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On March 01 2020 02:00 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 01:45 vult wrote:On March 01 2020 01:44 Schelim wrote:
it's kinda boring when it's such a foregone conclusion every time. Serral needs to be less good at this game He’s the Tom Brady of SC2, wins so much that at some point it becomes too predictable and people want something different, but he still just keeps winning. Maybe floyd mayweather is the more apt comparison if you consider how the promoters use him to benefit off dubious racial dynamics 
Floyd did a lot of that on his own.
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On March 01 2020 01:57 Andi_Goldberger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 01:54 Noonius wrote:
ESL should create a rule where all players must play as random. That alone would make things so much more interesting scarlett/skillous/beastyqt bonjwa?
Considering how Reynor dismantled the latter, I question it.
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On March 01 2020 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 02:00 virpi wrote:On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much. Those were also the wild west years of SC2, don't forget that. We're past our prime, those days will never come back. Personally, I like to have a stable top tier of players. That's just how competition works. Those who stick around, stay on top, if they're good enough. These extremely volatile MLG brackets were fun to watch, when there were no eagles on screen, but the overall level of play was hilariously bad in comparison to today's display of skill. TLDR: Gameplay has never been better as it is right now, which is why there's less randomness. There's also much fewer new players to challenge the established ones.
True, but that's also to be expected. The game turns 10 this year.
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Canada8989 Posts
On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much.
There's a video out there of James Chen (FGC guy) talking about the pre-SF4 days when he realize that he went to tournaments and arcade look around him and knew every single person there, I've pretty much have that feeling these days, at least the foreign scene is a bit more vibrant.
And if the FGC have been able to turn it around, maybe there's hope for us too!
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On March 01 2020 02:04 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much. There's a video out there of James Chen (FGC guy) talking about the pre-SF4 days when he realize that he went to tournaments and arcade look around him and knew every single person there, I've pretty much have that feeling these days, at least the foreign scene is a bit more vibrant. And if the FGC have been able to turn it around, maybe there's hope for us too!
ehhh I'd warn against getting too deep into an old-fart group-think bubble here, when stream numbers seem to suggest quite a lot of fans are content to watch Serral crush
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On March 01 2020 02:08 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 02:04 Nakajin wrote:On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much. There's a video out there of James Chen (FGC guy) talking about the pre-SF4 days when he realize that he went to tournaments and arcade look around him and knew every single person there, I've pretty much have that feeling these days, at least the foreign scene is a bit more vibrant. And if the FGC have been able to turn it around, maybe there's hope for us too! ehhh I'd warn against getting too deep into an old-fart group-think bubble here, when stream numbers seem to suggest quite a lot of fans are content to watch Serral crush
Agreed. We're doing fine considering the age of the game.
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Zest is 41–18 (69.49%) in games and 20–8 (71.43%) in matches against Dear
which of course makes Dear a victim of Zest :p
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On March 01 2020 02:04 sudete wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On March 01 2020 02:00 virpi wrote:On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much. Those were also the wild west years of SC2, don't forget that. We're past our prime, those days will never come back. Personally, I like to have a stable top tier of players. That's just how competition works. Those who stick around, stay on top, if they're good enough. These extremely volatile MLG brackets were fun to watch, when there were no eagles on screen, but the overall level of play was hilariously bad in comparison to today's display of skill. TLDR: Gameplay has never been better as it is right now, which is why there's less randomness. There's also much fewer new players to challenge the established ones. Very true. I don't have a lot of faith in the likes of Chance, Prince and Gyulzzing to revitalise the korean scene with the vibrancy of youth and god-tier micro
Zoun seems to be the best "new" face; if Sc2 has a future, it won't be in South Korea.
We just need to see if the upcoming generation of(mostly european) progamers will develop S tier skills.
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On March 01 2020 02:08 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 02:04 Nakajin wrote:On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much. There's a video out there of James Chen (FGC guy) talking about the pre-SF4 days when he realize that he went to tournaments and arcade look around him and knew every single person there, I've pretty much have that feeling these days, at least the foreign scene is a bit more vibrant. And if the FGC have been able to turn it around, maybe there's hope for us too! ehhh I'd warn against getting too deep into an old-fart group-think bubble here, when stream numbers seem to suggest quite a lot of fans are content to watch Serral crush
It was better in my back in my days god dammit!
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On March 01 2020 02:08 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 02:04 Nakajin wrote:On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much. There's a video out there of James Chen (FGC guy) talking about the pre-SF4 days when he realize that he went to tournaments and arcade look around him and knew every single person there, I've pretty much have that feeling these days, at least the foreign scene is a bit more vibrant. And if the FGC have been able to turn it around, maybe there's hope for us too! ehhh I'd warn against getting too deep into an old-fart group-think bubble here, when stream numbers seem to suggest quite a lot of fans are content to watch Serral crush
Yeah, b-stream had 10k viewers when Serral played TY and main stream showed something different, other games had much less on b-stream iirc. I think Serral vs Maru would give the highest viewer count by far, Serral vs Rogue might give the lowest though since for some reason ZvZ is unloved by many.
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On March 01 2020 02:09 Penev wrote:
Zest is 41–18 (69.49%) in games and 20–8 (71.43%) in matches against Dear
which of course makes Dear a victim of Zest :p
Has Dear ever beaten Zest offline outside of proleague?
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I understand why they're doing it but I am a bit sad seeing rotti/tod casting the pvp and not serral/inno, those are by far my favorites.
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Well. That looked terrible.
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On March 01 2020 02:11 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 02:08 Waxangel wrote:On March 01 2020 02:04 Nakajin wrote:On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much. There's a video out there of James Chen (FGC guy) talking about the pre-SF4 days when he realize that he went to tournaments and arcade look around him and knew every single person there, I've pretty much have that feeling these days, at least the foreign scene is a bit more vibrant. And if the FGC have been able to turn it around, maybe there's hope for us too! ehhh I'd warn against getting too deep into an old-fart group-think bubble here, when stream numbers seem to suggest quite a lot of fans are content to watch Serral crush It was better in my back in my days god dammit!
*Starts sweating profusely as a Fruitdealer fan.*
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anyone know what Zest just did with that tape? lol
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On March 01 2020 02:12 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 02:09 Penev wrote:
Zest is 41–18 (69.49%) in games and 20–8 (71.43%) in matches against Dear
which of course makes Dear a victim of Zest :p Has Dear ever beaten Zest offline outside of proleague?
Nope
Edit: Well he won a bo1 in the Netease tournament, but that's the same as proleague
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On March 01 2020 02:12 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 02:08 Waxangel wrote:On March 01 2020 02:04 Nakajin wrote:On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much. There's a video out there of James Chen (FGC guy) talking about the pre-SF4 days when he realize that he went to tournaments and arcade look around him and knew every single person there, I've pretty much have that feeling these days, at least the foreign scene is a bit more vibrant. And if the FGC have been able to turn it around, maybe there's hope for us too! ehhh I'd warn against getting too deep into an old-fart group-think bubble here, when stream numbers seem to suggest quite a lot of fans are content to watch Serral crush Yeah, b-stream had 10k viewers when Serral played TY and main stream showed something different, other games had much less on b-stream iirc. I think Serral vs Maru would give the highest viewer count by far, Serral vs Rogue might give the lowest though since for some reason ZvZ is unloved by many.
The second game of Serral/TY was amazing.
Maru/Serral would make the best finals for sure but for the storyline, I am actually not against a zvz with Dark :>
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On March 01 2020 02:15 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 02:11 Nakajin wrote:On March 01 2020 02:08 Waxangel wrote:On March 01 2020 02:04 Nakajin wrote:On March 01 2020 01:52 sudete wrote:
I really miss when tournaments were more interesting and there was great potential for dramatic underdog storylines. May not always reflect who the best is but it was just incredibly fun to have stories like duckdeok, pigbaby, sting, stardust, the random lot of gsl winners (especially seed and jjakji) among others. Never mind the insane MLG tournaments with massive open brackets or the oddities of up&down matches in gsl - I would be happy just to have one good story in one big tournament. miss the feeling of wide-eyed wonder so much. There's a video out there of James Chen (FGC guy) talking about the pre-SF4 days when he realize that he went to tournaments and arcade look around him and knew every single person there, I've pretty much have that feeling these days, at least the foreign scene is a bit more vibrant. And if the FGC have been able to turn it around, maybe there's hope for us too! ehhh I'd warn against getting too deep into an old-fart group-think bubble here, when stream numbers seem to suggest quite a lot of fans are content to watch Serral crush It was better in my back in my days god dammit! *Starts sweating profusely as a Fruitdealer fan.*
I liked ENCE before it was cool. Elfi 4 lyfe.
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On March 01 2020 02:15 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2020 02:12 Fango wrote:On March 01 2020 02:09 Penev wrote:
Zest is 41–18 (69.49%) in games and 20–8 (71.43%) in matches against Dear
which of course makes Dear a victim of Zest :p Has Dear ever beaten Zest offline outside of proleague? Nope
Indeed, only team leagues
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