Stay At HomeStory Cup by TaKeTV is a $5,000, 32 player event which will be held on April 10th & 11th. There will be three qualifiers, one for each server, qualifying twelve players in total. These players will be joined by twenty invited players.
The main tournament will run all day on April 10th & 11th.
Finally the offical announcment!! Was waiting for this for over a week. They teased this allready after Big Gabe Cup 11 (I think) on Gabes and Takes stream :D
My my, what a great name for this tournament that I'll gladly take credit for. :D (I mean, doesn't take a genius to figure that name out, it's just too fitting)
Nice to see this! Already expecting the November edition to be double as great as normal
On March 31 2020 18:48 Elentos wrote: Might be a bit awkward for some of the Koreans since Code S starts on the 11th but it's great to see this anyway.
Let's hope Afreeca will shuffle around the groups if necessary.
On March 31 2020 18:48 Elentos wrote: Might be a bit awkward for some of the Koreans since Code S starts on the 11th but it's great to see this anyway.
Let's hope Afreeca will shuffle around the groups if necessary.
I mean, depending on how many Koreans will be in this it could hit every group in the Ro28
On March 31 2020 23:41 TaKeTV wrote: Neeb & Serral are already confirmed as a teaser
That's a teaser alright!!
But Torilla is not gonna work this time, eh? I mean if Serral should win. Finnish fans will have to sit naked in their freezers with beers and waiving flags instead I suppose...
On April 01 2020 01:19 The_Red_Viper wrote: I wonder if this is enough money for maru to play something online, would be sweet! Anyway nice idea, will be a ot of fun!
Can't see Maru playing in this cup Especially when GSL is around the corner...
On April 01 2020 01:19 The_Red_Viper wrote: I wonder if this is enough money for maru to play something online, would be sweet! Anyway nice idea, will be a ot of fun!
Can't see Maru playing in this cup Especially when GSL is around the corner...
Well maru is seeded into the ro16 anyway, but yeah i doubt that he'll play.
Come on guys Maru would never play in this kind of thing. I would love it, but he is just not the type.... We can get Rogue though if it does not clash with GSL!
On March 31 2020 23:41 TaKeTV wrote: Neeb & Serral are already confirmed as a teaser
That's a teaser alright!!
But Torilla is not gonna work this time, eh? I mean if Serral should win. Finnish fans will have to sit naked in their freezers with beers and waiving flags instead I suppose...
On March 31 2020 23:41 TaKeTV wrote: Neeb & Serral are already confirmed as a teaser
That's a teaser alright!!
But Torilla is not gonna work this time, eh? I mean if Serral should win. Finnish fans will have to sit naked in their freezers with beers and waiving flags instead I suppose...
We have the power of hockey gifs.
I'm always looking forward to those, but that and Corona should not stop you from Torilla, one way or another
On April 03 2020 03:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Oh my god Trap is so hopeless in PvZ its unreal...
I realy hope, someday he just goes f*** it and starts his PvZ entirely from scratch :/ It just doesn t seem to work even against players, that should be way weaker in overall strength... I gues by now it s almost as much a mental thing as inferior tactics.. He s soo good in PvT and can beat anyone in PvP. But in PvZ it looks super rough
On April 03 2020 03:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Oh my god Trap is so hopeless in PvZ its unreal...
I realy hope, someday he just goes f*** it and starts his PvZ entirely from scratch :/ It just doesn t seem to work even against players, that should be way weaker in overall strength... I gues by now it s almost as much a mental thing as inferior tactics.. He s soo good in PvT and can beat anyone in PvP. But in PvZ it looks super rough
Yes, I think mentality plays a role here and he just does not choose correct strategies. He should know he is not good enough to beat guys like Dark/Rogue/Serral in macro games yet he tries it almost every time. And then when he should play super safe against Bly he botches that as well. So he gets beaten up by both macro and cheesy Zergs. Its really like he didnt know how to play the matchup at all. Hope he finds the strength to fix this, he needs to if he wants to reach the absolute top.
On April 03 2020 23:32 BerserkSword wrote: What’s all this talk about Trap PvZ. He’s a top 5 PvZer in the world
That just makes the whole protoss situation, and especially PvZ matchup that much sadder. Being 5th from 5 good protosses remaining isnt that great, neither is the best one being Parting who just said screw it not even gonna play this shit and cheeses the hell out of the Zergs every game...
On April 04 2020 16:23 dbRic1203 wrote: Was Dark announced on stream? Can t find anything elsewhere..
Yeah, TaKe's stream apparently.
I'm positively surprised about Dark. He usually doesn't bother with online events if they're not qualifiers for bigger things. He also doesn't seem a huge fan of cross server play.
On April 04 2020 16:23 dbRic1203 wrote: Was Dark announced on stream? Can t find anything elsewhere..
Yeah, TaKe's stream apparently.
I'm positively surprised about Dark. He usually doesn't bother with online events if they're not qualifiers for bigger things. He also doesn't seem a huge fan of cross server play.
funny that gungfubanda is like the third/fourth best european protoss since ages behind showtime and harstem next to ptitdrogo but when people talk about european protoss i almost only hear other names like goblin mana, skillous dns
On April 05 2020 19:42 bulya wrote: Why is Dark invited according to liquipedia? I can't find any reference to an official statement about it.
I'd like Dark to participate, but usually I can fine references to such things other then liquipedia,
it was mentioned on stream, also i think top pros will participate (even those who usually do not play in online stuff), because it might give EPT points
In the last few days I've been seeing a rising number of Korean pros complaining about the NA server being really bad to play on. Not just the ping being generally high but also instable, i. e. lots of lag issues. I hope it doesn't affect this tournament too much. That kind of stuff is really annoying.
On April 07 2020 05:23 Elentos wrote: In the last few days I've been seeing a rising number of Korean pros complaining about the NA server being really bad to play on. Not just the ping being generally high but also instable, i. e. lots of lag issues. I hope it doesn't affect this tournament too much. That kind of stuff is really annoying.
Me too, but it will. Its not just been an odd day or two, its been a worsening issue for months. Its very difficult to work around
On April 07 2020 14:15 dbRic1203 wrote: Seeding for the Groups is by EPT Points appearently? Groups D, E and H look Brutal and Reynor advances pretty much for free..
Usually Naruto seeds players with his own system. He takes alligulac ranks/points and the WCS/EPT ranks/points weights them somewhat and seeds players into pools from that (probably 4 (or 2) pools). Then each group gets 1 (or 2) players from each pool randomly.
Don't know if he did it for this cup too, but i think it is likely.
On April 07 2020 14:15 dbRic1203 wrote: Seeding for the Groups is by EPT Points appearently? Groups D, E and H look Brutal and Reynor advances pretty much for free..
Usually Naruto seeds players with his own system. He takes alligulac ranks/points and the WCS/EPT ranks/points weights them somewhat and seeds players into pools from that (probably 4 (or 2) pools). Then each group gets 1 (or 2) players from each pool randomly.
Don't know if he did it for this cup too, but i think it is likely.
Well Neeb and Clem in the same pool as Skillous and TLO looks like EPT Points only to me. Edit: Parting is the lowest in EPT rank from all Seed 1 players in the Groups and Cure the higgest in all Seed 2 Players. 2nd Seed ends with Harstem and 3rd Seed with TLO. So yes its only EPT points this time and no Alligulac/ WCS 2019.
I may be in the minority, but I'd much prefer it if there weren't any EPT points on the line in this event. Just the combination of the invited to qualified ratio and the ongoing issues with the NA server are kinda offputting.
On April 07 2020 21:01 Elentos wrote: I may be in the minority, but I'd much prefer it if there weren't any EPT points on the line in this event. Just the combination of the invited to qualified ratio and the ongoing issues with the NA server are kinda offputting.
Well it depends, on how many points the player get I think. If its like Asus Rog last summer and isn t making a real difference anyways, it s fine for me, just a little bonus on top of an awsome event. If it s worth like half an ept major, I defnatly agree. I can understand that Bunny gets invited to an HSC, because of history. But if its worth more points, I d want the best players there instead.
On April 07 2020 21:01 Elentos wrote: I may be in the minority, but I'd much prefer it if there weren't any EPT points on the line in this event. Just the combination of the invited to qualified ratio and the ongoing issues with the NA server are kinda offputting.
Well it depends, on how many points the player get I think. If its like Asus Rog last summer and isn t making a real difference anyways, it s fine for me, just a little bonus on top of an awsome event. If it s worth like half an ept major, I defnatly agree. I can understand that Bunny gets invited to an HSC, because of history. But if its worth more points, I d want the best players there instead.
I suppose ASUS didn't affect things much since it only gave WCS points to non-Koreans and the majority of the Ro16 and onward was Koreans. But if it gives Global EPT points that count into both standings, I think that might warrant revoking the ruling that Super Tournament 1 gives 0 points
On April 07 2020 21:01 Elentos wrote: I may be in the minority, but I'd much prefer it if there weren't any EPT points on the line in this event. Just the combination of the invited to qualified ratio and the ongoing issues with the NA server are kinda offputting.
Well it depends, on how many points the player get I think. If its like Asus Rog last summer and isn t making a real difference anyways, it s fine for me, just a little bonus on top of an awsome event. If it s worth like half an ept major, I defnatly agree. I can understand that Bunny gets invited to an HSC, because of history. But if its worth more points, I d want the best players there instead.
Maybe they asked the best, but some declined. (In that Case its their own problem.)
Wait what you get ETP points for this? Thats total bullshit. If you do ANY invites there should be no ETP points on the line. WTF Take/Naruto. If you distribute Points everybody should have the EXACT same chances.
I'd be kind of ok with foreigner getting EPT point since most of them are here, but it seems a bit unfortunate for the tier two koreans, Bunny get an upportunity to rack up a few point but not let say Armani
On April 07 2020 22:00 Nakajin wrote: I'd be kind of ok with foreigner getting EPT point since most of them are here, but it seems a bit unfortunate for the tier two koreans, Bunny get an upportunity to rack up a few point but not let say Armani
God I'd be so mad if that decides something for the Koreans.
On April 07 2020 21:01 Elentos wrote: I may be in the minority, but I'd much prefer it if there weren't any EPT points on the line in this event. Just the combination of the invited to qualified ratio and the ongoing issues with the NA server are kinda offputting.
Well it depends, on how many points the player get I think. If its like Asus Rog last summer and isn t making a real difference anyways, it s fine for me, just a little bonus on top of an awsome event. If it s worth like half an ept major, I defnatly agree. I can understand that Bunny gets invited to an HSC, because of history. But if its worth more points, I d want the best players there instead.
Maybe they asked the best, but some declined. (In that Case its their own problem.)
Well for instance Trap and Armani even tried to qualify (on NA Server only though and failed)
EPT points for this but Super Tournament got their points taken away? I saw special have no idea this gave EPT points and he would have competed if he knew.
On April 08 2020 01:01 seanranklin wrote: EPT points for this but Super Tournament got their points taken away? I saw special have no idea this gave EPT points and he would have competed if he knew.
Can someone explain to me the reasoning ?
ESL goal was to integrate most event into their systems in a sort of tennis like circuit (or 2013-15 WCS), I assume things like national championship or medium size tournament could also give us some point. I would just have like the invite vs qualifier ratio to be a bit more skew toward qualifiers if they were gonna give some points.
On April 08 2020 16:39 BaneRiders wrote: Did anyone confirm anywhere that this tourney will have ETP points, or are you discussing based on a rumor or something?
IT was mentioned by Naruto on the TakeTv Stream serveral Times, Last Time i heared them talk about it, it just wasn´t completle clear how much points.
On April 08 2020 01:01 seanranklin wrote: EPT points for this but Super Tournament got their points taken away? I saw special have no idea this gave EPT points and he would have competed if he knew.
Can someone explain to me the reasoning ?
Because corona puts a lot of companies under huge stress , ESL is one of them. We tried to resolve everything as quickly as possible but we were not sure if we would be able to give out EPT points and had to run qualifiers. He could have chosen to try to qualify regardless in my personal opinion (NarutO).
I'm completely against this tournament giving out EPT points. This is very unfair to the players, particularly the Koreans.
I was very surprised to hear that the GSL Super Tournament 1 did not give out EPT points to the players. Every player that completed in that tournament had to qualify by beating all the other players. Maru and Dark had to beat all the other top Koreans through their respective brackets, and then they ended up with no EPT points.
On the other hand, we have this tournament, with half the players *invited*, and the rest going through qualifications (through other servers no less), and those that rejected this tournament was not told that there were EPT points at play as well. Many of these invited players are from the EU, and they automatically get EPT points while those that put in the time and effort at the Super Tournament did not?
That's just blatantly unfair towards the Koreans. They really should either reconsider this by taking away the EPT points for this tournament, or actually awarding EPT points to those in the Super Tournament. Otherwise it is plain and simple unjust and unfair to many players, particularly to the players at the Super Tournament.
On April 09 2020 01:08 buzz_bender wrote: On the other hand, we have this tournament, with half the players *invited*, and the rest going through qualifications (through other servers no less), and those that rejected this tournament was not told that there were EPT points at play as well.
Not true. Maru and Scarlett were the only players that rejected an invite. I forwarded the invite to Maru via PartinG and at that point it was not clear if we can give out EPT Points. I mentioned and I will quote "...if we get EPT point is answered next week."
I invited Scarlett within a conversation in Battle.net and I am 99% sure I also mentioned the chance of giving out EPT points as it wasn't clear at that time. I later asked again in Skype and she declined. Furthermore the qualifiers were open to everyone - Koreans could have played on Europe, Americas and Korea and many of them didn't even sign up to play so personally (NarutO) I don't feel like "they are missing out".
On April 09 2020 01:08 buzz_bender wrote: Many of these invited players are from the EU, and they automatically get EPT points while those that put in the time and effort at the Super Tournament did not?
That's just blatantly unfair towards the Koreans. They really should either reconsider this by taking away the EPT points for this tournament, or actually awarding EPT points to those in the Super Tournament. Otherwise it is plain and simple unjust and unfair to many players, particularly to the players at the Super Tournament
We hold no power of how EPT points are given in Korea. I invited with the same good mix I always do to provide a good lineup. So I don't think you should bring Super Tournament into the discussion. Its not related in any way. For your information, my opinion is super tournament should have points, but its not my call.
On April 09 2020 01:49 TaKeTV wrote: We hold no power of how EPT points are given in Korea. I invited with the same good mix I always do to provide a good lineup. So I don't think you should bring Super Tournament into the discussion. Its not related in any way. For your information, my opinion is super tournament should have points, but its not my call. Best regards NarutO
Just so you know, my comment wasn't to put blame on you. I think you're doing a great job in organising tournaments like these and these tournaments give us fans so much memory and fun everytime.
I'm bringing Super Tournament into this discussion to show the contrast between the two. I know it is not your call and not your decision to make. It is definitely ESL's decision, and I'm saying that I completely disagree with that decision. If they are not awarding points to Super Tournament, then all the more that this tournament should not have it. If they decide to award points to this tournament, then all the more that Super Tournament should give out even more points, given that *all* the players had to fight and play for it.
On April 09 2020 01:49 TaKeTV wrote: We hold no power of how EPT points are given in Korea. I invited with the same good mix I always do to provide a good lineup. So I don't think you should bring Super Tournament into the discussion. Its not related in any way. For your information, my opinion is super tournament should have points, but its not my call. Best regards NarutO
Just so you know, my comment wasn't to put blame on you. I think you're doing a great job in organising tournaments like these and these tournaments give us fans so much memory and fun everytime.
I'm bringing Super Tournament into this discussion to show the contrast between the two. I know it is not your call and not your decision to make. It is definitely ESL's decision, and I'm saying that I completely disagree with that decision. If they are not awarding points to Super Tournament, then all the more that this tournament should not have it. If they decide to award points to this tournament, then all the more that Super Tournament should give out even more points, given that *all* the players had to fight and play for it.
I personally agree as (NarutO). And I am happy you are providing feedback.
Well I for one am very happy that there are some points at stake as well here. It certainly adds some flavor to the tournament and raises the stakes! So much looking forward to this!
Really love the fact that we're getting more tournaments awarding points as well, although I do also wish the communication had worked a little better. It's unfortunate it didn't go smoothly this time around, but these are really cool steps in the development of the EPT imo!
On April 09 2020 02:40 LTCM wrote: Total junk decision. Points for a half baked online tournament with the overwhelming number of players being invited? What a joke.
I am becoming less and less happy with the sc2 scene after blizzard handed over management. It's quite clear that esl has very clear basis.
I agree that it would be better to have 0 invites and all going through qualifiers, but this tournament was obviously being organized before the decision had been taken to award points, so let's hope for a full lineup through qualifiers for the next edition.
Out of curiosity, what basis are you referring to?
Obviously TakeTV wants points to enhance the prestige/stakes of their tournament, and obv they're going to take points if ESL gives them out (any tournament org would).
It's on ESL to properly administer their point system so they don't randomly deny cheeseadelphia points, take away Super Tournament points AFTER THE TOURNAMENT HAS BEEN PLAYED, and then award points to an online tournament (with less prize money than either aforementioned event) that's 50%+ invited.
I understand ESL wanting flexibility in the 3rd party point system, compared to the rigid 3rd party point system in WCS 2013-2015 which was actually a deterrent to organizers who wanted to hold 3rd party events. But having no perceptible consistency at all is just as bad, if not worse.
Yeah I too have no idea what ESL is doing here. Makes no sense to give EPT points to this tournament, there needs to be some consistency in how they are awarded. Obviously tournaments with invites should not help decide who goes to the world championship.
Nevertheless, good job by the guys at TaKeTV for setting this tournament up, looking forward to watching.
Well thanks a lot Naruto/Take, you guys have your hears to the ground as always.
With that said I hope we can have tournament with EPT points on the line latter down the line even tho they are not traditionnal WCS/GSL stop. I'm thinking HSC, Cheesadelphia, King of the North if it come back, even having online tournament be part of it would be great, just maybe have a better directional line about what's going on with the circuit.
I would have actually liked to see the top 4 or something get points. But 1 to 24 with 20 invites? No thanks. Props to taketv for taking bold action thiugh.
Damn, I was really hoping for this to be the first of many tournaments to give out additional EPT points :/
Shame that it didn't work out the way it was supposed to be, but really hope that this doesn't mean we get no other tournaments with EPT points on the line outside of the ones already announced
Wow, a bold decision. Thanks Naruto for all you do for our community. I hope there are going to be alot more Tournaments that give out EPT points in the future Hopefully also HSC 22 as well. I think this was the right call, give the short notice Players had. It s ashame Parting allready pulled out of this, probably because of no points. I hope he s going to remain the only one and that the other Pros respektyour decision, wich you made out of Fairness.
I also hope, that ESL listens and give Back Supet Tournament points because of this. In my eyes they have done great work so far, but that decision was an obvious mistake :/
On April 09 2020 13:54 dbRic1203 wrote: Wow, a bold decision. Thanks Naruto for all you do for our community. I hope there are going to be alot more Tournaments that give out EPT points in the future Hopefully also HSC 22 as well. I think this was the right call, give the short notice Players had. It s ashame Parting allready pulled out of this, probably because of no points. I hope he s going to remain the only one and that the other Pros respektyour decision, wich you made out of Fairness.
I also hope, that ESL listens and give Back Supet Tournament points because of this. In my eyes they have done great work so far, but that decision was an obvious mistake :/
*HSC 21 (the Stay@HSC is no full HSC, hence the numbering really continues with HSC 21 in probably Winter 2020)
Regarding ST1 points, i think ESL can't decide that alone, they probably have to talk with Afreeca for that
On April 09 2020 13:54 dbRic1203 wrote: Wow, a bold decision. Thanks Naruto for all you do for our community. I hope there are going to be alot more Tournaments that give out EPT points in the future Hopefully also HSC 22 as well. I think this was the right call, give the short notice Players had. It s ashame Parting allready pulled out of this, probably because of no points. I hope he s going to remain the only one and that the other Pros respektyour decision, wich you made out of Fairness.
I also hope, that ESL listens and give Back Supet Tournament points because of this. In my eyes they have done great work so far, but that decision was an obvious mistake :/
its due to time. His group would have been at 4:15am but there is really not a perfect solution for everyone. To be fair I mentioned to players (especially Koreans) that the event might be bad/nighttime for time
PartinG was already shafted at the last HSC having to play a match then waiting 8hours for the next match on the same day(showtime and then cure). Cant blame him for pulling out because his group was at 4am.
Group F has 4 europeans and its scheduled to start 3 hours before PartinG's group. Probably flipping those 2 groups would have made him happy.
On April 09 2020 23:14 seanranklin wrote: PartinG was already shafted at the last HSC having to play a match then waiting 8hours for the next match on the same day(showtime and then cure). Cant blame him for pulling out because his group was at 4am.
Group F has 4 europeans and its scheduled to start 3 hours before PartinG's group. Probably flipping those 2 groups would have made him happy.
He could have asked for that instead of pulling out.. I m pretty sure, there would have been away somehow..
Just want to say that this is really well handled by you guys at TakeTV, you always do this so well. But my (and I suppose everyone else's) criticism was never aimed at TakeTV, but rather at ESL. I can understand that things are difficult because of corona, but it would be nice to have heard something from them. But surely they're learning as they go and a similar situation would be handled differently in the future.
On April 10 2020 00:28 ilax30 wrote: Indeed, and Parting wasnt the only one who had to wait 8 hours at the last HSC. The world doesnt revolve around him. Also Dark just pulled out..
Who had to wait 8 hours? Also its not always so simple. The PartinG group is a lot more interesting for the main stream compared to group F. Also I feel like with clear communication he had every chance to commit and say no he doesn't want to. The 2nd day starts at 7PM Korean time and is 12-14 hours as well, so there is no way avoiding playing during the night anyways.
But we will have a great tournament regardless. DnS replaces PartinG and Denver replaces Dark.
12:15PM CEST - Group A 3:15PM CEST - Group C 6:15PM CEST - Group E 9:15PM CEST - Group G
If we need, we will show group H as well. Group H is played the same time as group A+B and not shown on any stream/no results posted and will be prepared with spoilerfree replays for casters. If we don't need the time on the mainstream, it will be Wardis last group.
Wardi will be covering: 12:15PM CEST - Group B 3:15PM CEST - Group D 6:15PM CEST - Group F 9:15PM CEST - Group H (if needed here)
On April 10 2020 01:51 TaKeTV wrote: For tomorrow:
TaKeTV / TaKe will cover the following groups:
12:15PM CEST - Group A 3:15PM CEST - Group C 6:15PM CEST - Group E 9:15PM CEST - Group G
If we need, we will show group H as well. Group H is played the same time as group A+B and not shown on any stream/no results posted and will be prepared with spoilerfree replays for casters. If we don't need the time on the mainstream, it will be Wardis last group.
Wardi will be covering: 12:15PM CEST - Group B 3:15PM CEST - Group D 6:15PM CEST - Group F 9:15PM CEST - Group H (if needed here)
I'm super excited for this tournament Take! Thanks so much for organising it. It will bring a lot of smiles during lockdown. Several year's ago I attended HSC:V with my friend - it was a special weekend. Looking forward to revisiting it this time around.
It always feels sad when genuine people must back off because of a angry mob :/
So you are cool with an unfair esports system for SC2? Really?
Totally as a Blizzard and Esl major, I am aiming for the destruction of the holy korean scene /s
Take is working his ass since 10 years in order to give us good tournaments and as pointed ou by Naruto, players knew they were trying to get ept points so, if you're that much engaged with justice, there is nothing wrong with this particular attribution.
On April 10 2020 20:58 whiterabbit wrote: Hey, giving how many games gonna happen in just 2 days and _only_ 2 English streams... will there be replay pack maybe after tournament is done?
The whole tournament will be played in 2 days, you can find the matches in the tournament page. Also is there any reason to have more than 2 english streams? 50% of the matches will be shown on the main stream and the other 50% on the B stream.. So you wont miss anything if you keep a eye on both streams
On April 10 2020 20:58 whiterabbit wrote: Hey, giving how many games gonna happen in just 2 days and _only_ 2 English streams... will there be replay pack maybe after tournament is done?
The answer is: if we are not running in trouble (time-wise) you can watch each and every game. Our plan is to have the GSL group matches one by one and only 2 at the same time in case we run into time-trouble towards the end.
So planned is 20 bo3 for mainstream; and 5 as backup if needed (I dont think so) 15 bo3 with wardi and if we dont need the 5 bo3 backup he will cast them to have 20 x bo3.
2nd day is 10 x bo3 and 8x bo5 - everything shown
hope this helps
best regards Silvano / NarutO (currently logged in as take)
I like Elazer but it was really a terrible play by him. Floating at at least 1kmin, 2k gaz until Zest finally managed to kill 20 drones 20 zelotes charging his b2 and no banelings while he has the time to prepare.
On April 10 2020 21:57 stilt wrote: I like Elazer but it was really a terrible play by him. Floating at at least 1kmin, 2k gaz until Zest finally managed to kill 20 drones 20 zelotes charging his b2 and no banelings while he has the time to prepare.
Yea, no creep spread and he could've been on greater spire like 2 minutes before that fight.
Hm its entertaining to watch though, although its getting a bit stale with the adept pressure. Either it does alot and the zerg pretty much dies. Or it only kills a few drones and then its just zerg massing units for 3 minutes and you already know the toss isnt going to have enough to defend the counter attack. Tough
On April 10 2020 22:08 ilax30 wrote: Hm its entertaining to watch though, although its getting a bit stale with the adept pressure. Either it does alot and the zerg pretty much dies. Or it only kills a few drones and then its just zerg massing units for 3 minutes and you already know the toss isnt going to have enough to defend the counter attack. Tough
I mean look at the game Zest won, he failed his first push hard then sat back a while and the his 2nd push with 1k zealots into the zerg nat randomly just won, not very entertaining to me.
Is there a way to measure current lagg in the game? i just cant beleive Zest played that garbage. Elazer was also bad. Wouldnt lagg favour zerg if its the case?
On April 10 2020 22:13 Shathe wrote: Is there a way to measure current lagg in the game? i just cant beleive Zest played that garbage. Elazer was also bad. Wouldnt lagg favour zerg if its the case?
They also played on NA. The NA server is currently hot garbage to play on for the Koreans because it's for some reason particularly instable and laggy.
Time for Dream, who 3-0'd Dark yesterday, to prove that that result was an accident and get rekt by Serral.
On April 10 2020 22:13 Shathe wrote: Is there a way to measure current lagg in the game? i just cant beleive Zest played that garbage. Elazer was also bad. Wouldnt lagg favour zerg if its the case?
They also played on NA. The NA server is currently hot garbage to play on for the Koreans because it's for some reason particularly instable and laggy.
Time for Dream, who 3-0'd Dark yesterday, to prove that that result was an accident and get rekt by Serral.
Zest said however ping was fine for him. Na is laggy for some but not all, lets not keep blaming it on the ping. But yea na servers are getting worse
On April 10 2020 22:13 Shathe wrote: Is there a way to measure current lagg in the game? i just cant beleive Zest played that garbage. Elazer was also bad. Wouldnt lagg favour zerg if its the case?
They also played on NA. The NA server is currently hot garbage to play on for the Koreans because it's for some reason particularly instable and laggy.
Time for Dream, who 3-0'd Dark yesterday, to prove that that result was an accident and get rekt by Serral.
Not only for koreans, both showtime and gabe complained about lag issues.
On April 10 2020 23:31 ilax30 wrote: Haha, that Bly v Drogo series was such a clownfest. Drogo 1-0 up had a big advantage in the last 2 games yet lost them both 1-2. Aiai
So a standard series for Bly then
It was a fun one. Bly vs. Serral should be interesting :D
On April 10 2020 20:58 whiterabbit wrote: Hey, giving how many games gonna happen in just 2 days and _only_ 2 English streams... will there be replay pack maybe after tournament is done?
The answer is: if we are not running in trouble (time-wise) you can watch each and every game. Our plan is to have the GSL group matches one by one and only 2 at the same time in case we run into time-trouble towards the end.
So planned is 20 bo3 for mainstream; and 5 as backup if needed (I dont think so) 15 bo3 with wardi and if we dont need the 5 bo3 backup he will cast them to have 20 x bo3.
2nd day is 10 x bo3 and 8x bo5 - everything shown
hope this helps
best regards Silvano / NarutO (currently logged in as take)
Oh, didn't realize those two English streams are broadcasting different groups. Awesome, thanks for the answer.
On April 11 2020 05:50 TheOneAboveU wrote: Lambo is a joy to listen to as a commentator, would love to see him as an analyst in more tournaments.
I love his analysis. Feels like I learn so much more about the game just listening to him.
I also love that he is an ACTIVE pro player, who ladders and skrims against these guys. I was very impressed by his intimate knowledge about each player's playstyle, for every race.
On April 11 2020 20:57 Argonauta wrote: I got an add of Harstem saying something in german about twitch subscriptions. Does anyone else outside of Germany get it?
Yes :D .... subscribtion ambassador. We have it in English too from another event, but seemingly production doesn't have it rn :D
On April 11 2020 20:57 Argonauta wrote: I got an add of Harstem saying something in german about twitch subscriptions. Does anyone else outside of Germany get it?
It's an on-stream ad, so pretty sure everybody saw that.
On April 11 2020 21:36 MarianoSC2 wrote: Straight from the book of Maru terran BS. Except Maru would have finished the game with the bunker rush. GG
That book would be just pages on pages of proxy Barracks shenanigans wouldn't it? What else could really be in there? I guess you could throw that gimmick proxy factory float into the main and make a widow mine, but that never works on these maps.
Meanwhile the Protoss book looks more like this. Chapter 1: Cannon Rushes, Chapter 2: Proxy Gateway shenanigans 3: Proxy Robotics Shenanigans. Chapter 4: DTs and how to use them. etc.
On April 11 2020 20:15 pvsnp wrote: Clem seems kinda overeager in TvT, a bit too aggressive and not enough positioning.
I'd imagine he's used to winning vs most players on just his mechanics. Doesn't have THAT many practice partners at his level to choose from in Europe.
Even Special only got to be as good as he is in TvT after going to Korea.
On April 11 2020 22:16 stilt wrote: The groups are a bit imbalanced.
Zest and Showtime getting knocked out early has totally messed up the racial distribution. Zest got killed by two inferior players in PvZ, which says a lot about where his PvZ is at. And Showtime lost to Cure (no surprise especially in his weakest match up) and in PvP to Mana and Mana can beat just about anyone in PvP.
On April 11 2020 22:16 stilt wrote: The groups are a bit imbalanced.
Zest and Showtime getting knocked out early has totally messed up the racial distribution. Zest got killed by two inferior players in PvZ, which says a lot about where his PvZ is at. And Showtime lost to Cure (no surprise especially in his weakest match up) and in PvP to Mana and Mana can beat just about anyone in PvP.
I was refering to the different strenght of the groups : having Solar/Sortof/Goblin/Mana vs Serral/Gabe/Neeb/Elazer or Clem/Reynor/ Dream/Inno is just weird. No offense to sortof, it's still a good perf but he got lucky for now.
On April 11 2020 22:16 stilt wrote: The groups are a bit imbalanced.
Zest and Showtime getting knocked out early has totally messed up the racial distribution. Zest got killed by two inferior players in PvZ, which says a lot about where his PvZ is at. And Showtime lost to Cure (no surprise especially in his weakest match up) and in PvP to Mana and Mana can beat just about anyone in PvP.
I was refering to the different strenght of the groups : having Solar/Sortof/Goblin/Mana vs Serral/Gabe/Neeb/Elazer or Clem/Reynor/ Dream/Inno is just weird. No offense to sortof, it's still a good perf but he got lucky for now.
it's really just group C. It's a group of death, it's much stronger than the others.
On April 11 2020 22:16 stilt wrote: The groups are a bit imbalanced.
Zest and Showtime getting knocked out early has totally messed up the racial distribution. Zest got killed by two inferior players in PvZ, which says a lot about where his PvZ is at. And Showtime lost to Cure (no surprise especially in his weakest match up) and in PvP to Mana and Mana can beat just about anyone in PvP.
I was refering to the different strenght of the groups : having Solar/Sortof/Goblin/Mana vs Serral/Gabe/Neeb/Elazer or Clem/Reynor/ Dream/Inno is just weird. No offense to sortof, it's still a good perf but he got lucky for now.
it's really just group C. It's a group of death, it's much stronger than the others.
I would rather say the B is far below the others with 1 korean and 3 players which are not top 10/15 foreigners. While the A got 2 koreans and 2 top foreigners. The C got 4 top foreigners The D got 2 koreans.
Anyway, neeb is the only toss left, will be nice to see him advancing.
On April 11 2020 22:16 stilt wrote: The groups are a bit imbalanced.
Zest and Showtime getting knocked out early has totally messed up the racial distribution. Zest got killed by two inferior players in PvZ, which says a lot about where his PvZ is at. And Showtime lost to Cure (no surprise especially in his weakest match up) and in PvP to Mana and Mana can beat just about anyone in PvP.
I was refering to the different strenght of the groups : having Solar/Sortof/Goblin/Mana vs Serral/Gabe/Neeb/Elazer or Clem/Reynor/ Dream/Inno is just weird. No offense to sortof, it's still a good perf but he got lucky for now.
it's really just group C. It's a group of death, it's much stronger than the others.
I would rather say the B is far below the others with 1 korean and 3 players which are not top 10/15 foreigners. While the A got 2 koreans and 2 top foreigners. The C got 4 top foreigners The D got 2 koreans.
Anyway, neeb is the only toss left, will be nice to see him advancing.
Based on what I have seen from Neeb so far this season, I think there is exactly 0 percent chance he is going to advance... Although I would love if he somehow did it
On April 11 2020 22:57 MarianoSC2 wrote: Dream Really thought he could beat Reynor at least once. His TvZ has looked so good lately
I know right? He just 3-0'd DARK for gods sake! One would imagine that translating to being able to beat Reynor too, but I guess not.
I honestly think a lot of that 3-0 was Dark just crashing his head into Dream with the roach-ravager stuff he loves to do (and which every Terran by now knows he loves to do).
On April 11 2020 23:29 aringadingding wrote: A bit boring to have no toss advance (i know neeb still has a theoretical chance... buuut...).
Should have invited more Koreans. Zest was the only Korean Toss in the whole tournament and the only other Protoss that was even INVITED was Parting.
Homestory always has a bad habit of being bad at representing Korea in all 3 races of the tournament.
But HSC was always about the atmosphere
I know that, that's why I don't take the results of it too seriously. It still sucks though to see so many of the tournaments end up like this one with really bad racial representation. Makes me lose interest much faster.
On April 11 2020 23:29 aringadingding wrote: A bit boring to have no toss advance (i know neeb still has a theoretical chance... buuut...).
Should have invited more Koreans. Zest was the only Korean Toss in the whole tournament and the only other Protoss that was even INVITED was Parting.
Homestory always has a bad habit of being bad at representing Korea in all 3 races of the tournament.
But HSC was always about the atmosphere
I know that, that's why I don't take the results of it too seriously. It still sucks though to see so many of the tournaments end up like this one with really bad racial representation. Makes me lose interest much faster.
There are 11 Protoss in this Tournament how is it the organisers fault that they didn't play up to their usual standards?
On April 11 2020 23:29 aringadingding wrote: A bit boring to have no toss advance (i know neeb still has a theoretical chance... buuut...).
Should have invited more Koreans. Zest was the only Korean Toss in the whole tournament and the only other Protoss that was even INVITED was Parting.
Homestory always has a bad habit of being bad at representing Korea in all 3 races of the tournament.
But HSC was always about the atmosphere
I know that, that's why I don't take the results of it too seriously. It still sucks though to see so many of the tournaments end up like this one with really bad racial representation. Makes me lose interest much faster.
There are 11 Protoss in this Tournament how is it the organisers fault that they didn't play up to their usual standards?
Read what I wrote again one more time will you? I said something specific.
I think rotti might have a point, Serral should play more online cups with the plebs to be more accustomed to bullshit play :p And even if he is wrong it would be nice by Joona to support Wardi by participing in some of his cups.
On April 12 2020 00:54 stilt wrote: I think rotti might have a point, Serral should play more online cups with the plebs to be more accustomed to bullshit play :p And even if he is wrong it would be nice by Joona to support Wardi by participing in some of his cups.
i never realized how much of a lan player he was. come to think about it i only think about moments of him at lans edit: really it's a good thing. back in the 1.5/1.6 days of cs there was a saying.. do it on lan
On April 12 2020 00:59 Morbidius wrote: Are mutas back on the menu in ZvT?
They have been reasonably viable for months now. Large numbers of mutas are still much less common than just 8-10 admittedly.
I think they're more than just reasonably viable and actually really powerful again.
Zerg meta transformation in the last 2 years has been players doing very well with a particular way to play, then discover another amazing way to play and disregarding the previous composition as trash, looks like we're back in the muta phase now, we're probably gonna go back to hydra in a month or two.
On April 12 2020 00:59 Morbidius wrote: Are mutas back on the menu in ZvT?
They have been reasonably viable for months now. Large numbers of mutas are still much less common than just 8-10 admittedly.
I think they're more than just reasonably viable and actually really powerful again.
Zerg meta transformation in the last 2 years has been players doing very well with a particular way to play, then discover another amazing way to play and disregarding the previous composition as trash, looks like we're back in the muta phase now, we're probably gonna go back to hydra in a month or two.
The best part was when infested terrans got removed and zergs (after a brief period of whining and gnashing of teeth) realized that skytoss was still really easy to deal with.
I wanted to ask what the heck was Neeb doing but then I remembered what kind of matchup he was playing. At this point the tosses not named Parting can basically just forfeit every single PvZ, it would save everyone a lot of time.
On April 12 2020 00:59 Morbidius wrote: Are mutas back on the menu in ZvT?
I just said this on twitter, but I don't think they ever left.
I think it was just "easier" for Zerg to win with Infestors and Hive Tech so why bother with the more APM intensive Muta/Bane?
Mutas were never buffed, the only changes we've had have been nerfs to Infestors and Broodlords oh and Nydus Worms too.
The important thing is that most of LotV saw almost no muta play at the top level for one reason or another. Mutas weren't ever buffed, but Terran counters were nerfed. Maps also make an impact on whether Zergs go pure ling bane or hydras or LBM.
Honestly if Neeb would take some better fights he could actually win some games.
On April 12 2020 00:59 Morbidius wrote: Are mutas back on the menu in ZvT?
I just said this on twitter, but I don't think they ever left.
I think it was just "easier" for Zerg to win with Infestors and Hive Tech so why bother with the more APM intensive Muta/Bane?
Mutas were never buffed, the only changes we've had have been nerfs to Infestors and Broodlords oh and Nydus Worms too.
Mutas were not buffed, but its counters were, specially Thor aa increase priority and damage an +1 armor. Also larva production was nerfed at the begging of lotv so may have affected it.
On April 12 2020 01:59 nojok wrote: The commentator correctly pointed that Serral actually looks afraid of neeb with those wonky strats, which does not make sense.
Especially considering that Neeb is one of those players that's basically guaranteed to play stock standard which isn't a great strat. against a superior opponent in PvZ. Oh well the result is the expected one at the end of the day.
I think we'll have a terran in the finals, the winner of Cure vs Inno is heavily favored in the semis, though I guess time zones could throw things off.
We officialy have over a year of tournament with a zerg in every final, only exception being Cheesadelphia and Copa America, NA Starcraft best Starcraft.
Serral 4-3 in the group. I think that's his lowest W/L ratio in a groupstage since 2017. The 14 hatch was definitely due to him suffering from PTSD from his games vs Zest, being hatch-blocked 3 times. The 2 hatch lair...now that one is just 6D chess 500 IQ strategy that mere mortals can't fathom.
On April 12 2020 02:14 Nakajin wrote: We officialy have over a year of tournament with a zerg in every final, only exception being Cheesadelphia and Copa America, NA Starcraft best Starcraft.
On April 12 2020 02:14 Nakajin wrote: We officialy have over a year of tournament with a zerg in every final, only exception being Cheesadelphia and Copa America, NA Starcraft best Starcraft.
2019 Super Tournament 1 finals was a PvT.
Yes and it was on the 21th of april 2019, ence the full year.
On April 12 2020 02:14 Nakajin wrote: We officialy have over a year of tournament with a zerg in every final, only exception being Cheesadelphia and Copa America, NA Starcraft best Starcraft.
2019 Super Tournament 1 finals was a PvT.
Yes and it was on the 21th of april 2019, ence the full year.
On April 12 2020 02:14 Nakajin wrote: We officialy have over a year of tournament with a zerg in every final, only exception being Cheesadelphia and Copa America, NA Starcraft best Starcraft.
2019 Super Tournament 1 finals was a PvT.
Yes and it was on the 21th of april 2019, ence the full year.
That was less than a year ago.
Well there's no other tournament in the next week 10 days.
Edit actually Wardi Spring championship may end before that, dunno when it end. Point is, I wan't to whine
soO should never play muta ling bane in ZvZ, I feel like the person he's playing against can always cling on until late game and even if soO is in an unloseable positions, he loses late game.
On April 12 2020 03:38 sneakyfox wrote: Well it's already 3.30 am in Korea, that might be part of the reason for how soO played.
If any Korean player does make it to the finals it's going to hurt.
I'd believe sleep deprivation as an excuse if the problem was that soO had poor control or poor reads. soO being convinced that brood lords are worth making in ZvZ is a whole different kettle of fish.
In that second game, soO was counting on Serral not having enough spores and vipers. After that failed, soO did not have any choice but to keep on building broodlords, because if he'd decided to tech switch, he'd be playing from far behind, and his odds would be close to 0% chance of winning. It was pretty much just soO choosing the least bad option after his initial broodlords failed.
On April 12 2020 03:38 sneakyfox wrote: Well it's already 3.30 am in Korea, that might be part of the reason for how soO played.
If any Korean player does make it to the finals it's going to hurt.
I'd believe sleep deprivation as an excuse if the problem was that soO had poor control or poor reads. soO being convinced that brood lords are worth making in ZvZ is a whole different kettle of fish.
I dunno, sometimes on ladder I do really stupid stuff in attempt to just end the game here and then even though I know it's not the right play
On April 12 2020 03:38 sneakyfox wrote: Well it's already 3.30 am in Korea, that might be part of the reason for how soO played.
If any Korean player does make it to the finals it's going to hurt.
I'd believe sleep deprivation as an excuse if the problem was that soO had poor control or poor reads. soO being convinced that brood lords are worth making in ZvZ is a whole different kettle of fish.
I dunno, sometimes on ladder I do really stupid stuff in attempt to just end the game here and then even though I know it's not the right play
It's ZvZ. I'm sure soO could come up with an all-in that's a bit swifter than a brood lord timing.
So disappointed by soO. Game 3: Why build 2 spines if you won't even let them do their job? All soO had to do was pull back his army a little. After that, it just snowballed.
On April 12 2020 03:38 sneakyfox wrote: Well it's already 3.30 am in Korea, that might be part of the reason for how soO played.
If any Korean player does make it to the finals it's going to hurt.
If there's one player that can actually do it, it has to be Inno. But it is late, the last game kinda showed it.
IDK it seems like the kind of tournament Solar could win then everyone just forget it ever happen. Just like those Chinese tournament he won this year and last year.
Deciding to engage the tanks or not with the marines is a really tricky decision with lots of factors and they have to make it every thirty seconds this game.
Maybe a bit sloppy here and there, but that was still excellent TvT right there.
On April 12 2020 04:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Deciding to engage the tanks or not with the marines is a really tricky decision with lots of factors and they have to make it every thirty seconds this game.
Just saw Serral vs soO game 2. I've literally never seen a player lose a game by donating 40 broodlords. Everyone knows soO can't play lategame but that was another level of awful.
On April 12 2020 04:49 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Just saw Serral vs soO game 2. I've literally never seen a player lose a game by donating 40 broodlords. Everyone knows soO can't play lategame but that was another level of awful.
On April 12 2020 04:49 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Just saw Serral vs soO game 2. I've literally never seen a player lose a game by donating 40 broodlords. Everyone knows soO can't play lategame but that was another level of awful.
There’s also the Bo7 series throw, where a player goes up 3-0 and then gets reverse swept. Last did it twice in consecutive series in the OSL - not surprisingly, the trauma was too much for him and he left SC2 for BW
Innovation also did it against Soulkey in a GSL finals
On April 12 2020 05:12 virpi wrote: That's the Serral i love.
You love it when he gets massively behind against mutas and then sees his opponent throw the game?
I know that Solar threw, but Serral still played a great defensive game.
Yeah sick building placement, solar had no choice but suiciding 100 banelings for two buildings. Then when Serral forced solar to put all his broodlords near a cliff full of hydras and vipers, sick play x]
Serral’s an all-time great player, but unfortunately I have a deep-seated rage against Zerg stemming from the 2012 Queen patch, so I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to soften my heart and acknowledge a Zerg as the GOAT
On April 12 2020 04:49 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Just saw Serral vs soO game 2. I've literally never seen a player lose a game by donating 40 broodlords. Everyone knows soO can't play lategame but that was another level of awful.
On April 12 2020 05:24 Bagration wrote: Serral’s an all-time great player, but unfortunately I have a deep-seated rage against Zerg stemming from the 2012 Queen patch, so I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to soften my heart and acknowledge a Zerg as the GOAT
Guess I’m just a hater
There will never be "the" GOAT in SC2 imho. Region locking led into separated narratives. Serral, Maru and Inno are the top three for me, but I can't say who is number 1. Closely behind: sOs, MC, Mvp, Rogue, he who must not be named.
On April 12 2020 05:24 Bagration wrote: Serral’s an all-time great player, but unfortunately I have a deep-seated rage against Zerg stemming from the 2012 Queen patch, so I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to soften my heart and acknowledge a Zerg as the GOAT
Guess I’m just a hater
There will never be "the" GOAT in SC2 imho. Region locking led into separated narratives. Serral, Maru and Inno are the top three for me, but I can't say who is number 1. Closely behind: sOs, MC, Mvp, Rogue, he who must not be named.
If Maru could have close it out vs Rogue we may have had it.
On April 12 2020 05:24 Bagration wrote: Serral’s an all-time great player, but unfortunately I have a deep-seated rage against Zerg stemming from the 2012 Queen patch, so I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to soften my heart and acknowledge a Zerg as the GOAT
Guess I’m just a hater
There will never be "the" GOAT in SC2 imho. Region locking led into separated narratives. Serral, Maru and Inno are the top three for me, but I can't say who is number 1. Closely behind: sOs, MC, Mvp, Rogue, he who must not be named.
Having pulled some crazy stints at being awake (without drugs), I can tell that there's a phase in which your body switches into survival mode. You're able to focus on one thing decently, but you're very jittery overall. Not ideal for a game like Starcraft. Longest time I've ever been awake was something around 60 hours when I was finishing a music project. (Studio hours were running out.)
The result was okay, but the last few takes were absolutely terrible. So yeah. Sleep is important.
On April 12 2020 06:19 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Wow Inno is bringing it back. Hope he takes game 5 to give us the best final.
Inno is already half asleep and goofing around not playing seriously at all. Serral would trash him 4:0. I actually want Elazer to advance to give us maybe a slightly more even clown fiesta final
On April 12 2020 06:19 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Wow Inno is bringing it back. Hope he takes game 5 to give us the best final.
Inno is already half asleep and goofing around not playing seriously at all. Serral would trash him 4:0. I actually want Elazer to advance to give us maybe a slightly more even clown fiesta final
Is he though? INno has gone for stuff like the proxy three rax marauder follow up even when well rested. Yeah he might not be in top form but I don't think he's goofing off.
On April 12 2020 06:19 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Wow Inno is bringing it back. Hope he takes game 5 to give us the best final.
Is it really going to be the best final if Inno is half dead?
It's a HSC tradition, just like when Inno's eye got worse and worse during the tournament and he had to play Serral, without anyone even getting some spare parts to fix him up.
On April 12 2020 06:19 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Wow Inno is bringing it back. Hope he takes game 5 to give us the best final.
Inno is already half asleep and goofing around not playing seriously at all. Serral would trash him 4:0. I actually want Elazer to advance to give us maybe a slightly more even clown fiesta final
Is he though? INno has gone for stuff like the proxy three rax marauder follow up even when well rested. Yeah he might not be in top form but I don't think he's goofing off.
idk if he's goofing off or not, but the finals is gonna be starting at like 7am korean time and would probably go past 8am if inno is still awake enough to play decently
Inno knew this in advance. Are you sure he's tired or those are assumptions based on the fact it's late night in Korea? It seems a great setup to call Inno a god if he wins and to diminish Serral's victory if he loses.
On April 12 2020 06:46 Xain0n wrote: Inno knew this in advance. Are you sure he's tired or those are assumptions based on the fact it's late night in Korea? It seems a great setup to call Inno a god if he wins and to diminish Serral's victory if he loses.
lol Serral doesn't beat the best players in the world in fair circumstances.
On April 12 2020 06:46 Xain0n wrote: Inno knew this in advance. Are you sure he's tired or those are assumptions based on the fact it's late night in Korea? It seems a great setup to call Inno a god if he wins and to diminish Serral's victory if he loses.
lol Serral doesn't beat the best players in the world in fair circumstances.
On April 12 2020 05:14 ChaosArcher wrote: Did we just witness the biggest throw of all time?
Seriously curious, must be in the top 5 all time at least. Any other honorable mentions that come to mind?
Mvp - Tefel Mvp - Innovation Mvp - Squirtle
Innovation vs Soulkey GSL 2013 S1
soO vs Fantasy in Proleague, when soO managed to lose his last building to a banshee with red hp and 1 cloak energy. soO had like 40 corrupters at the time.
On April 12 2020 06:46 Xain0n wrote: Inno knew this in advance. Are you sure he's tired or those are assumptions based on the fact it's late night in Korea? It seems a great setup to call Inno a god if he wins and to diminish Serral's victory if he loses.
And completely justified. Fortunately for you, there is no way Inno wins. Serral is the king of foreign land and friendly tournaments, and Inno is tired and not taking this seriously. Nice memes though.
On April 12 2020 06:46 Xain0n wrote: Inno knew this in advance. Are you sure he's tired or those are assumptions based on the fact it's late night in Korea? It seems a great setup to call Inno a god if he wins and to diminish Serral's victory if he loses.
And completely justified. Fortunately for you, there is no way Inno wins. Serral is the king of foreign land and friendly tournaments, and Inno is tired and not taking this seriously. Nice memes though.
You speak of memes while coming up with this pathetic mindset and these ridicolous excuses?
On April 12 2020 06:46 Xain0n wrote: Inno knew this in advance. Are you sure he's tired or those are assumptions based on the fact it's late night in Korea? It seems a great setup to call Inno a god if he wins and to diminish Serral's victory if he loses.
And completely justified. Fortunately for you, there is no way Inno wins. Serral is the king of foreign land and friendly tournaments, and Inno is tired and not taking this seriously. Nice memes though.
If this is INno not taking things seriously, I want to know what he's like when he does take things seriously. Maybe he only plays seriously for LoL?
On April 12 2020 06:46 Xain0n wrote: Inno knew this in advance. Are you sure he's tired or those are assumptions based on the fact it's late night in Korea? It seems a great setup to call Inno a god if he wins and to diminish Serral's victory if he loses.
You need to chill. It is 7am in Korea and it is valid to think that given the hours, it is probably not the best timing for him to play. If the situations were swapped and Serral was playing at 6am in Finland, people would make the same comments. They made the same comments when Scarlett played against Neeb in WCS NA finals and it was 6am in Korea.
On April 12 2020 07:18 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I feel like Parasitic Bomb alone makes this style of bio mine into flying large groups of medivacs all over the map a lot weaker than it was in HotS.
It was pretty strong in HotS, but in LotV it just looks like once vipers come out, the Terran is on a timer to switch into higher tech units.
Getting vipers for lots of parasitic bomb against this style isn't even the most common response though. And terrans can get thors in LotV to beat brood lords so the transition is easier.
The biggest difference that makes bio/mine not the go-to build from terran are the eco changes and zerg just having more compositions than ling/bane/muta every game.
edit: and lmao at Reynor having no idea about the stats of his units.
On April 12 2020 06:46 Xain0n wrote: Inno knew this in advance. Are you sure he's tired or those are assumptions based on the fact it's late night in Korea? It seems a great setup to call Inno a god if he wins and to diminish Serral's victory if he loses.
lol Serral doesn't beat the best players in the world in fair circumstances.
This has to be sarcasm or blinding stupidity right?
Dunno, in the last game, it felt like inno wasn't at his best, considering how I just screw up my chess games at 1 AM, playing at 7 must be rough for him.
On April 12 2020 08:08 stilt wrote: Dunno, in the last game, it felt like inno wasn't at his best, considering how I just screw up my chess games at 1 AM, playing at 7 must be rough for him.
On April 12 2020 08:08 stilt wrote: Dunno, in the last game, it felt like inno wasn't at his best, considering how I just screw up my chess games at 1 AM, playing at 7 must be rough for him.
Playing bullet at 1 am is how online chess is meant to be played. Admittedly I do usually lose 200 elo when that happens (especially when I'm watching Starcraft at the same time).
On April 12 2020 08:08 stilt wrote: Dunno, in the last game, it felt like inno wasn't at his best, considering how I just screw up my chess games at 1 AM, playing at 7 must be rough for him.
Playing bullet at 1 am is how online chess is meant to be played. Admittedly I do usually lose 200 elo when that happens (especially when I'm watching Starcraft at the same time).
Was playing blitz as I lost my mouse just before the lockdown x) But it's cray how terrible I am.
On April 12 2020 08:22 Nakajin wrote: Hey, we got a good 2 week without a zerg champ guys
Maybe time for a buff?
With the overall efficiency of the ultralisk making it almost the only option in late game, I feel like it's time to buff the brood lord to create more variety and keep the game fresh.
On April 12 2020 08:27 Akio wrote: This thread turned into such a wholesome suggestion-thread for the insect-race, Zerg.
Queens seemed a bit weak against banshees. Maybe +1 range could fix that.
/irony
Y'a and those thing are invisible, I mean what's up with that? Invisible flying plane killing you drone, that's not very fair. They should at least put detection on overlord just like in BW.
On April 12 2020 10:03 TentativePanda wrote: The best player in the world won the tournament? What a fucking shit show balance is right now
Assuming this is directed at the state of Zerg matchups, ZvT looks like it's in a better state now than it's been in a long time. Hell, Dream 3-0ed Dark the other day...
ZvP still looks pretty wonky, where P wins off the back of some wonky aggressive play or gets destroyed late game.
So the Serral cup goes to Serral, how surprising... Congrats I suppose, winning an online friendly against a few tired Koreans has to be respected. GG Inno, the real winner here who gave us great games in such tough circumstances. The way he beat Elazer even though he was memeing in the first two games was awesome. Thanks everyone participating and organizing, all in all it was fun which matters most.
On April 12 2020 13:05 MarianoSC2 wrote: So the Serral cup goes to Serral, how surprising... Congrats I suppose, winning an online friendly against a few tired Koreans has to be respected. GG Inno, the real winner here who gave us great games in such tough circumstances. The way he beat Elazer even though he was memeing in the first two games was awesome. Thanks everyone participating and organizing, all in all it was fun which matters most.
Yeah, this is an insightful and valuable post. Can we have more of this great content from you? More passive-aggressive than a scorned, teenage girl.
If you realy want to take any conclusions about the State of the game out of this tournament, it would be how unstable the NA Server is. It was a 5k online Cup with almost only invites guys. GGs to Serral for winning it, Inno for defeating sleep and Elazer for his good run, thx for putting this up TakeTV
On April 12 2020 13:05 MarianoSC2 wrote: So the Serral cup goes to Serral, how surprising... Congrats I suppose, winning an online friendly against a few tired Koreans has to be respected. GG Inno, the real winner here who gave us great games in such tough circumstances. The way he beat Elazer even though he was memeing in the first two games was awesome. Thanks everyone participating and organizing, all in all it was fun which matters most.
not to mentioned the cross-served condition. It's like playing with 50% handicap whenever you play versus a Zerg.
On April 12 2020 13:05 MarianoSC2 wrote: So the Serral cup goes to Serral, how surprising... Congrats I suppose, winning an online friendly against a few tired Koreans has to be respected. GG Inno, the real winner here who gave us great games in such tough circumstances. The way he beat Elazer even though he was memeing in the first two games was awesome. Thanks everyone participating and organizing, all in all it was fun which matters most.
not to mentioned the cross-served condition. It's like playing with 50% handicap whenever you play versus a Zerg.
Serral is the bad guy for playing in a tournament that was not ideal for koreans Surprising amount of whining for a tournament that had real meaning... Thanks for the tournament, Take!
Really cool tournament, enjoyed it very much. Thanks to the crew, and much respect to Rotti and Wardi for carrying so hard. Also special shoutout to Lambo, best guest commentator!
I agree that I was really impressed with INnoVation. I also think Group A from the Ro16 was the best part of the tournament, really awesome games. Serral winning a HSC against INnoVation is... well, expected by now, I suppose. I wouldn't read all too much into the result in the grand scheme of things, but it was a well deserved victory for Serral, of course, especially after he looked a but shaky during the day.
On April 12 2020 08:44 Xain0n wrote: I would say just buff Protoss and quit whining about TvZ.
Also, Serral said he might eventually play some online cup! That's great
Aside from the fact that people are overdoing it atm, I'd like to see your suggestions for Protoss buffs that actually improve things significantly against Zerg but cause no issues in PvT in the process. Because to me that doesn't sound very easy.
On April 12 2020 08:44 Xain0n wrote: I would say just buff Protoss and quit whining about TvZ.
Also, Serral said he might eventually play some online cup! That's great
Aside from the fact that people are overdoing it atm, I'd like to see your suggestions for Protoss buffs that actually improve things significantly against Zerg but cause no issues in PvT in the process. Because to me that doesn't sound very easy.
A research that makes Force Fields indestructible! Terran never destroys them and against Zerg Protoss gets more zone control in fights.
On April 12 2020 08:44 Xain0n wrote: I would say just buff Protoss and quit whining about TvZ.
Also, Serral said he might eventually play some online cup! That's great
Aside from the fact that people are overdoing it atm, I'd like to see your suggestions for Protoss buffs that actually improve things significantly against Zerg but cause no issues in PvT in the process. Because to me that doesn't sound very easy.
I agree, that's not easy and I don't think I have the answer. I sincerely believe that TvZ is a well balanced matchup where maps make a relevant difference and seeing the reduced size of maps in TL's contests I would say Terran will fare better and better over the next seasons.
If you were to solve PvZ issues by nerfing Zerg, you could maybe try hitting Roaches and/or Ravagers that Terran have apparently no issues against if not for some cheese, while it seems me that Protoss are getting overwhelmed in the midgame a little too often; this could have an impact in the very enjoyable(haters gonna hate, nevetheless) ZvZ meta.
I think that Protoss could use a buff in the lategame where they seem to still have issues against Zerg and no real answer to BCs; it's also notable that PvP is perceived as a bad matchup by both progamers and viewers and that it rarely gets past one/two bases.
Which unit/s or abilities you should buff to give Protoss both a better chance against Zerg and an incentive to play longer PvP games, I don't know. We can safely say Void Rays might get further improved and that maybe Adepts could need to be redesigned to be less annoying in early timing pushes while not getting hopelessly slaughtered by Roaches shortly after; a buff to Stalkers seem risky to me.
Thus said, my ideas could very well be wrong but we can't deny PvZ favors Zerg more than it would be legit atm.
On April 12 2020 08:44 Xain0n wrote: I would say just buff Protoss and quit whining about TvZ.
Also, Serral said he might eventually play some online cup! That's great
Aside from the fact that people are overdoing it atm, I'd like to see your suggestions for Protoss buffs that actually improve things significantly against Zerg but cause no issues in PvT in the process. Because to me that doesn't sound very easy.
On April 12 2020 08:44 Xain0n wrote: I would say just buff Protoss and quit whining about TvZ.
Also, Serral said he might eventually play some online cup! That's great
Aside from the fact that people are overdoing it atm, I'd like to see your suggestions for Protoss buffs that actually improve things significantly against Zerg but cause no issues in PvT in the process. Because to me that doesn't sound very easy.
Queen -15 damage vs psionic
blizzard hire me
Huh? What would that do besides make Archon drops strong again, and that wouldn't even really be a thing because the Queens still have 8 range to target the Warp Prisms with.
If you were to solve PvZ issues by nerfing Zerg, you could maybe try hitting Roaches and/or Ravagers that Terran have apparently no issues against if not for some cheese, while it seems me that Protoss are getting overwhelmed in the midgame a little too often; this could have an impact in the very enjoyable(haters gonna hate, nevetheless) ZvZ meta.
On April 12 2020 08:44 Xain0n wrote: I would say just buff Protoss and quit whining about TvZ.
Also, Serral said he might eventually play some online cup! That's great
Aside from the fact that people are overdoing it atm, I'd like to see your suggestions for Protoss buffs that actually improve things significantly against Zerg but cause no issues in PvT in the process. Because to me that doesn't sound very easy.
Queen -15 damage vs psionic
blizzard hire me
Huh? What would that do besides make Archon drops strong again, and that wouldn't even really be a thing because the Queens still have 8 range to target the Warp Prisms with.
On April 12 2020 08:44 Xain0n wrote: I would say just buff Protoss and quit whining about TvZ.
Also, Serral said he might eventually play some online cup! That's great
Aside from the fact that people are overdoing it atm, I'd like to see your suggestions for Protoss buffs that actually improve things significantly against Zerg but cause no issues in PvT in the process. Because to me that doesn't sound very easy.
Queen -15 damage vs psionic
blizzard hire me
Huh? What would that do besides make Archon drops strong again, and that wouldn't even really be a thing because the Queens still have 8 range to target the Warp Prisms with.
That won't be a problem after queen range gets nerfed.
If you were to solve PvZ issues by nerfing Zerg, you could maybe try hitting Roaches and/or Ravagers that Terran have apparently no issues against if not for some cheese, while it seems me that Protoss are getting overwhelmed in the midgame a little too often; this could have an impact in the very enjoyable(haters gonna hate, nevetheless) ZvZ meta.
Roaches are pretty important for fighting mech, so it is a risky path.
On April 12 2020 08:44 Xain0n wrote: I would say just buff Protoss and quit whining about TvZ.
Also, Serral said he might eventually play some online cup! That's great
Aside from the fact that people are overdoing it atm, I'd like to see your suggestions for Protoss buffs that actually improve things significantly against Zerg but cause no issues in PvT in the process. Because to me that doesn't sound very easy.
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INnoVation, 
soO, 
GunGFuBanDa
WardiTV
TaKeTV
OGaming
StayAtHomestory Cup/Qualifiers
Especially when GSL is around the corner... 
...maybe Balance whining should generally be a reason to be warned... 
(according to naruto)
