for protoss players to realise how powerful it is. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:29 Teoita wrote: Yeah sometimes you go tech before Warpgate, but that's usually for Stargate builds. It was a pretty odd build from Creator. Yeah late warpgate into robo seems weird. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:31 sneakyfox wrote: It was funny how we all laughed when they introduced blink for DTs. But somehow it took three years for protoss players to realise how powerful it is. I mean, it took much longer for Zergs to realize Banes are usable vs Protoss (minus some experiments in 2011...) edit: On September 02 2020 19:31 Elentos wrote: Yeah late warpgate into robo seems weird. I can see it if you want to do some sort of 2base immortal/warp prism thing. Soultrain back in the day was the same for example. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:29 Teoita wrote: Yeah sometimes you go tech before Warpgate, but that's usually for Stargate builds. It was a pretty odd build from Creator. Yep, if he just delayed starting it (to try and trick dark) then I could understand it but he actually cancelled and restarted it.... just sad to see. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:32 Teoita wrote: I mean, it took much longer for Zergs to realize Banes are usable vs Protoss (minus some experiments in 2011...) It's mostly just the economy and maps that changed and made them usable Also +10 HP was nice | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:33 Durnuu wrote: It's mostly just the economy and maps that changed and made them usable Also +10 HP was nice Yea those were a big deal for sure, but bane drops were never kind to mineral lines. edit: I went through the VOD, Creator cancelled Warpgate, started a Twilight Council when he had ~150 gas, and then started Warpgate again. Total screwup on his end, it wasn't intended. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:31 sneakyfox wrote: It was funny how we all laughed when they introduced blink for DTs. But somehow it took three years for protoss players to realise how powerful it is. It took longer for it to take off than I expected tbh. I guess Protoss for the longest time just had better options so it wasn't necessary. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:34 Teoita wrote: Yea those were a big deal for sure, but bane drops were never kind to mineral lines. At least they require preparation in the form of speed-drop-overlords and then also a bigger investment, plus a bit more micro. The really big problem is the roll-bys, which is almost pay X money to achieve Y damage. (with X and Y being constants) | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:33 Durnuu wrote: It's mostly just the economy and maps that changed and made them usable Also +10 HP was nice Also the fact that Zerg has a unit to kill force-fields now. Forcefield use in LotV went down a ton from HotS. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:39 Elentos wrote: Also the fact that Zerg has a unit to kill force-fields now. Forcefield use in LotV went down a ton from HotS. True. But maps are so big and the economy so huge that i'm pretty sure Zerg could make banelings work even without forcefield killers. Losing 10 banes out of 70 to bait all the protoss forcefields oughta work | ||
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Elentos
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:41 Durnuu wrote: True. But maps are so big and the economy so huge that i'm pretty sure Zerg could make banelings work even without forcefield killers. Losing 10 banes out of 70 to bait all the protoss forcefields oughta work As proven by hydra/ling/baneling being a thing Also, RIP Zest. Really underwhelming games today  | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:34 Teoita wrote: Yea those were a big deal for sure, but bane drops were never kind to mineral lines. edit: I went through the VOD, Creator cancelled Warpgate, started a Twilight Council when he had ~150 gas, and then started Warpgate again. Total screwup on his end, it wasn't intended. bane drop was much much better than bane ling runby and nydus tho ;o i d trade it for those shits | ||
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Elentos
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sneakyfox
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Penev
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2226 Posts
pvz is done for | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:47 SharkStarcraft wrote: how could creator have held that ling flood?? killing the core just seems so stupidly op i cant even pvz is done for We have already established through Harstem that Creator started warp gate late/initially cancelled it and could have had it for the flood. | ||
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Elentos
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seemsgood
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On September 02 2020 19:41 Durnuu wrote: True. But maps are so big and the economy so huge that i'm pretty sure Zerg could make banelings work even without forcefield killers. Losing 10 banes out of 70 to bait all the protoss forcefields oughta work my problem with zerg is this race is so ferret'd out right now back then ling bane muta was only good against bio and roach hydra was for mech but now zerg players can do wtf'ever they want its like a wok...it just works... | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:53 seemsgood wrote: its like a wok...it just works... Reading this about Zerg hurts | ||
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Elentos
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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seemsgood
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:56 deacon.frost wrote: Why not build a wall and cancel/build something with a drone in the middle? Like, why not do that against these adepts builds? Zerg evo chambers should be able to raise/lower like depots | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:56 deacon.frost wrote: Why not build a wall and cancel/build something with a drone in the middle? Like, why not do that against these adepts builds? wait until you see dark brutally dismembering zest...again :[ | ||
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IndyO
392 Posts
cant lose probes at your 4th to baneling runbys if you dont have probes there | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:59 seemsgood wrote: wait until you see dark brutally dismemmber zest...again :[ Well I was just wondering if there's a reason to do it in a more complex way than the ezpz way. (IMO) | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:41 Durnuu wrote: True. But maps are so big and the economy so huge that i'm pretty sure Zerg could make banelings work even without forcefield killers. Losing 10 banes out of 70 to bait all the protoss forcefields oughta work We would just do things Rogue did in 2015 without ravagers. | ||
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seemsgood
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
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Penev
28481 Posts
hopefully we'll get some closer games | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:01 TheOneAboveU wrote: wohooo At least one person is still happy to see ZvP wins | ||
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Zambrah
United States7306 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Elentos
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:08 dbRic1203 wrote: Can t watch currently. Anything beeing said about Dark injuries? he fixed dem all and now dude is stronger than ever | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2226 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:08 dbRic1203 wrote: Can t watch currently. Anything beeing said about Dark injuries? Dark can play ZvP with one hand and advance | ||
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sneakyfox
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:18 sneakyfox wrote: This is looking like another bad day for TaeJa. It's not often we have seen him play at a high level since coming back. If a player only has bad days, what does that make him? + Show Spoiler + Creator | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:19 Durnuu wrote: If a player only has bad days, what does that make him? + Show Spoiler + Creator I mean there has been the occasional great series from him. But the answer to your question is probably a prime candidate for manual work in a kitchen. | ||
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Elentos
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
e: he did not | ||
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seemsgood
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Durnuu
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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catplanetcatplanet
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:24 sneakyfox wrote: Time to see if TaeJa watched uThermal's voidray defense vod e: he did not what's it? | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17995 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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-KG-
Denmark1215 Posts
On September 02 2020 18:45 -KG- wrote: TaeJa will advance. You heard it here first. Did I say TaeJa? I meant Dark of course. Dark was going to advance.. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:26 Acrofales wrote: Lol. Proxy voidrays. Unsurprisingly, the voidray buff does nothing vs Z, but wrecks terrans. Hahahaha. haven't you seen all the lategame use of voidrays? | ||
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
And disappointed overall, didn't get the TvZ I wanted tonight | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Get turrets and cyclones. Then either vikings or a second factory for more cyclones. | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:27 -KG- wrote: Did I say TaeJa? I meant Dark of course. Dark was going to advance.. true but I'm pretty sure I heard that before your post already | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:27 sneakyfox wrote: Get turrets and cyclones. Then either vikings or a second factory for more cyclones. Well he just completely misjudged what he could get done on the low ground. He probably thought he could stop the 2nd void ray. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
I prefer tropicana sparkuling | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
gogo Zest | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:30 Durnuu wrote: o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o I prefer tropicana sparkuling yeah, these Korean ads used to be more.. engaging I blame zerg | ||
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-KG-
Denmark1215 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:29 Penev wrote: true but I'm pretty sure I heard that before your post already Touché :p | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:34 Penev wrote: yeah, these Korean ads used to be more.. engaging I blame zerg Don't hate the player, hate the game Blame Blizzard. | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:41 sneakyfox wrote: Don't hate the player, hate the game Blame Blizzard. well, as long as you're hating | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:41 sneakyfox wrote: Don't hate the player, hate the game Blame Blizzard. DAVID KIMMMM!!!!!! | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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JustPassingBy
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catplanetcatplanet
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RainStorm148
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gogo Creator! | ||
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sneakyfox
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Penev
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Penev
28481 Posts
:p cheers I see you're the new Pande? | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Creator has won 3 more games today than I expected him to. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Just the cheap replacement version when Pande lacks the pashun | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Penev
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:54 Penev wrote: I'm rooting for Creator, hard I too am hard for Creator | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:57 sneakyfox wrote: mvp Immortal mvp battery overcharge | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Does Creator not know about this upgrade? | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 20:59 sneakyfox wrote: Does Creator not know about this upgrade? all dude needs to know is getting away while its overcharging ;oo | ||
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Durnuu
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sneakyfox
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Penev
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
TILT | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
He put up a good fight. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Russano
United States425 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 21:12 sneakyfox wrote: Creator activating the super battery when zest not even attacking TILT zest got all requirements to destroy creators naruto chargelots : ] phoenixes made ping pongs irrelevant but his grounds army was trash anyway | ||
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Penev
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Crocolisk Dundee
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States654 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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mikedupp
233 Posts
On September 03 2020 07:14 Die4Ever wrote: so really small sample size, but it kinda seems like returning terran players are having trouble with protoss? pretty sure Polt quit because of protoss, and Taeja hasn't been doing well vs protoss either, is there something harder to adapt to about the modern protoss compared to modern zerg and terran? Don't know if Polt is the best example because he could barely break 6k on Korea. Dream looks pretty darn good vs. protoss. | ||
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Topin
Peru10078 Posts
what a great final series i just wish he would have won it | ||
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