EPT[GSL 2020] Code S - Semi Finals - Day 2 - Page 11
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Cricketer12
United States14000 Posts
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fastr
France902 Posts
On August 08 2020 14:48 Whatson wrote: Well, late-game TvZ is decent, TvP late-game has always been a nightmare. Disruptor + Collosi + Archon/HT + DTs? Good luck TvZ is in a great spot, bio late-game is a bit harder but the micro monsters can make it work, and if you survive the mid game with mech you're usually in a great spot. TvP... Well after this series there's nothing to add. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
And having 30 supply of units + detection everywhere is impossible. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 08 2020 14:50 Elentos wrote: Those things are easier to defend the longer the game goes on just because your vision expands. Blink DTs aren't covered by just vision and they need a very dedicated response cause it's usually whole groups of them and you need to make sure whatever you send to defend doesn't get blunked on and dies. But it also has to be little enough so that you don't lose any other front. And disruptors with the main army mean you have a good shot at holding off the terran for a while even if your main army has a much smaller supply. | ||
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shockaslim
United States1105 Posts
On August 08 2020 14:46 [Phantom] wrote: Change DTs to medivacs, or hellions or mines and it's a similar concept. Or Mutas for Zerg. But with medivacs and mutas at least a sizeable chunk of actual army is cut off. With DTs they are doing crazy damage, can slip in easily, and are not really part of the deathball. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 08 2020 14:50 Whatson wrote: Come on, you know very well that none of those units are similar to DTs at all lol Mines are the closest thing, and even they need to actually burrow in order to do damage and get cloaked Now if mines could teleport and were permacloaked? Then sure. Also mines don't kill planetaries before any human being can process the alert notification. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
TvP still boils down to not letting Protoss get to 4 bases. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On August 08 2020 14:50 Whatson wrote: Come on, you know very well that none of those units are similar to DTs at all lol Mines are the closest thing, and even they need to actually burrow in order to do damage and get cloaked Now if mines could teleport and were permacloaked? Then sure. And kept shooting when burrowed, while being able to attack buildings. | ||
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
On August 08 2020 14:55 Whatson wrote: Sometime in the past year Protosses realized that DTs actually do insane damage even when uncloaked and can easily replace zealots lol TvP still boils down to not letting Protoss get to 4 bases. It would be fine if Terran could secure 4 or 5 bases as easily as Protoss but that hasn't been a thing since Kings Cove | ||
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Elentos
55591 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On August 08 2020 14:58 Elentos wrote: My biggest worry for Stats is that I don't know what he plays for in PvZ. He's a defensive macro player by nature, but that doesn't seem great. There's no figured out comp to go into that I'm aware of. How you're meant to go about playing PvT was pretty figured out already. In the Ro16 Stats did get a good position against Rogue with double stargate phoenix before kinda throwing. I'd be happy if we saw more of that type of stuff instead of adepts. | ||
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Elentos
55591 Posts
On August 08 2020 14:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: On the flip-side this DT stuff is still a sorta recent development so hopefully the meta still has room to develop. And once it fails to do so the nerfs to this are relatively straightforward (much more so than PvZ's problems). I think the only way to actually play against that properly is the ultra turtly style TY did vs PartinG on Nightshade. And I don't think you can do that on this map pool except on Eternal and Ice and Chrome. Like Inno did it in Douyu Cup the other day on Ice and Chrome (also vs PartinG), just camping until PartinG got too inefficient. But I don't think that was optimal Protoss play either. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 08 2020 14:56 Morbidius wrote: And kept shooting when burrowed, while being able to attack buildings. Also mines do damage once then are dead supply for 40 seconds. DTs kill one base then blink to the next | ||
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
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rayl991
Afghanistan80 Posts
On August 08 2020 14:51 fastr wrote: TvZ is in a great spot, bio late-game is a bit harder but the micro monsters can make it work, and if you survive the mid game with mech you're usually in a great spot. TvP... Well after this series there's nothing to add. lol no. TvZ late game is not decent when its just the zerg spamming banes with superior economy and production capabilities. Terran might as well gg if they did no significant damage to Zerg in the early game. The problem with TvP late game imo is the amount of splash Protoss can utilize (Storm, Distruptor, Archon, Colllosi) compared to the Terran (Static tanks/mines + emp that doesn't kill). | ||
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Russano
United States434 Posts
He looked so great in this series - wonderful as long as he was allowed by TY to have more than 1 gateway worth of production. | ||
Poopi
France13011 Posts
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Elentos
55591 Posts
On August 08 2020 17:30 Poopi wrote: How was the series? Poor TY Well the short version is that TY lost every game that went past the 6 minute mark. There were some decent macro games but tbh it didn't really look like TY was gonna win one of those, Stats was mostly in control. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Stats looked a level above TY today, well played by him. Now he will get dumpstered in the finals because Rogue bo7 and ZvP... | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
On August 08 2020 18:17 MarianoSC2 wrote: It's impressive that TY came this far to be honest. It just shows that he is clearly the smartest player and best tactician out there because in terms of mechanics there are for sure better players. Also TY form hasn't been the best for a long time. Mostly when I saw him play he went for cheese or super agro. Stats looked a level above TY today, well played by him. Now he will get dumpstered in the finals because Rogue bo7 and ZvP... Yeah ZvP is bad I agree but as a little fuel to the statistical fire Stats has won all his premier finals wins against Zerg opposition and is the last player to hand Rogue an offline loss (admittedly in a Bo3). Also he's just broke his losing streak against TY. | ||
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