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Map Pool Group D![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1850.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/3498.jpg)  Maru vs  RagnaroK![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/663.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/977.jpg) INnoVation vs  ZestResults+ Show Spoiler [Match List] + CSS: FO-nTTaX Awesomeness: Panda Banner: GSL | ||
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Poll: Who Advances? Maru & INnoVation (20) RagnaroK & INnoVation (5) INnoVation & Zest (4) RagnaroK & Maru (2) Maru & Zest (1) Zest & RagnaroK (1) 33 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): RagnaroK & INnoVation | ||
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On May 16 2020 05:03 dbRic1203 wrote: Going with the #TerranMaps meme and predicting Maru Inno GSL's replaced P&I with Obsidian though. | ||
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pvsnp
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All maps are the same when they're vetoed. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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But it does swap the veto from the zerg side to the terran side, so technically it is now a slight "nerf" to terran. | ||
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Morbidius
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Why is P&I a Terran Map? i vetoed it because it seems impossible to cover all prism entrances. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On May 16 2020 09:08 Morbidius wrote: Why is P&I a Terran Map? i vetoed it because it seems impossible to cover all prism entrances. I was mostly thinking of TvZ when I said that (considering P&I is probably the most broken map for terran in years for TvZ). For TvP I do think all the drop angles help Terran more than Protoss though. There's often drops at the back of the main, combined with attacks at the front that pull the Protoss apart. The winrates in pro games also lean quite heavily in Terran's favor though admittedly the sample size is quite small given how often the map gets vetoed. Also if I had to guess Obsidian should be quite bad for Terran (given that it's a miniature version of Darkness Sanctuary) . | ||
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Die4Ever
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On May 16 2020 09:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I was mostly thinking of TvZ when I said that (considering P&I is probably the most broken map for terran in years for TvZ). For TvP I do think all the drop angles help Terran more than Protoss though. There's often drops at the back of the main, combined with attacks at the front that pull the Protoss apart. The winrates in pro games also lean quite heavily in Terran's favor though admittedly the sample size is quite small given how often the map gets vetoed. how often each race vetoed each map would be an interesting stat | ||
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On May 16 2020 09:48 Die4Ever wrote: how often each race vetoed each map would be an interesting stat Yeah that would inform us about what pros think about the maps (which doesn't always align with the map winrate interestingly enough) . Unfortunately that doesn't get recorded on Liquipedia most of the time. From memory I do think it's usually the Protoss that vetoes P&I it in TvP. And in teamleagues (like NeXT) it's usually terrans that get sent out on P&I. | ||
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Maru - 7 Zest - 5 INno - 3 Rag - 1 Also people are predicting INno to advance over Zest? | ||
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On May 16 2020 10:18 Fango wrote: Out of 11 seasons in LotV, number of times they've reached ro8 goes Maru - 7 Zest - 5 INno - 3 Rag - 1 Also people are predicting INno to advance over Zest? Inno is ridiculously inconsistent for someone people claim to be the GOAT. | ||
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On May 16 2020 11:21 Morbidius wrote: Inno is ridiculously inconsistent for someone people claim to be the GOAT. Most people measure GOAT based off titles won. Consistently losing in the Ro4 means a lot less than a glittering trophy case, for obvious reasons. Even the gap between first and second is huge–just ask soO. Being the best means you're better than everyone else, and everyone besides the champion loses at some point. | ||
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Fango
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On May 16 2020 11:21 Morbidius wrote: Inno is ridiculously inconsistent for someone people claim to be the GOAT. I've been saying this for a while. It's easy to look at his results and say 'he wins like one tournament a year for seven years, that's consistency', but if you look at any year in particular it's mostly him winning one event and then not making a huge splash in anything else. 2017 is the only exception. I think he's only made consecutive ro8s in GSL once? Hell if you go back season by season and compare him to Maru (since HotS) and TY (since LotV) he's extremely far behind on the consistency department. | ||
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On May 16 2020 11:21 Morbidius wrote: Inno is ridiculously inconsistent for someone people claim to be the GOAT. INno used to have the 3rd highest overall win rate with the exception of Serral and ByuN who farmed foreign tournament (dunno if it change since last year tho) he's pretty consistent, he's just not clutch at all. Edit: Still the case as far as I can tell, 3rd in both map and match win % | ||
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Innovation won in multiple eras, and is by far the most successful team league player of all time with by far the most amount of all-kills of all time. That was the pinnacle of SC2 and Innovation was the simply the best. Innovation is always a threat. Even when he is "slumping" he has the capacity to beat a peak serral in a best of 7 WESG finals. He didnt rely on favorable metagames as much as maru did either. Maru and TY don't come close. If you watch them play Innovation also has superior mechanics. | ||
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On May 16 2020 11:46 seemsgood wrote: muh body is ready for both this group of death and TSL got my booze ready for sc2 marathon | ||
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On May 16 2020 11:24 pvsnp wrote: Most people measure GOAT based off titles won. Consistently losing in the Ro4 means a lot less than a glittering trophy case, for obvious reasons. Even the gap between first and second is huge–just ask soO. Being the best means you're better than everyone else, and everyone besides the champion loses at some point. Consistently losing in the RO4 is something Inno can't do. I think he only got consecutive RO8 appearances once. | ||
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Die4Ever
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On May 16 2020 11:46 seemsgood wrote: muh body is ready for both this group of death and TSL omg TSL is right after this | ||
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pvsnp
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On May 16 2020 12:03 Morbidius wrote: Consistently losing in the RO4 is something Inno can't do. I think he only got consecutive RO8 appearances once. Yeah. He's more of the "glittering trophy case" kind of guy. Which is why his name is in the GOAT discussions. | ||
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On May 16 2020 11:44 BerserkSword wrote: Innovation blows Maru and TY out of the water. Innovation won in multiple eras, and is by far the most successful team league player of all time with by far the most amount of all-kills of all time. That was the pinnacle of SC2 and Innovation was the simply the best. Innovation is always a threat. Even when he is "slumping" he has the capacity to beat a peak serral in a best of 7 WESG finals. He didnt rely on favorable metagames as much as maru did either. Maru and TY don't come close. If you watch them play Innovation also has superior mechanics. You cannot be serious about Maru not coming close, the only thing inno has on maru is tournament wins/results outside of korea. This in particular has to be a joke: He didnt rely on favorable metagames as much as maru did either. | ||
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On May 16 2020 12:39 The_Red_Viper wrote: You cannot be serious about Maru not coming close, the only thing inno has on maru is tournament wins/results outside of korea. This in particular has to be a joke: Don't bother. It's coming from the same guy who insisted that pure mechanics are more important in TvT than TvZ. | ||
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On May 16 2020 12:50 pvsnp wrote: Don't bother. It's coming from the same guy who insisted that pure mechanics are more important in TvT than TvZ. The same guy who says Parting has better micro than Maru. | ||
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And Group C, 9 second-places? Just Wow | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:07 OsaX Nymloth wrote: I just remembered this isn't on Twitch so I can't make a fast clip. If somebody have this, pls paste it in here. my most missed feature from twitch, idk why youtube doesn't add it, it doesn't even require making another video file just save the start time and end time of the clip, even 3rd party websites can do that with youtube videos | ||
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pumpmepleasure
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Guessing Maru 2-1 Zest 2-0 Inno 2-0 Maru 2-1 Zest 2-1 Zest and Maru out. No reason for my guesses lol. So siked for TSL 5 tomorrow. | ||
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On May 16 2020 12:39 The_Red_Viper wrote: You cannot be serious about Maru not coming close, the only thing inno has on maru is tournament wins/results outside of korea. This in particular has to be a joke: Inno also has a better career in terms of Korean tournaments. Dude is the proleague GOAT On May 16 2020 12:50 pvsnp wrote: Don't bother. It's coming from the same guy who insisted that pure mechanics are more important in TvT than TvZ. It's fact dude. Sorry that it might destroy whatever narrative you like to construct. This is 2020, where thors, the most a-move unit in the game are extremely good against zerg, and players like clem can regularly beat mechanical juggernauts in reynor and even serral in macro games. Dream can sweep Dark including in macro games. BC, click move units, can get guaranteed damage in a BC opener. etc etc TvZ is not more mechanically demanding than TvT lol. | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:11 BerserkSword wrote: Inno also has a better career in terms of Korean tournaments. Dude is the proleague GOAT It's fact dude. Sorry that it might destroy whatever narrative you like to construct. This is 2020, where thors, the most a-move unit in the game are extremely good against zerg, and players like clem can regularly beat mechanical juggernauts in reynor and even serral in macro games. Dream can sweep Dark including in macro games. BC, click move units, can get guaranteed damage in a BC opener. etc etc TvZ is not more mechanically demanding than TvT lol. See what I mean? | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:21 Argonauta wrote: No marauders this game I see 1 and there's a few more | ||
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I wish I could clip that too | ||
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right when I said that. I still find interesting he choose to go full marine and skip the gas cost marauder to tech a bit quicker. | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:24 Topin wrote: 25 scvs for 1 hatch wasnt enough? or marus macro was is just a lot better? He was ahead in supply even before that push, so I guess he is just a monster. | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:23 pvsnp wrote: Ragnarok is actually playing quite well today, but it just doesn't matter. I think he's only playing okay so far. I've definitely seen him play better than this before. | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:24 Topin wrote: 25 scvs for 1 hatch wasnt enough? or marus macro was is just a lot better? It wasn't maru's macro. Ragnarok needed to do more damage | ||
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there's no punish for the medivacs can someone explain>? | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:27 CloudCat wrote: why did ragnarok play ling bane against maru in g1? there's no punish for the medivacs can someone explain>? I didn't see game 1 but isn't pure ling bane a much easier hold against the common 8raxs that people always do on this map cos it's so strong on it? | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:27 CloudCat wrote: why did ragnarok play ling bane against maru in g1? there's no punish for the medivacs can someone explain>? Ling/bane straight into hive is a normal ZvT playstyle. You defend non stop, use queens to defend against the medivacs, and runby with lings to do counterattack damage. Once you're on hive tech you have ultras to push back the terran and then you can transition into other stuff. | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:33 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Drone going ham on SCV was what broke Maru there Nerf drones | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:33 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Drone going ham on SCV was what broke Maru there "ragnarok was piloting that drone" - tastetosis | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:33 Waxangel wrote: Oooo, RagnaroK potential :o I guess we have to hide the "at least you tried" memes for Ragnarok? | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:33 Waxangel wrote: Oooo, RagnaroK potential :o Ragnarok to Group D: "I'm not trapped in here with you. You're trapped in here with me" | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:37 OsaX Nymloth wrote: Is it a real series if Maru doesn't proxy even once? tfw ty is flying proxy barracks' into zergs bases and maru going fast 3rd ccs | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:43 geokilla wrote: After watching so many Wardi streams, I think this is gonna go super late game. Ragnarok is gonna try to kill Maru's 4th/5th repeatedly with ultra/ling/bane while taking over the rest of the map. | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:43 geokilla wrote: After watching so many Wardi streams, I think this is gonna go super late game. Eternal's certainly the map for it. And Ragnarok does have 87 drones. | ||
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maru has 3/3 bio and high tech vs ling bane | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:48 starkiller123 wrote: good games in GSL? is this allowed? You missed Taeja vs Dark? | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:25 Waxangel wrote: How many games can RagnaroK play against Maru where we say "he put up a good fight" but never comes close to winning ?every other Code S, I guess :[ | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:52 Shellshock wrote: hey guys hows the meta these days coffin dance | ||
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geokilla
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On May 16 2020 13:52 Shellshock wrote: hey guys hows the meta these days Just play like Maru | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:54 Die4Ever wrote: hey, Ragnarok improved his vsMaru record from 1-13 to 2-15? that's a huge improvement almost doubled his winrate beast | ||
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On May 16 2020 13:54 Die4Ever wrote: hey, Ragnarok improved his vsMaru record from 1-13 to 2-15? that's a huge improvement Wasn't that series? | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:02 blooblooblahblah wrote: lol poor inno. fakes the proxy factory as well to arouse more suspicion but then let's the floating barracks get scouted by the probe, making it completely useless It doesn't feel like Zest bought it for a minute. He made the zealot just for safety, but apart from that he was kinda expecting the fake. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:02 blooblooblahblah wrote: lol poor inno. fakes the proxy factory as well to arouse more suspicion but then let's the floating barracks get scouted by the probe, making it completely useless but then dude went for economic proxy instead ;OOOo | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:02 Lothcomic wrote: I have to admit I kind of fell out of SC2 for a while there, but did Innovation just do something non-standard? Does he do that now? The whole Innovation only plays standard has basically never actually been that accurate. He is a bit like Zests in the sense that once he likes a build, he'll do it non-stop but his play overall has always been more creative than people give him credit for. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It doesn't feel like Zest bought it for a minute. He made the zealot just for safety, but apart from that he was kinda expecting the fake. I agree but if you don't see the factory at home, you do have to play at least somewhat safely because of that stupid tank all in that people have been doing recently. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:14 starkiller123 wrote: this build looks terrible but idk if zest handle poorly bogus is gonna cart him ;o | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:14 starkiller123 wrote: this build looks terrible but idk It works every time online so idk. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:19 DBooN wrote: I feel like Zest could've had it if he microd the adept he dropped into innos main? yeah I really think he could've killed almost all of INno's scvs there | ||
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its bogus s magic! you know it s coming but you still lose anyway ;OOo | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:20 starkiller123 wrote: yeah I really think he could've killed almost all of INno's scvs there marines reinforcements just run to the push then right i honestly dont think zest shouldve built a prism and sent it to innos main with vital units....and then he warped into innos base too. the goal is to hold the push, not punish a terran who is already all-inning. You cant have best of both worlds | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:21 Nantrix wrote: Tastosis said Terran patch... Not balance whine I play T and was super surprised they said that. funnily enough the last patch was in 2019 I think lol, we aren't even to the true terran patch yet | ||
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Inno: Bro if you just lemme win here you won't have to teamkill Trap Maru: I hate playing against Parting.... | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:19 starkiller123 wrote: that build still looked terrible to me haha Inno used a very similar opening on Thursday against Zest in Kungfu Cup where he hid his second base inside his main. Zest could have been tricked in the beginning that Inno was using the same build. Well, top level pyschological warfare here in my opinion. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:23 pvsnp wrote: During the break: Inno: Bro if you just lemme win here you won't have to teamkill Trap Maru: I hate playing against Parting.... Hasnt trap been smoking them both recently I think inno would rather face parting | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:22 BerserkSword wrote: marines reinforcements just run to the push then right i honestly dont think zest shouldve built a prism and sent it to innos main with vital units....and then he warped into innos base too. the goal is to hold the push, not punish a terran who is already all-inning. You cant have best of both worlds Questionable to say the least from Zest, he still almost held despite doing that even still. Suppose that’s why 1 base allins outside of hardcore cheddar are so rare these days. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:20 seemsgood wrote: its bogus s magic! you know it s coming but you still lose anyway ;OOo I think it's because lots of Terrans like the early stimless marine/tank pressure. There was one game where Trap blinked a bunch of stalkers on top of the tanks and they all died instantly to stimmed marines. On May 16 2020 14:24 BerserkSword wrote: Hasnt trap been smoking them both recently I think inno would rather face parting Trap looked pretty shaky against Bunny, and Inno 3-0'd him a day later. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:24 busyghost wrote: Inno used a very similar opening on Thursday against Zest in Kungfu Cup where he hid his second base inside his main. Zest could have been tricked in the beginning that Inno was using the same build. Well, top level pyschological warfare here in my opinion. Zest figured out what was coming far enough in advance to get the disruptors which is the right response, so I don't think the psychological aspect was that successful. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:20 Waxangel wrote: INnoVation bringing one-time only strats to GSL. Damn, who does he owe money to ;o Maybe he wants to renovate his kitchen aint GSL and proleague the one time strat tourneys ? ;Oo | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:24 Wombat_NI wrote: Questionable to say the least from Zest, he still almost held despite doing that even still. Suppose that’s why 1 base allins outside of hardcore cheddar are so rare these days. I guess that's also what makes zest one of hte greatest players of all time. He sure has that killer instinct and confidence that he can simply overwhelm others with his skill. Inno all-inning is the wrong player to do that to though | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:29 blooblooblahblah wrote: It's kind of cool that Zest completely fits the muscle, no brain stereotype that we all want someone to have in sc2 this is exactly what I was thinking lol what makes this so odd, though, is that when he was at his peak, he always made the right decisions...he seemed so much more cerebral | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:27 BerserkSword wrote: I guess that's also what makes zest one of hte greatest players of all time. He sure has that killer instinct and confidence that he can simply overwhelm others with his skill. Inno all-inning is the wrong player to do that to though True that with Zest, suppose warp prism back stabs are such standard practice now autopilot might have set in, or a misread or w/e. Zest would be up there for me, probably below herO in winning games with ballsy decision making that even as a viewer with all the information shouldn’t work. Keeps the game fun! So pumped for this TvT too | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:30 BerserkSword wrote: this is exactly what I was thinking lol what makes this so odd, though, is that when he was at his peak, he always made the right decisions...he seemed so much more cerebral honestly I just don't understand Zest, he always seems to have big holes in his play yet he still does pretty decently | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:31 pvsnp wrote: For whatever reason, in the TvT games I watch blue Terran always seems to have a small edge over red Terran. be careful blizzard may nerf blue terrans... | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:33 Die4Ever wrote: easier way to say it for Tasteless, starcraft is one of very few games where you constantly need BOTH hands to be playing its honestly pretty exhausting to play sometimes, luckily I have garbage late game so it typically doesn't matter | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:30 BerserkSword wrote: this is exactly what I was thinking lol what makes this so odd, though, is that when he was at his peak, he always made the right decisions...he seemed so much more cerebral Yeah, it's kind of weird cos in HotS I was a huge fan of his decision making and ability to adjust on the fly, for me that is still his peak (maybe not in actual skill, but he seemed much more well rounded despite a slight weakness in PvT) I appreciate his play in LotV but he is seemingly been so one dimensional since his initial domination. Even though his results improved after his (2017?) slump, his actual play hasn't really impressed me, other than his very nice builds. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:34 starkiller123 wrote: its honestly pretty exhausting to play sometimes, luckily I have garbage late game so it typically doesn't matter Just cheese your opponent every game. Like that Starcraft gets divided into nice manageable 5 minute chunks. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:35 blooblooblahblah wrote: Yeah, it's kind of weird cos in HotS I was a huge fan of his decision making and ability to adjust on the fly, for me that is still his peak (maybe not in actual skill, but he seemed much more well rounded despite a slight weakness in PvT) I appreciate his play in LotV but he is seemingly been so one dimensional since his initial domination. Even though his results improved after his (2017?) slump, his actual play hasn't really impressed me, other than his very nice builds. yeah except for the start of 2016 I don't think he has ever been nearly as well rounded as he used to be back in like 2014 | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Just cheese your opponent every game. Like that Starcraft gets divided into nice manageable 5 minute chunks. typically my plan is to just never build a 4th command center | ||
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edit: yeah the sound definitely matches in game stuff but not always on camera stuff. Or is the timing just off? | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:33 Die4Ever wrote: easier way to say it for Tasteless, starcraft is one of very few games where you constantly need BOTH hands to be playing because you are not good enough to play with both legs git gud and just play like Larva! | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:31 Wombat_NI wrote: True that with Zest, suppose warp prism back stabs are such standard practice now autopilot might have set in, or a misread or w/e. Zest would be up there for me, probably below herO in winning games with ballsy decision making that even as a viewer with all the information shouldn’t work. Keeps the game fun! So pumped for this TvT too man i miss hero.... | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Just cheese your opponent every game. Like that Starcraft gets divided into nice manageable 5 minute chunks. hey this is the most NA advice ever ! | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:32 starkiller123 wrote: honestly I just don't understand Zest, he always seems to have big holes in his play yet he still does pretty decently I think he has done so well because he doesnt hesitate. in a game as fast as SC2 hesitating, or lack thereof, is an underrated aspect. Zest is just nuts in that regard. he never seems to get tilted, and he never hesitates | ||
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I think that herO vs Trap series from IEM Katowice 2019 made me laugh more than any other series I've ever watched | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I'm kinda puzzled that INnoVation loses 13 workers early on, falls behind in workers considerably as a result, and then just goes toe to toe with Maru in a nice macro game. Surely being a dozen workers behind has some sort of effect? His absurdly fast 3CC off 1rax had something to do with it. Maru killing 19 scvs just evened things up into a regular macro game. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I'm kinda puzzled that INnoVation loses 13 workers early on, falls behind in workers considerably as a result, and then just goes toe to toe with Maru in a nice macro game. Surely being a dozen workers behind has some sort of effect? Fast 3rd CC is kinda good. I think Maru took a few bad trades early too which did help even it up too. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:45 pvsnp wrote: His absurdly fast 3CC off 1rax had something to do with it. Maru killing 19 scvs just evened it up. Maru was up something like 49 workers to 38 right after the hellion drop went through though. Even considering that INno had some other compensation he should've still been behind. | ||
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With Yamato too lmao. Ladder is gonna be so awful for the next week. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Maru was up something like 49 workers to 38 right after the hellion drop went through though. Even considering that INno had some other compensation he should've still been behind. Innovation was behind, he just took good trades and Maru failed to take the advantage, once Maru losed his 4th for free that was it. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:53 Inflicted wrote: This counts as mech right looks pretty mechy to me | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:56 Waxangel wrote: MACHINE LEARNING hahaha :D | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:56 Waxangel wrote: MACHINE LEARNING Damn, that's good. If Inno keeps playing like this it'll catch on. | ||
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On May 16 2020 14:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Wow Bogus has got the builds today. You could even say that some of his builds are bogus | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:00 Waxangel wrote: This is such a great personality shift from INno. In the past, even when he was the best player, he was more blunt then arrogant. Now he's just straight up shit talking people. In the past when he was the best he was still talking shit about the other races being OP. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:02 Elentos wrote: In the past when he was the best he was still talking shit about the other races being OP. that's being an awkward blunt dude; now he's just a fucking troll (it's great) | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:03 Waxangel wrote: that's being an awkward blunt dude; now he's just a fucking troll (it's great) Inno levelling up in and out of game. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:02 Elentos wrote: In the past when he was the best he was still talking shit about the other races being OP. well gyuri didnt ask bogus about TvZ because we already know his answer ;Oo | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:03 Waxangel wrote: that's being an awkward blunt dude; now he's just a fucking troll (it's great) He's been a troll for a few years now. It just gets funnier every year. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:05 blooblooblahblah wrote: More adept stalker into SG mind games. PvZ is so funny right now. It's good to find some humor in tragedy. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:08 Anc13nt wrote: wow i really think if Dark doesn't make it to the finals, INnoVation has a good chance of winning this whole thing You should watch the Chinese teamleagues. Inno gave as good as he got in 30 minute macro games vs Dark. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Ragnarok is the one guy in Korea that likes ling/bane/hydra better than ling/bane/ravager. It's come back into popularity in general, it's just that if you have to defend glaives, you're gonna have a tough time going from roach into hydra/ling/bane, and glaives is so common in korea. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:14 blooblooblahblah wrote: It's come back into popularity in general, it's just that if you have to defend glaives, you're gonna have a tough time going from roach into hydra/ling/bane, and glaives is so common in korea. Hmm interesting. Though Ragnarok has firmly been in the hydra camp even when it wasn't meta (when he doesn't go ling/bane/muta in ZvP that is). | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:14 blooblooblahblah wrote: It's come back into popularity in general, it's just that if you have to defend glaives, you're gonna have a tough time going from roach into hydra/ling/bane, and glaives is so common in korea. but still..i barely see bane/hydra getting used in GSL tho.even foreigner like scarlett didnt bother with it | ||
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IM HAVING INCA FLASHBACKS | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:22 seemsgood wrote: but still..i barely see bane/hydra getting used in GSL tho.even foreigner like scarlett didnt bother with it If you watch a lot of the european ZvP, it's come back into style a lot. In terms of professional sc2 this year, most of has just been IEM Katowice and post IEM-Katowice which has had a lot of glaives emphasis, so you're still going to see a lot of ravager/ling/bane. From memory, the Scarlett Dear games were all either glaives, Scarlett going all in, or the Eternal game where Scarlett got tricked into thinking it was glaives, and built a ton of blind roaches before Dear showed up with hidden double oracle. Obviously in that situation, you also can't go hydra/ling/bane lol. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:24 SetStndbySmn wrote: protoss games tonight are bumming me out man. Hope tsl is more fun. The protosses are nicely placed in the top half of the bracket where there's a decent chance they can avoid the zergs so there's some hope there. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:26 starkiller123 wrote: yikes I have Zest getting top 6 in my TSL prediction lol I have a feeling he'll still make top 6 top 6 worst players in the tournament | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:27 Zealously wrote: I have a feeling he'll still make top 6 top 6 worst players in the tournament big facts tho | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:27 Zealously wrote: I have a feeling he'll still make top 6 top 6 worst players in the tournament yeah I made my bracket and individually the predictions I made feel good and then I look at the whole thing and there is no way lol | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:26 Zealously wrote: Hey my hopes are still alive. Ragnarok pls cheese Maru into oblivion did you hope mary dude wont 2 raxes ragnarok into oblivion also ? ;Ooo | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The protosses are nicely placed in the top half of the bracket where there's a decent chance they can avoid the zergs so there's some hope there. True but there's a cluster where there's a decent chance they're going to pvp each other to death. When I was filling out my bracket, I thought Showtime was going to have a particularly rough set of pvps. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:33 SetStndbySmn wrote: True but there's a cluster where there's a decent chance they're going to pvp each other to death. When I was filling out my bracket, I thought Showtime was going to have a particularly rough set of pvps. I somehow ended up with all Terran in my top 4...the Terran bias is way too strong | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:34 starkiller123 wrote: I somehow ended up with all Terran in my top 4...the Terran bias is way too strong You just have to believe in #TerranPatch | ||
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I have INno TY Cure and Clem | ||
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Inb4 Blizzard decides to cancel the next patch because there's only 1 Zerg in the Ro8. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:37 pvsnp wrote: Inb4 Blizzard decides to cancel the next patch because there's only 1 Zerg in the Ro8. first mary ,now bogus is gonna ruin everything ;oo damn korean terrans | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:42 seemsgood wrote: first mary ,now bogus is gonna ruin everything ;oo damn korean terrans Clem is playing pretty well too these days | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:46 starkiller123 wrote: I love watching this split army play from Maru, also damn almost 20,000 people are watching GSL on youtube, this seems a lot higher than I remember the Friday NA time groups getting on twitch Starcraft in the Time of Corona. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:46 starkiller123 wrote: I love watching this split army play from Maru, also damn almost 20,000 people are watching GSL on youtube, this seems a lot higher than I remember the Friday NA time groups getting on twitch I think it was Harstem who mentioned on the pylon show that Google seems to like Starcraft and recommends it a lot. Anecdotally this makes sense. | ||
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ah yeah makes sense | ||
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edit: And Maru does his signature pf load/unload micro for style points. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:44 starkiller123 wrote: Clem is playing pretty well too these days noice! we finally got a replacement for washed up marinelord ;]]] but foreigner terrans still have to win at least an offline tournament tho | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:51 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Such lackluster creep spread from Ragnarok. Especially in the middle of the map where Maru hasn't been denying the creep. edit: And Maru does his signature pf load/unload micro for style points. yeah Ragnarok really needs to work on his creep spread in these type of games, the movement speed is huge | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:52 Elentos wrote: That was a real masterclass TvZ not gonna lie. Rag should go back to the mutas Ragnarok just isn't fast enough to keep up. The longer the game goes the more that shows. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:51 seemsgood wrote: noice! we finally got a replacement for washed up marinelord ;]]] but foreigner terrans still have to win at least an offline tournament tho there's also Heromarine TIME and Special, foreigner terran seems to slowly becoming less of a meme but yeah it dosen't mean a whole lot until an offline win | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:49 pvsnp wrote: I think it was Harstem who mentioned on the pylon show that Google seems to like Starcraft and recommends it a lot. Anecdotally this makes sense. Well what with their AlphaStar project and all Google isn't exactly unbiased | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:54 BerserkSword wrote: Last year i felt bad for protoss pros. this year i feel bad for zerg pros I still feel bad for the toss pros | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:54 starkiller123 wrote: there's also Heromarine TIME and Special, foreigner terran seems to slowly becoming less of a meme but yeah it dosen't mean a whole lot until an offline win Luckily for terrans there wont be real offline Events this year so they can continue to meme | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:54 starkiller123 wrote: there's also Heromarine TIME and Special, foreigner terran seems to slowly becoming less of a meme but yeah it dosen't mean a whole lot until an offline win Well the good thing for foreign Terrans in 2020 is that basically the entire ESL circuit is online. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:49 pvsnp wrote: I think it was Harstem who mentioned on the pylon show that Google seems to like Starcraft and recommends it a lot. Anecdotally this makes sense. I work at google can confirm I like starcraft :^) | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:54 Zealously wrote: Two cheeses please Zerg cheeses are bad | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:53 fastr wrote: Maru is so fucking good. Is the baneling nerf really necessary? I mean as a terran scrub it will definitely help my tvz, but when you have Maru Micro™, how do you ever lose a tvz again? It's not necessary for TvZ. But despite the change being way more relevant in TvZ than PvZ, it's PvZ that Blizzard intends this change to fix. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's not necessary for TvZ. But despite the change being way more relevant in TvZ than PvZ, it's PvZ that Blizzard intends this change to fix. Reverse psychology. All their previous changes aimed at PvZ primarily affected the dynamics of PvT. Now let's try a change that clearly should affect TvZ the most and see if it changes PvZ more. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's not necessary for TvZ. But despite the change being way more relevant in TvZ than PvZ, it's PvZ that Blizzard intends this change to fix. That's what makes it so stupid. It does hardly anything in PvZ and a lot in TvZ | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:57 Andi_Goldberger wrote: The VODs on youtube always gets a shitton of views aswell. youtube starcraft audience seems pretty big I'll watch GSL wherever it is but as a platform in my opinion youtube is superior to twitch | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:57 Andi_Goldberger wrote: The VODs on youtube always get a shitton of views aswell. youtube starcraft audience seems pretty big I feel like GSL made the transition to youtube just fine, but Overwatch League I think lost some viewership when they moved possibly because of the tokens though | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:58 Zzzapper wrote: That's what makes it so stupid. It does hardly anything in PvZ and a lot in TvZ It doesn't even Change the Bane vs storm dynamic afaik. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's not necessary for TvZ. But despite the change being way more relevant in TvZ than PvZ, it's PvZ that Blizzard intends this change to fix. Yeah that seems to be the core of the problem. If it was me I'd nerf ravagers instead of banelings but I realize I'm in the minority here. | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:59 Die4Ever wrote: I feel like GSL made the transition to youtube just fine, but Overwatch League I think lost some viewership when they moved I mean its Overwatch League lol, I watch it every once in a while when I have literally nothing else to do but its just not that good to watch | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:55 johnnywup wrote: I work at google can confirm I like starcraft :^) There are dozens of us! Dozens! | ||
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On May 16 2020 15:59 Danglars wrote: Ragnarok such an unexpected overperformer. Such a good job. You've won a fan. yeah he's been improving a lot in the last 6 months or so | ||
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Elentos
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On May 16 2020 15:59 Die4Ever wrote: I feel like GSL made the transition to youtube just fine, but Overwatch League I think lost some viewership when they moved possibly because of the tokens though GSL also already had Youtube streams before, now they just cut the Twitch stream. It's not like they started from 0. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17621 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:01 Elentos wrote: GSL also already had Youtube streams before, now they just cut the Twitch stream. It's not like they started from 0. that's true, I forgot about that I think that accounted for like 1k viewers? | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
true, but at least the balance team is considering significant protoss buffs now, like the fb range buff....i think that's signficant at least lol | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:01 BerserkSword wrote: true, but at least the balance team is considering significant protoss buffs now, like the fb range buff....i think that's signficant at least lol what is fb again? lol | ||
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digmouse
China6327 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
On May 16 2020 15:59 darklycid wrote: It doesn't even Change the Bane vs storm dynamic afaik. I'm pretty sure it doesn't change any relevant interaction. Makes no difference for storm, archons, colossi, any protoss aoe, it doesn't help adepts, stalkers and immortals either. It only changes certain combinations like 1 stalker shot + 1 immortal shot killing a bane where you would need 2 + 1 before. And zealots without upgrades 2-hitting banes | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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fastr
France901 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Huge bane and ling kills before mutas finish hatching. Now they're naked mutas with no ground support so he keeps pushing. Just powerful micro sailing forward from winning the early engagements. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
it's relevant in pvz r-right. lol | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:04 Zzzapper wrote: I'm pretty sure it doesn't change any relevant interaction. Makes no difference for storm, archons, colossi, any protoss aoe, it doesn't help adepts, stalkers and immortals either. It only changes certain combinations like 1 stalker shot + 1 immortal shot killing a bane where you would need 2 + 1 before. And zealots without upgrades 2-hitting banes obviously its a pretty bad fix but I think people ignore how the game is usually more complicated than one type of unit shooting only another type of unit if that makes sense | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3093 Posts
I think he's talking about Feedback. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
Facebook, duh | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
ah ok I was wondering what fucking unit has fb as an abbreviation | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:05 fastr wrote: 4 terrans in a Code S ro8! How long has it been, 5 years? :D 2018 S2. Which interestingly also had 3P, 1Z. I guess this means Maru wins again | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
that's the only thing I could think of haha | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:05 fastr wrote: 4 terrans in a Code S ro8! How long has it been, 5 years? :D I think we've had 50% terran ro8s more years than not. I doubt it's been five years. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:09 starkiller123 wrote: Cure INno rematch in semi finals from 2015 I think? I'm ready Pretty sure Inno trounces Cure regularly online. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
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Elentos
55460 Posts
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fastr
France901 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:08 Zzzapper wrote: 2018 S2. Which interestingly also had 3P, 1Z. I guess this means Maru wins again Agreed, I think Maru vs Inno finals is very likely. Will be a sick Ro8 either way | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:10 Elentos wrote: Artosis pointing out the potential of these Ro8 matches just reassures me every match will be a disaster. Dark will flatten TY, Cure will bop Dear, Inno will cheese Trap, and Parting will cannon rush Maru. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33216 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:10 pvsnp wrote: Pretty sure Inno trounces Cure regularly online. yeah probably, Cure in the finals would be really cool | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
Also, Inno's TvT has always been crazy good. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:11 Vindicare605 wrote: Inno played great, but I kind of thought from the start of this group that Maru would rather want second place than first to avoid the teamkill. So he got what he wanted. Also, Inno's TvT has always been crazy good. his machine brain just understand tanks haha | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:11 Vindicare605 wrote: Inno played great, but I kind of thought from the start of this group that Maru would rather want second place than first to avoid the teamkill. So he got what he wanted. Also, Inno's TvT has always been crazy good. I suppose there's always the teamkill factor, but Parting looked to be in much better form than Trap on Wednesday. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
Parting>Maru Cure>Dear Innovation>Trap TY>Parting Innovation>Cure TY>Innovation while casting his own finals | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:12 Schelim wrote: TY>Dark Parting>Maru Cure>Dear Innovation>Trap TY>Parting Innovation>Cure TY>Innovation while casting his own finals TY has a hideous record against Dark. He has literally never beaten Dark in GSL. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:12 Schelim wrote: TY>Dark Parting>Maru Cure>Dear Innovation>Trap TY>Parting Innovation>Cure TY>Innovation while casting his own finals some bold predictions there | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:12 Schelim wrote: TY>Dark Parting>Maru Cure>Dear Innovation>Trap TY>Parting Innovation>Cure TY>Innovation while casting his own finals Your signature is appropriate here. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:12 Schelim wrote: TY>Dark Parting>Maru Cure>Dear Innovation>Trap TY>Parting Innovation>Cure TY>Innovation while casting his own finals The amount of hope people has for TY never ceases to amaze me. He will die to Dark in a brutal fashion. | ||
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Elentos
55460 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:12 Schelim wrote: TY>Dark Parting>Maru Cure>Dear Innovation>Trap TY>Parting Innovation>Cure TY>Innovation while casting his own finals I'd love to see TY win GSL but the only way he gets past Dark is if Dark's wrists are still in their fucked up Ro16 condition. On May 16 2020 16:13 pvsnp wrote: TY has a hideous record against Dark. He has literally never beaten Dark in GSL. As if the record is that much less hideous outside of GSL | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:12 Schelim wrote: TY>Dark Parting>Maru Cure>Dear Innovation>Trap TY>Parting Innovation>Cure TY>Innovation while casting his own finals i wont take your post toooo seriouslyy! | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:13 pvsnp wrote: TY has a hideous record against Dark. He has literally never beaten Dark in GSL. a man can dream although i wouldn't mind getting to see some more ZvT, but i don't really enjoy ZvP often | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:12 Schelim wrote: TY>Dark Parting>Maru Cure>Dear Innovation>Trap TY>Parting Innovation>Cure TY>Innovation while casting his own finals strong signature to post content ratio | ||
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fastr
France901 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote: I suppose there's always the teamkill factor, but Parting looked to be in much better form than Trap on Wednesday. PartinG is looking good lately but Trap is still a PvT monster, I'm sure Maru is very happy with second place for that reason alone. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:14 fastr wrote: PartinG is looking good lately but Trap is still a PvT monster, I'm sure Maru is very happy with second place for that reason alone. Ive been choosing all terrans for my liquibets so far but for trap vs inno im choosing trap | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17621 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:12 pvsnp wrote: I suppose there's always the teamkill factor, but Parting looked to be in much better form than Trap on Wednesday. Maru and Trap practicing together will be very convenient for both of their matches | ||
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Elentos
55460 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:14 fastr wrote: PartinG is looking good lately but Trap is still a PvT monster, I'm sure Maru is very happy with second place for that reason alone. PartinG looked way better against Bunny than Trap did though. Maybe we just file that under "Trap had a weak day" and move on though. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:17 Elentos wrote: PartinG looked way better against Bunny than Trap did though. Maybe we just file that under "Trap had a weak day" and move on though. Parting's ceiling is higher than Trap's. If he's back for real then Maru is in for some HotS flashbacks. Prep wise Trap is also way easier to prepare for, since Parting is well, Parting. | ||
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Elentos
55460 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:19 pvsnp wrote: Parting's ceiling is higher than Trap's. If he's back for real Maru is in for some HotS flashbacks. Alternatively it'll be catharsis for Maru. I think TY's the only Terran who's clearly the underdog in his Ro8 match. I'd give him a better chance against every other player in the Ro8 than against Dark . That is, if Dark is in better condition than for the Ro16. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:13 pvsnp wrote: TY has a hideous record against Dark. He has literally never beaten Dark in GSL. but muh man caster s powers have doubled since the last time they met ;oo and also,last year GSL he almost got Dark in game 5 but sadly dude threw the game... TY>Dark call it noww! da only thing i d agree with schelim | ||
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fastr
France901 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:19 pvsnp wrote: Parting's ceiling is higher than Trap's. If he's back for real then Maru is in for some HotS flashbacks. Prep wise Trap is also way easier to prepare for, since Parting is well, Parting. Parting was a monster but it's been 5 years+ since he's been a true contender to win a tournament. This season is probably the first since he came back that he has a real shot to win. We've seen a lot of old legends come back and fall short of our expectations, that's why I'm doubtful. Though I will admit that of all the "old players" returning, Parting has looked the most promising (with Taeja maybe). | ||
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:06 starkiller123 wrote: obviously its a pretty bad fix but I think people ignore how the game is usually more complicated than one type of unit shooting only another type of unit if that makes sense It kinda isn't with small units like banes. It's not like an immortal or something that's likely to get hit by a bunch of different attacks. Which is more likely, a bane getting shot twice by the same immortal or once by an immortal and once by a stalker? And you'd like to kill them with aoe which is mostly unaffected (surviving storm with 1 hp instead of 6 makes absolutely no difference). Of course -5hp changes some interactions but it's pretty much negligible | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
I believe in the terranpatch | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:25 Zzzapper wrote: It kinda isn't with small units like banes. It's not like an immortal or something that's likely to get hit by a bunch of different attacks. Which is more likely, a bane getting shot twice by the same immortal or once by an immortal and once by a stalker? And you'd like to kill them with aoe which is mostly unaffected (surviving storm with 1 hp instead of 6 makes absolutely no difference). Of course -5hp changes some interactions but it's pretty much negligible Honestly, it matters with all units regardless of size, but what makes the bane different is that it does AOE damage upon death, so them having 1hp compared to 6 makes no difference when their goal is to die when near the protoss army anyway. As long as they can still make it there through a storm, they're gonna be fine unless we're literally talking about a pure baneling army | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Zzzapper
1791 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:32 blooblooblahblah wrote: Honestly, it matters with all units regardless of size, but what makes the bane different is that it does AOE damage upon death, so them having 1hp compared to 6 makes no difference when their goal is to die when near the protoss army anyway. As long as they can still make it there through a storm, they're gonna be fine unless we're literally talking about a pure baneling army The storm interaction specifically has nothing to do with banes being suicide units. Protoss units generally do high damage per attack so sentries are pretty much the only ones that care if they're attacking something with 1 or 6 hp. That would be the same case if it were a ling or a roach. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:30 Andi_Goldberger wrote: all Terran RO4 is possible I believe in the terranpatch If TY somehow beats Dark, I could see that happen. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
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Anc13nt
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On May 16 2020 18:25 Xain0n wrote: Maru's fanclub hasn't been very active but I guess there is no need since every time he plays the LR turns into his fanclub Dude Serral is done, getting reverse swept by foreign Terrans. This "rivalry" is over and so 2018. No need to come shit on Maru when he wins. | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
On May 16 2020 18:25 Xain0n wrote: Maru's fanclub hasn't been very active but I guess there is no need since every time he plays the LR turns into his fanclub The same could also be said for serral Kappa | ||
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Gina
241 Posts
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teamamerica
United States958 Posts
On May 16 2020 14:45 Fuell wrote: Tasteless knowledge of the game is abhorrent Yes I wanted to watch this but I am tired of listening tastless talk. Artosis still good imo. I'm not sure what happened to Tasteless, maybe he only cares about BW since I find his ASL casting okay | ||
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LemonyTang
United Kingdom428 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Also every GSL event for the last year has been Dark/Trap/Maru/other in the ro8, and by the looks of that's gonna happen again | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2705 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 16 2020 19:23 Morbidius wrote: Dude Serral is done, getting reverse swept by foreign Terrans. This "rivalry" is over and so 2018. No need to come shit on Maru when he wins. This approach...if single losses could mean anything, every player on Earth would be washed up. I said nothing against Maru, unlike you guys love to do when Serral plays; I wanted to underline that Inno went 4-0 but I have read more but reading the LR one could think Maru topped the group as well. | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
And inno proving who is the best T, sweet. | ||
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Penev
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On May 16 2020 21:21 Xain0n wrote: This approach...if single losses could mean anything, every player on Earth would be washed up. I said nothing against Maru, unlike you guys love to do when Serral plays; I wanted to underline that Inno went 4-0 but I have read more but reading the LR one could think Maru topped the group as well. so apparently xeinon is a mary fan hater,not mary hater ?? ;00 good to know | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On May 16 2020 23:07 seemsgood wrote: so apparently xeinon is a mary fan hater,not mary hater ?? ;00 good to know Its a psychological thing, if people praise Maru then they're not praising Bonjwa Serral, which makes him very mad and insecure, so he has to come here to remind everyone to keep appreciation of non Serral players at a minimum. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On May 16 2020 23:15 Morbidius wrote: Its a psychological thing, if people praise Maru then they're not praising Bonjwa Serral, which makes him very mad and insecure, so he has to come here to remind everyone to keep appreciation of non Serral players at a minimum. You nailed it, I'm speechless. The Church of Holy *MarY never ceases to amaze me! | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On May 16 2020 20:44 argonautdice wrote: Scarlett is actually the third best performing zerg this gsl 🤔 Yes, whnning on Z results in this GSL is quite low considering how soO played and that the second best zerg in the world (Dark being number one), that won the last IEM Katowice, was taken out by Scarlett in 3min bo3. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 16 2020 18:25 Xain0n wrote: Maru's fanclub hasn't been very active but I guess there is no need since every time he plays the LR turns into his fanclub haters gonna hate I would write more, but rather not. | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On May 16 2020 16:19 pvsnp wrote: Parting's ceiling is higher than Trap's. If he's back for real then Maru is in for some HotS flashbacks. Prep wise Trap is also way easier to prepare for, since Parting is well, Parting. I don't think so. Actually I do think so, how the fuck is Parting 25 only | ||
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Topin
Peru10044 Posts
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On May 17 2020 02:12 tskarzyn wrote: For all the "inno never innovates" jokes, how many times have we seen him pioneer crazy builds en route to a GSL championship. We also was him and Dream throw the last SKT PL run with the infamous 2016 cyclone build, but it was in an innovative way indeed. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
On May 16 2020 13:07 OsaX Nymloth wrote: I just remembered this isn't on Twitch so I can't make a fast clip. If somebody have this, pls paste it in here. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/gkqio4/gsl_memeing_it_today_with_group_d/ | ||
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mpmaley86
115 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + maru vs ragnorak: game 1: relentless maru. ended w/ 2 beautiful mine hits. game 2: ragnorak mutas win decisive battles game 3: freaking awesome zvt. back and forth. worried about both losing it. maru is just too good. one mine hit w/ 29 . inno vs zest: game 1: hidden base ftw; sick emp + mine hit on the warp prism game 2: under 50 supply fights. inno grin. winner, maru vs inno: game 1: inno is boss even after losing 18 scvs early. game 2: proxy BCs lol. Inno CRUSHES maru. Inno smirks. rag vs zest: i was surprised at how much zest looked out of shape. maru vs rag: game 1 was fantastic but game 2 was sort of a let down. | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
Edit: has been fixed  User was warned for this post because there are no such thing as liquibets. edit: fixed typo | ||
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