On August 08 2020 18:17 MarianoSC2 wrote: It's impressive that TY came this far to be honest. It just shows that he is clearly the smartest player and best tactician out there because in terms of mechanics there are for sure better players. Also TY form hasn't been the best for a long time. Mostly when I saw him play he went for cheese or super agro. Stats looked a level above TY today, well played by him. Now he will get dumpstered in the finals because Rogue bo7 and ZvP...
Yeah ZvP is bad I agree but as a little fuel to the statistical fire Stats has won all his premier finals wins against Zerg opposition and is the last player to hand Rogue an offline loss (admittedly in a Bo3). Also he's just broke his losing streak against TY.
Even though I am a big Rogue fan, I would be equally happy if Stats made it. Just don't see it happening. Playing solid against Zerg is not enough and Rogue is just too unpredictable to prepare for in a bo7. But we will see maybe Stats can bring some magic and at least make it a game
On August 08 2020 18:17 MarianoSC2 wrote: It's impressive that TY came this far to be honest. It just shows that he is clearly the smartest player and best tactician out there because in terms of mechanics there are for sure better players. Also TY form hasn't been the best for a long time. Mostly when I saw him play he went for cheese or super agro. Stats looked a level above TY today, well played by him. Now he will get dumpstered in the finals because Rogue bo7 and ZvP...
Yeah ZvP is bad I agree but as a little fuel to the statistical fire Stats has won all his premier finals wins against Zerg opposition and is the last player to hand Rogue an offline loss (admittedly in a Bo3). Also he's just broke his losing streak against TY.
Even though I am a big Rogue fan, I would be equally happy if Stats made it. Just don't see it happening. Playing solid against Zerg is not enough and Rogue is just too unpredictable to prepare for in a bo7. But we will see maybe Stats can bring some magic and at least make it a game
Yeah Rogue is definitely favoured but if anyone can do it it's Stats.
On August 08 2020 18:52 deacon.frost wrote: Everybody - Terran patch. Code S as the most Terran favored tournament - Nelson laughs at all the people
Last season was a TvT finals, so this evens things out
Terran patch - no terrans in the finals, sure, buddy
I mean last season it was a "terran patch" But this season is a different patch to last season so no its clearly not a terran patch anymore and barely any1 is saying it is.. So maybe stop using that phrase acting like it still is?
There was never a Terran patch. People just over reacted to a single GSL which was obviously a fluke even at the time. Just go back and watch the way Inno beat Zest and Trap. That was so obviously not a sustainable way to win PvT. Zerg only underperformed because Scarlett cheesed out Rogue and Dark is slumping. There was never a period this year where TvZ truly favored Terran by any significant margin.
On August 08 2020 22:45 JJH777 wrote: There was never a Terran patch. People just over reacted to a single GSL which was obviously a fluke even at the time. Just go back and watch the way Inno beat Zest and Trap. That was so obviously not a sustainable way to win PvT. Zerg only underperformed because Scarlett cheesed out Rogue and Dark is slumping. There was never a period this year where TvZ truly favored Terran by any significant margin.
Reminds me of that real Protoss dominated Super Tournament eliciting the same reaction.
The pool of really top, top players is quite small and a few results can make a really unrepresentative bracket. Happened then and I’d argue people went overboard about P (and did at the time), think the same happened with T.
Actually looking at some of the games as you say, some of what Terran was pulling off was potent in some of those games, but equally never felt a stable, solid way to approach matchups in the long run.
Be it the rumoured wrists or just a more mental slump, take Dark the best ZvTer in the world’s level down a little and have Rogue cheesed out and those are big blows for Zerg in a season.
As for the series, pretty good although that may be influenced by how bad most of the Ro8 and Ro4 have been in general.
Come on Stats, for Aiur! I love both players, I mean who can’t love Stats, he makes Protoss almost bearable, so long as he can do the business in the final.
DT blink is, em. Yes... Pretty broken in that stage of the match, in that particular matchup, against that particular race. Stats did play bloody well too so not detracting from his triumph today.
Probably not nearly as bad at lower levels where players are more static with armies and overbuild static D, but when top players have to cut corners and be constantly active they’re insane.
I would personally at least look at an attack cooldown after a blink, so they can’t nuke buildings instantly without a defender having a chance, or jump onto units as effectively.
I think the niche should be in preserving DTs so you’re not just saccing them and haemorrhaging money and giving them more lategame utility than being used to nuke things before even AlphaStar could react.
On August 08 2020 22:45 JJH777 wrote: There was never a Terran patch. People just over reacted to a single GSL which was obviously a fluke even at the time. Just go back and watch the way Inno beat Zest and Trap. That was so obviously not a sustainable way to win PvT. Zerg only underperformed because Scarlett cheesed out Rogue and Dark is slumping. There was never a period this year where TvZ truly favored Terran by any significant margin.
That's just false, maps favored Terran; they had an advantage against both Zerg and Protoss but the map pool is different now.
Protoss Spring last year was indeed a fluke because without no balance changes and identical map pool Zerg were starting to adjust.
On August 08 2020 22:45 JJH777 wrote: There was never a Terran patch. People just over reacted to a single GSL which was obviously a fluke even at the time. Just go back and watch the way Inno beat Zest and Trap. That was so obviously not a sustainable way to win PvT. Zerg only underperformed because Scarlett cheesed out Rogue and Dark is slumping. There was never a period this year where TvZ truly favored Terran by any significant margin.
That's just false, maps favored Terran; they had an advantage against both Zerg and Protoss but the map pool is different now.
Protoss Spring last year was indeed a fluke because without no balance changes and identical map pool Zerg were starting to adjust.
IEM was on the same patch and had only like 3 different maps (so with vetos the pool could be basically only maps that were in IEM for most of the tournament if Z/P so chose) and had all the same Terrans and only 2 made the top 12. Super Tournament had the same map pool as the ro24 of that GSL season and while Terran did well at and won Super Tournament it wasn't a big over performance the way GSL S1 was. Results would have balanced back out again with the same map pool.
TSL5 was mostly the same map pool too and Terran did not over perform there much at all.
On August 08 2020 18:17 MarianoSC2 wrote: It's impressive that TY came this far to be honest. It just shows that he is clearly the smartest player and best tactician out there because in terms of mechanics there are for sure better players. Also TY form hasn't been the best for a long time. Mostly when I saw him play he went for cheese or super agro. Stats looked a level above TY today, well played by him. Now he will get dumpstered in the finals because Rogue bo7 and ZvP...
Yeah ZvP is bad I agree but as a little fuel to the statistical fire Stats has won all his premier finals wins against Zerg opposition and is the last player to hand Rogue an offline loss (admittedly in a Bo3). Also he's just broke his losing streak against TY.
Didnt know 2018 GSL v the World and Blizzcon weren't Premier tournaments
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