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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-19 15:12:51
July 19 2020 15:12 GMT
#2061
On July 20 2020 00:08 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2020 00:07 BerserkSword wrote:
On July 20 2020 00:06 Elentos wrote:
Huh. Trap actually beats a world class Zerg.


To be fair to Trap, he lost more to Nydus SH and infestors last year, iirc

dude is world class mechanically and a very smart player otherwise

Even at the start of this year he lost to alot of zergs (he really imporved that mu it seems, maybe that's why his pvt suffered :D )


he wasnt winning them all but he wasnt only losing to world class zergs either

he swept all the zergs in both code S's for exampmle, including soo

even in WCS finals 2019 he barely lost to reynor 2-3
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3515 Posts
July 19 2020 15:12 GMT
#2062
On July 20 2020 00:11 Fango wrote:
Wait Trap won?? I just got here what happened

Reynor played mediocre to bad and faltered to pressure/adpets.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
July 19 2020 15:12 GMT
#2063
Coach Gemini for the win
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
July 19 2020 15:12 GMT
#2064
On July 20 2020 00:11 Fango wrote:
Wait Trap won?? I just got here what happened


Game 1: Trap expanded behind the Golden Wall, proxied Oracles, did damage, transitioned into Archon harass then killed Reynor with a Chargelot timing.
Game 2: Reynor defended really poorly against Adept aggression, Trap transitioned into Disruptors which were garbage against the Zerglings, but then got Colossi and won.
Game 4: Adept all-in.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 19 2020 15:12 GMT
#2065
On July 20 2020 00:10 darklycid wrote:
It was also 5 or 6 gatea adept no? The drg defense is good vs 4 gates.


Yeah it wasn't the standard adept timing. Also that wasn't the DRG defense I think. You stay on 40 drones for that one.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
July 19 2020 15:12 GMT
#2066
On July 20 2020 00:08 dysenterymd wrote:
Serral is the overwhelming favorite to win this now right? Can't imagine Trap having enough builds left to beat Serral.

Guess Cure has a chance to ruin that though.


This might be Trap's first championship title after like 6 years. Let all aboard hype toss train.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
July 19 2020 15:12 GMT
#2067
On July 20 2020 00:11 Fango wrote:
Wait Trap won?? I just got here what happened


A disturbance in the Force happened. :D
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yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
July 19 2020 15:12 GMT
#2068
On July 20 2020 00:07 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2020 00:06 Elentos wrote:
Huh. Trap actually beats a world class Zerg.


To be fair to Trap, he lost more to Nydus SH and infestors last year, iirc

dude is world class mechanically and a very smart player otherwise

Trap feels a bit like Classic to me, pretty smart and very bag-of-builds-y, which is great in today's PvZ meta. He also plays a mean macro game, which is quite useless in today's PvZ meta

Interesting to see how Trap switched up standard builds in G1, 2, and 4, his wins.

First game, the oracle -> HT archon drop is already pretty out of fashion (hence the late roach warren by Reynor), and Trap adds gates 5-6 instead of the usual third base to make for a deadly 2 base allin against 70 drones.

G2 was a bizarre take on the usual gladept play, with a fast 2nd and 3rd gate before twilight, but it forced Reynor into a huge number of lings and a late roach warren. I checked the timings, and the standard glaives hits at 4:24 with 8 adepts, while Trap managed to be at the third base with 8 adepts at around 4:35, with a later prism/glaives, but holding Reynor to like 34 drones and no roach warren, which generated way more damage than usual.

G4 just seemed sloppy by Reynor tbh, but doing the standard glaives build but adding a late gates 5-6 should have been easy to scout and react to. It's probably smart, since the glaive defense is very tight these days, so a few extra adepts might screw it up a lot more than we'd expect, but I can't imagine it's a meta-breaking variation.
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
July 19 2020 15:14 GMT
#2069
So happy for Trap. What a total badass
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
July 19 2020 15:14 GMT
#2070
@Wax are you the translator? Seems like it's your voice and accent
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
July 19 2020 15:14 GMT
#2071
On July 20 2020 00:12 yubo56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2020 00:07 BerserkSword wrote:
On July 20 2020 00:06 Elentos wrote:
Huh. Trap actually beats a world class Zerg.


To be fair to Trap, he lost more to Nydus SH and infestors last year, iirc

dude is world class mechanically and a very smart player otherwise

Trap feels a bit like Classic to me, pretty smart and very bag-of-builds-y, which is great in today's PvZ meta. He also plays a mean macro game, which is quite useless in today's PvZ meta

Interesting to see how Trap switched up standard builds in G1, 2, and 4, his wins.

First game, the oracle -> HT archon drop is already pretty out of fashion (hence the late roach warren by Reynor), and Trap adds gates 5-6 instead of the usual third base to make for a deadly 2 base allin against 70 drones.

G2 was a bizarre take on the usual gladept play, with a fast 2nd and 3rd gate before twilight, but it forced Reynor into a huge number of lings and a late roach warren. I checked the timings, and the standard glaives hits at 4:24 with 8 adepts, while Trap managed to be at the third base with 8 adepts at around 4:35, with a later prism/glaives, but holding Reynor to like 34 drones and no roach warren, which generated way more damage than usual.

G4 just seemed sloppy by Reynor tbh, but doing the standard glaives build but adding a late gates 5-6 should have been easy to scout and react to. It's probably smart, since the glaive defense is very tight these days, so a few extra adepts might screw it up a lot more than we'd expect, but I can't imagine it's a meta-breaking variation.


He couldn't scout in game 4 because he lost his Overlord
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
July 19 2020 15:14 GMT
#2072
On July 19 2020 21:50 RKC wrote:
So who's more likely to drop the ball - Serral or Reynor?

Head says Cure, the clown fiesta in me says Trap edges out Reynor only to get 4-0ed by Serral in the most anti-climatic finals since Maru v Zest / Nestea v Inca...


Oh gosh, I missed the clown fiesta! How was it?
gg no re thx
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
July 19 2020 15:16 GMT
#2073
Trap setting himself up for another second place.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
July 19 2020 15:16 GMT
#2074
On July 20 2020 00:14 Aeromi wrote:
@Wax are you the translator? Seems like it's your voice and accent


Wax translations so good he put Smix out of a job
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whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-19 15:20:16
July 19 2020 15:17 GMT
#2075
Trap is so likeable tho, kinda happy he won even if I was on Reynor hypetrain.

"to be honest i dont think ping is the reason i lost i didnt play too hot but giving the koreans the chance to force west only is a bit of a joke" - Reynor on Twitter.

Hmmm...
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StaNi
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine54 Posts
July 19 2020 15:20 GMT
#2076
INnoVation yesterday, Trap today showing how good they on preporation. Imaging they have 1 week for it or more, It's why "goat" Serral and others never win GSL. Ofc I mean standart GSL, not Super Tournament and stuff like that. In skill maybe some foreigens on the same level with top koreans, maybe even better but in termp of preporation it's a huge difference
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 19 2020 15:20 GMT
#2077
On July 20 2020 00:12 yubo56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2020 00:07 BerserkSword wrote:
On July 20 2020 00:06 Elentos wrote:
Huh. Trap actually beats a world class Zerg.


To be fair to Trap, he lost more to Nydus SH and infestors last year, iirc

dude is world class mechanically and a very smart player otherwise

Trap feels a bit like Classic to me, pretty smart and very bag-of-builds-y, which is great in today's PvZ meta. He also plays a mean macro game, which is quite useless in today's PvZ meta

Interesting to see how Trap switched up standard builds in G1, 2, and 4, his wins.

First game, the oracle -> HT archon drop is already pretty out of fashion (hence the late roach warren by Reynor), and Trap adds gates 5-6 instead of the usual third base to make for a deadly 2 base allin against 70 drones.

G2 was a bizarre take on the usual gladept play, with a fast 2nd and 3rd gate before twilight, but it forced Reynor into a huge number of lings and a late roach warren. I checked the timings, and the standard glaives hits at 4:24 with 8 adepts, while Trap managed to be at the third base with 8 adepts at around 4:35, with a later prism/glaives, but holding Reynor to like 34 drones and no roach warren, which generated way more damage than usual.

G4 just seemed sloppy by Reynor tbh, but doing the standard glaives build but adding a late gates 5-6 should have been easy to scout and react to. It's probably smart, since the glaive defense is very tight these days, so a few extra adepts might screw it up a lot more than we'd expect, but I can't imagine it's a meta-breaking variation.


He does seem to be going on classic's trajectory at least in PvZ. Classic originally fell a bit on the macro toss end of the spectrum. Then he shifted to his madhouse of PvZ timings.

Damn I miss classic.
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3515 Posts
July 19 2020 15:20 GMT
#2078
So Pvz in finals trap doesnt have enough builds anymore so rip if pvz finals?
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
July 19 2020 15:20 GMT
#2079
Rogue's build saved the day.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 19 2020 15:22 GMT
#2080
On July 20 2020 00:20 StaNi wrote:
INnoVation yesterday, Trap today showing how good they on preporation. Imaging they have 1 week for it or more, It's why "goat" Serral and others never win GSL. Ofc I mean standart GSL, not Super Tournament and stuff like that. In skill maybe some foreigens on the same level with top koreans, maybe even better but in termp of preporation it's a huge difference


Not to mention the fact that Serral would be playing on the Korean ladder, so Koreans would know more about him.

There is so much data on Koreans compared to what the Koreans have on Serral.

At the absolute highest level, data on an opponent is so important.
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