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Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
February 29 2020 16:49 GMT
#681
the ZvZ final draws closer and closer... ._.
~~~~~
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
February 29 2020 16:50 GMT
#682
Serral getting worried about Zest is one of the most unexpected yet hilarious things of the year already. And it's the first tournament of the season.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33599 Posts
February 29 2020 16:51 GMT
#683
good thing they didn't use the "We won't back down from a fight" song for this series intro
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 29 2020 16:51 GMT
#684
On March 01 2020 01:50 Elentos wrote:
Serral getting worried about Zest is one of the most unexpected yet hilarious things of the year already. And it's the first tournament of the season.

He did lose to hurricane. Zest isn't beyond playing that kind of protoss.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
February 29 2020 16:52 GMT
#685
On March 01 2020 01:48 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 01:46 virpi wrote:
On March 01 2020 01:43 royalroadweed wrote:
Should have 2/3 rax at least once. I'm not a fan of the 3 cc. Seems like you either die to pressure or zerg is free to go up to 70 drones.

Serral's biggest "weakness" is defending early timings. I don't get why Inno decided to play straight up 3cc for three games. Maybe he didn't really feel comfortable playing other builds.

If he had a week time maybe he would have had 5 builds. With the time he had the most he could manage to come up with was the game 2 build.

Inno is very good at preparation formats for a reason.

Yeah, he's not good at implementing special stuff on the fly. But his build also didn't look too sharp against Solar. If he fails to do damage with the drops, zerg just rolls over him. (Pro gamer zerg that is, Inno would shit on 99,9% of all players with his raw mechanics.)
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 29 2020 16:52 GMT
#686
On March 01 2020 01:45 vult wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 01:44 Schelim wrote:
it's kinda boring when it's such a foregone conclusion every time. Serral needs to be less good at this game


He’s the Tom Brady of SC2, wins so much that at some point it becomes too predictable and people want something different, but he still just keeps winning.


He's not Tom Brady because he does not cheat
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
February 29 2020 16:52 GMT
#687
On March 01 2020 01:51 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 01:50 Elentos wrote:
Serral getting worried about Zest is one of the most unexpected yet hilarious things of the year already. And it's the first tournament of the season.

He did lose to hurricane. Zest isn't beyond playing that kind of protoss.


Zest gonna lose to Dear who'll try 3 adepts all in build in a row
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 29 2020 16:52 GMT
#688
On March 01 2020 01:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I am amazed by serral's micro, these banelings rolling on top of anything, wow.


I am looking forward to see similar comments whenever Dark/Rogue win their matches.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
February 29 2020 16:52 GMT
#689
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much.
Year of MaxPax
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
February 29 2020 16:52 GMT
#690
On March 01 2020 01:50 Elentos wrote:
Serral getting worried about Zest is one of the most unexpected yet hilarious things of the year already. And it's the first tournament of the season.


I mean he destroyed every Zerg in his group during group stage so he might actually see something that scares him. Serral is typically vulnerable to timing attacks vs Protoss, and that’s how Zest has been winning
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-29 16:54:23
February 29 2020 16:54 GMT
#691
On March 01 2020 01:52 vult wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 01:50 Elentos wrote:
Serral getting worried about Zest is one of the most unexpected yet hilarious things of the year already. And it's the first tournament of the season.


I mean he destroyed every Zerg in his group during group stage so he might actually see something that scares him. Serral is typically vulnerable to timing attacks vs Protoss, and that’s how Zest has been winning

More of a comment on how Zest has been harmless against top Zergs for 3 years and now even has Serral worried.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 29 2020 16:54 GMT
#692
On March 01 2020 01:52 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 01:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I am amazed by serral's micro, these banelings rolling on top of anything, wow.


I am looking forward to see similar comments whenever Dark/Rogue win their matches.

Don't worry i hate zerg no matter who plays it!
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 29 2020 16:54 GMT
#693
ESL should create a rule where all players must play as random. That alone would make things so much more interesting
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
February 29 2020 16:54 GMT
#694
On March 01 2020 01:52 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 01:45 vult wrote:
On March 01 2020 01:44 Schelim wrote:
it's kinda boring when it's such a foregone conclusion every time. Serral needs to be less good at this game


He’s the Tom Brady of SC2, wins so much that at some point it becomes too predictable and people want something different, but he still just keeps winning.


He's not Tom Brady because he does not cheat


I wouldn’t say that Tom Brady cheats, but the Patriots have been caught doing shady stuff, making him automatically to blame. But every NFL team cheats in similar ways so...
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
February 29 2020 16:55 GMT
#695
On March 01 2020 01:45 vult wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 01:44 Schelim wrote:
it's kinda boring when it's such a foregone conclusion every time. Serral needs to be less good at this game


He’s the Tom Brady of SC2, wins so much that at some point it becomes too predictable and people want something different, but he still just keeps winning.


I think it's not Serral whos responsible for "boring" tournaments but rather how the game developed. This is the first time in ~9 years of SC II where I'm genuinely bored with a tournament because I feel like I've already seen every single game that is beeing played. No matter if ZvP, PvP, ZvZ, TvP, TvT,....
Although this game will get it's support over the next three years, I just can't see myself watching more than one or two tournaments per year unless they release another addon, new units or change/add mechanics.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 29 2020 16:55 GMT
#696
On March 01 2020 01:52 virpi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 01:48 Elentos wrote:
On March 01 2020 01:46 virpi wrote:
On March 01 2020 01:43 royalroadweed wrote:
Should have 2/3 rax at least once. I'm not a fan of the 3 cc. Seems like you either die to pressure or zerg is free to go up to 70 drones.

Serral's biggest "weakness" is defending early timings. I don't get why Inno decided to play straight up 3cc for three games. Maybe he didn't really feel comfortable playing other builds.

If he had a week time maybe he would have had 5 builds. With the time he had the most he could manage to come up with was the game 2 build.

Inno is very good at preparation formats for a reason.

Yeah, he's not good at implementing special stuff on the fly. But his build also didn't look too sharp against Solar. If he fails to do damage with the drops, zerg just rolls over him. (Pro gamer zerg that is, Inno would shit on 99,9% of all players with his raw mechanics.)

When did that change? I recall a time where terran were winning weekenders left and right with only marginal success in long form prepared format tournaments.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 29 2020 16:55 GMT
#697
On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much.


It's an old game with old players.

At least it's not Brood War. I'm watching ASL and Tastosis are still raving about Flash. Imagine 12 years of Serral.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 29 2020 16:55 GMT
#698
On March 01 2020 01:52 vult wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 01:50 Elentos wrote:
Serral getting worried about Zest is one of the most unexpected yet hilarious things of the year already. And it's the first tournament of the season.


I mean he destroyed every Zerg in his group during group stage so he might actually see something that scares him. Serral is typically vulnerable to timing attacks vs Protoss, and that’s how Zest has been winning


Serral is typically most vulnerable to timing attacks(with the notable expection of ZvZ); against Hurricane, Serral was trying out weird builds(g1 especially) but effectively Zest's playstyle could be problematic to deal with.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
February 29 2020 16:55 GMT
#699
On March 01 2020 01:55 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much.


It's an old game with old players.

At least it's not Brood War. I'm watching ASL and Tastosis are still raving about Flash. Imagine 12 years of Serral.


hahaha
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 29 2020 16:56 GMT
#700
On March 01 2020 01:54 Noonius wrote:
ESL should create a rule where all players must play as random. That alone would make things so much more interesting

Too much rng.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
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