EPTMaybe allow friendly protoss units to phase through batteries, and possibly even have battery healing provide +1 armor vs melee attacks?
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Maybe allow friendly protoss units to phase through batteries, and possibly even have battery healing provide +1 armor vs melee attacks? | ||
Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:01 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: It may be (well past) time to help pvz early game cus that looked very stupid. Maybe allow friendly protoss units to phase through batteries, and possibly even have battery healing provide +1 armor vs melee attacks? I think the issue is that Protoss build batteries as a reaction to stuff they scout, but the build time is just too slow for that. If you wanted to be safer against the speedling allin, you would build your battery blindly (basically doing a Forge Expand 2.0), but honestly there aren't enough resources available for that to be a thing. I think a more elegant solution (which would also make Protoss more stable in general) is to reduce Shield Battery build time by like ~8-10 seconds. edit: also, being able to glitch units behind Protoss walls simply by spam clicking is pretty stupid and should also be addressed. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:03 Teoita wrote: I think the issue is that Protoss build batteries as a reaction to stuff they scout, but the build time is just too slow for that. If you wanted to be safer against that build, you would build your battery blindly (basically doing a Forge Expand 2.0), but honestly there aren't enough resources available for that to be a thing. So I think a more elegant solution (which would also make Protoss more stable in general) is to reduce Shield Battery build time by like ~8-10 seconds. Hmm, that's quite a nice change. Would make a big difference against that all-in in particular. I wonder if it could even be a bigger change, like 12-15 seconds less, but only if the battery is built in range of nexus? (to prevent buffing all-ins that make use of the battery). | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:03 Teoita wrote: I think the issue is that Protoss build batteries as a reaction to stuff they scout, but the build time is just too slow for that. If you wanted to be safer against the speedling allin, you would build your battery blindly (basically doing a Forge Expand 2.0), but honestly there aren't enough resources available for that to be a thing. I think a more elegant solution (which would also make Protoss more stable in general) is to reduce Shield Battery build time by like ~8-10 seconds. edit: also, being able to glitch units behind Protoss walls simply by spam clicking is pretty stupid and should also be addressed. I too would like TvP to become more miserable with every patch meant to address PvZ. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:07 Elentos wrote: I too would like TvP to become more miserable with every patch meant to address PvZ. You should know I'm always all for extra misery on non Protoss but seriously, early game Protoss is so goddamn fragile right now. | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:08 Teoita wrote: Maybe but then you get in this weird "Protoss things are only good next to a Nexus" which is a bit annoying. You should know I'm always all for extra misery on non Protoss but seriously, early game Protoss is so goddamn fragile right now. I don't think Protoss early game is fragile against Terran but it's hilariously fragile against Zerg. | ||
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seemsgood
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Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:08 Teoita wrote: Maybe but then you get in this weird "Protoss things are only good next to a Nexus" which is a bit annoying. For a buff that is explicitly aimed at making defense easier, I think that's quite fine. And shield battery based all-ins are already pretty good  | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:08 Teoita wrote: Maybe but then you get in this weird "Protoss things are only good next to a Nexus" which is a bit annoying. You should know I'm always all for extra misery on non Protoss but seriously, early game Protoss is so goddamn fragile right now. but zerg is still gonna rekt toss one way or another tho ;p best way to fix PvZ is to buff terran handsomely | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:11 Teoita wrote: Dunno, to me it feels like if you misshandle the first Terran harassment move with hellions, mines or whatever the game kinda ends, and those tend to hit before warpgate so it's really tricky. I agree it's not as bad as against Zerg though. I think those are much easier to handle. You can wall hellions out easily since they can't glitch their way past units, almost nobody has trouble defending mine drops either and shield batteries take care of practically everything else other than dedicated all-ins. Which is disregarding the fact that Protoss can also do stuff early against Terran whereas you can't exactly Maxpax in PvZ. I mean there's a reason TvP win rates are kinda in the gutter for the last few months. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 02 2020 18:53 seemsgood wrote: min maxer is perfectionist dats perfect at one aspect and be cool with it ;p The issue is that min maxer also needs to choose aspect to be perfect at or it's not a min max at all. | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:17 lolfail9001 wrote: The issue is that min maxer also needs to choose aspect to be perfect at or it's not a min max at all. Stats has maxed pretending that playing PvZ like it's 2017 is a good idea and has minimized his skill in modern styles  | ||
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seemsgood
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: That pickup was great. And he did it twice. 150 raven energy for nothing! | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:20 Elentos wrote: And he did it twice. 150 raven energy for nothing! Zesty plays. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
Smooth transition into floating 1k/1k and being behind in army supply as a result. Full Zest. edit: and then dumping said 1k/1k bank in DTs only. Fullest Zest. | ||
Poopi
France13015 Posts
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On September 02 2020 19:21 Teoita wrote: Smooth transition into floating 1k/1k and being behind in army supply as a result. Full Zest. It was an alpha move, got TaeJa to back up without the need for Zest to make more army | ||
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