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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:21 Teoita wrote: Smooth transition into floating 1k/1k and being behind in army supply as a result. Full Zest. edit: and then dumping said 1k/1k bank in DTs only. Fullest Zest. Floating 1K minerals as protoss is fine if the terran is doing it too  | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:21 Teoita wrote: Smooth transition into floating 1k/1k and being behind in army supply as a result. Full Zest. edit: and then dumping said 1k/1k bank in DTs only. Fullest Zest. I mean, 1k gas bank for toss at this point seems like a standard prelude to warping 8-12 DTs and killing terran. | ||
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Elentos
55570 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:22 Poopi wrote: Do you know why they have such late upgrades in pro games TvP? The 1/1 thing with tanks and vikings is a timing attack tbh that's been more common recently. You're not meant to meet your opponent mid-map. But from what I can tell they're late on the upgrades so they have more units faster. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:25 Elentos wrote: The 1/1 thing with tanks and vikings is a timing attack tbh that's been more common recently. You're not meant to meet your opponent mid-map. But from what I can tell they're late on the upgrades so they have more units faster. edit: also Protoss delay their upgrades as well because you kind of have to when you go for a fast third with blink/colossus, so it's fine for Terran to delay theirs as well. | ||
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Elentos
55570 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:26 Teoita wrote: Yeah I still can not comprehend how DTs like that are thing. I think we successfully found the one bit of Protoss bullshit that is too much even for me. The Protoss baneling, with just a few minor downsides! | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:28 sudete wrote: By the way, Harstem went through the VOD and found that creator actually delayed his warpgate research by cancelling it (and restarting) after it was about 12 seconds in. https://twitter.com/HarstemSc2/status/1301098564509224960 Yeah sometimes you go tech before Warpgate, but that's usually for Stargate builds. It was a pretty odd build from Creator. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Elentos
55570 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:28 sudete wrote: By the way, Harstem went through the VOD and found that creator actually delayed his warpgate research by cancelling it (and restarting) after it was about 12 seconds in. https://twitter.com/HarstemSc2/status/1301098564509224960 Wow. What a way to lose the series. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:27 Elentos wrote: The Protoss baneling, with just a few minor downsides! It was funny how we all laughed when they introduced blink for DTs. But somehow it took three years for protoss players to realise how powerful it is. | ||
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Elentos
55570 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:29 Teoita wrote: Yeah sometimes you go tech before Warpgate, but that's usually for Stargate builds. It was a pretty odd build from Creator. Yeah late warpgate into robo seems weird. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:31 sneakyfox wrote: It was funny how we all laughed when they introduced blink for DTs. But somehow it took three years for protoss players to realise how powerful it is. I mean, it took much longer for Zergs to realize Banes are usable vs Protoss (minus some experiments in 2011...) edit: On September 02 2020 19:31 Elentos wrote: Yeah late warpgate into robo seems weird. I can see it if you want to do some sort of 2base immortal/warp prism thing. Soultrain back in the day was the same for example. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:29 Teoita wrote: Yeah sometimes you go tech before Warpgate, but that's usually for Stargate builds. It was a pretty odd build from Creator. Yep, if he just delayed starting it (to try and trick dark) then I could understand it but he actually cancelled and restarted it.... just sad to see. | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:32 Teoita wrote: I mean, it took much longer for Zergs to realize Banes are usable vs Protoss (minus some experiments in 2011...) It's mostly just the economy and maps that changed and made them usable Also +10 HP was nice | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:33 Durnuu wrote: It's mostly just the economy and maps that changed and made them usable Also +10 HP was nice Yea those were a big deal for sure, but bane drops were never kind to mineral lines. edit: I went through the VOD, Creator cancelled Warpgate, started a Twilight Council when he had ~150 gas, and then started Warpgate again. Total screwup on his end, it wasn't intended. | ||
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Elentos
55570 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:31 sneakyfox wrote: It was funny how we all laughed when they introduced blink for DTs. But somehow it took three years for protoss players to realise how powerful it is. It took longer for it to take off than I expected tbh. I guess Protoss for the longest time just had better options so it wasn't necessary. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:34 Teoita wrote: Yea those were a big deal for sure, but bane drops were never kind to mineral lines. At least they require preparation in the form of speed-drop-overlords and then also a bigger investment, plus a bit more micro. The really big problem is the roll-bys, which is almost pay X money to achieve Y damage. (with X and Y being constants) | ||
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Elentos
55570 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:33 Durnuu wrote: It's mostly just the economy and maps that changed and made them usable Also +10 HP was nice Also the fact that Zerg has a unit to kill force-fields now. Forcefield use in LotV went down a ton from HotS. | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:39 Elentos wrote: Also the fact that Zerg has a unit to kill force-fields now. Forcefield use in LotV went down a ton from HotS. True. But maps are so big and the economy so huge that i'm pretty sure Zerg could make banelings work even without forcefield killers. Losing 10 banes out of 70 to bait all the protoss forcefields oughta work  | ||
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