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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Who Advances? Maru & INnoVation (20) RagnaroK & INnoVation (5) INnoVation & Zest (4) RagnaroK & Maru (2) Maru & Zest (1) Zest & RagnaroK (1) 33 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): RagnaroK & INnoVation | ||
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 16 2020 05:03 dbRic1203 wrote: Going with the #TerranMaps meme and predicting Maru Inno GSL's replaced P&I with Obsidian though. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
All maps are the same when they're vetoed. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
But it does swap the veto from the zerg side to the terran side, so technically it is now a slight "nerf" to terran. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
Why is P&I a Terran Map? i vetoed it because it seems impossible to cover all prism entrances. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 16 2020 09:08 Morbidius wrote: Why is P&I a Terran Map? i vetoed it because it seems impossible to cover all prism entrances. I was mostly thinking of TvZ when I said that (considering P&I is probably the most broken map for terran in years for TvZ). For TvP I do think all the drop angles help Terran more than Protoss though. There's often drops at the back of the main, combined with attacks at the front that pull the Protoss apart. The winrates in pro games also lean quite heavily in Terran's favor though admittedly the sample size is quite small given how often the map gets vetoed. Also if I had to guess Obsidian should be quite bad for Terran (given that it's a miniature version of Darkness Sanctuary) . | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17720 Posts
On May 16 2020 09:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I was mostly thinking of TvZ when I said that (considering P&I is probably the most broken map for terran in years for TvZ). For TvP I do think all the drop angles help Terran more than Protoss though. There's often drops at the back of the main, combined with attacks at the front that pull the Protoss apart. The winrates in pro games also lean quite heavily in Terran's favor though admittedly the sample size is quite small given how often the map gets vetoed. how often each race vetoed each map would be an interesting stat | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 16 2020 09:48 Die4Ever wrote: how often each race vetoed each map would be an interesting stat Yeah that would inform us about what pros think about the maps (which doesn't always align with the map winrate interestingly enough) . Unfortunately that doesn't get recorded on Liquipedia most of the time. From memory I do think it's usually the Protoss that vetoes P&I it in TvP. And in teamleagues (like NeXT) it's usually terrans that get sent out on P&I. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Maru - 7 Zest - 5 INno - 3 Rag - 1 Also people are predicting INno to advance over Zest? | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On May 16 2020 10:18 Fango wrote: Out of 11 seasons in LotV, number of times they've reached ro8 goes Maru - 7 Zest - 5 INno - 3 Rag - 1 Also people are predicting INno to advance over Zest? Inno is ridiculously inconsistent for someone people claim to be the GOAT. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 16 2020 11:21 Morbidius wrote: Inno is ridiculously inconsistent for someone people claim to be the GOAT. Most people measure GOAT based off titles won. Consistently losing in the Ro4 means a lot less than a glittering trophy case, for obvious reasons. Even the gap between first and second is huge–just ask soO. Being the best means you're better than everyone else, and everyone besides the champion loses at some point. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 16 2020 11:21 Morbidius wrote: Inno is ridiculously inconsistent for someone people claim to be the GOAT. I've been saying this for a while. It's easy to look at his results and say 'he wins like one tournament a year for seven years, that's consistency', but if you look at any year in particular it's mostly him winning one event and then not making a huge splash in anything else. 2017 is the only exception. I think he's only made consecutive ro8s in GSL once? Hell if you go back season by season and compare him to Maru (since HotS) and TY (since LotV) he's extremely far behind on the consistency department. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 16 2020 11:21 Morbidius wrote: Inno is ridiculously inconsistent for someone people claim to be the GOAT. INno used to have the 3rd highest overall win rate with the exception of Serral and ByuN who farmed foreign tournament (dunno if it change since last year tho) he's pretty consistent, he's just not clutch at all. Edit: Still the case as far as I can tell, 3rd in both map and match win % | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
Innovation won in multiple eras, and is by far the most successful team league player of all time with by far the most amount of all-kills of all time. That was the pinnacle of SC2 and Innovation was the simply the best. Innovation is always a threat. Even when he is "slumping" he has the capacity to beat a peak serral in a best of 7 WESG finals. He didnt rely on favorable metagames as much as maru did either. Maru and TY don't come close. If you watch them play Innovation also has superior mechanics. | ||
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seemsgood
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On May 16 2020 11:46 seemsgood wrote: muh body is ready for both this group of death and TSL got my booze ready for sc2 marathon | ||
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