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seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
August 31 2019 07:13 GMT
#81
this map sucks for terran against zerg but for TvT ? its brilliant
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
August 31 2019 07:14 GMT
#82
On August 31 2019 16:05 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2019 15:55 BerserkSword wrote:
On August 31 2019 15:50 pvsnp wrote:
On August 31 2019 15:48 BerserkSword wrote:
tempest is such a garbage unit lmfao


I always thought of Tempests and Stalkers as quintessentially Protoss units. Controlled properly they deal damage with near-impunity while opponents flail around helplessly. Miscontrolled they collapse like a house of cards.


I agree with stalkers.

But ever since the Tempest nerf (lost both its durability and a good deal of speed it gamed from its previous patch) I havent seen them really do anything at the highest level even in the hands of players like stats and neeb...except for classic's tempests rush


Tempests are definitely weaker (as expected from a nerf), but with perfect control they are just as strong as they used to be. As long as they outrange everything else they can still kite, the nerfs to speed and health just raise the control bar and punish mistakes harder.

Which I think is a good thing, personally, free damage/units/etc just aren't good design. Everything needs a drawback.


They are not as good as they used to be even with perfect control. Their current speed tier is pretty useless and doesnt make up for the massive durability nerf they got. They get caught easily now.

I think the speed tempests were broken, but i dont think the durable ones were.

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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
August 31 2019 07:14 GMT
#83
This lack of neosteel/hisec is physically painful
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 31 2019 07:14 GMT
#84
Is this the first time when having nothing to say actually has stopped Tasteless?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 31 2019 07:15 GMT
#85
On August 31 2019 16:13 seemsgood wrote:
this map sucks for terran against zerg but for TvT ? its brilliant

Thunderbird is not a bad TvZ map
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 31 2019 07:15 GMT
#86
On August 31 2019 16:13 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2019 16:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 31 2019 16:09 BerserkSword wrote:
no way cure wins this

give TY a significant economical advantage in TvT and he wont lose


As long as he manages to stick to 90 workers and doesn't 'accidentally' make an extra twenty...

He's won a TvT on 112 workers before


Yeah... but nevertheless being saturated 36/16 on some of your bases is suboptimal.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 31 2019 07:16 GMT
#87
On August 31 2019 16:14 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2019 16:05 pvsnp wrote:
On August 31 2019 15:55 BerserkSword wrote:
On August 31 2019 15:50 pvsnp wrote:
On August 31 2019 15:48 BerserkSword wrote:
tempest is such a garbage unit lmfao


I always thought of Tempests and Stalkers as quintessentially Protoss units. Controlled properly they deal damage with near-impunity while opponents flail around helplessly. Miscontrolled they collapse like a house of cards.


I agree with stalkers.

But ever since the Tempest nerf (lost both its durability and a good deal of speed it gamed from its previous patch) I havent seen them really do anything at the highest level even in the hands of players like stats and neeb...except for classic's tempests rush


Tempests are definitely weaker (as expected from a nerf), but with perfect control they are just as strong as they used to be. As long as they outrange everything else they can still kite, the nerfs to speed and health just raise the control bar and punish mistakes harder.

Which I think is a good thing, personally, free damage/units/etc just aren't good design. Everything needs a drawback.


They are not as good as they used to be even with perfect control. Their current speed tier is pretty useless and doesnt make up for the massive durability nerf they got. They get caught easily now.

I think the speed tempests were broken, but i dont think the durable ones were.


The more important question is : were tempests ever entertaining to play, face or watch? No, no and no. They're perfectly fine in the dumpster.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 31 2019 07:18 GMT
#88
On August 31 2019 16:16 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2019 16:14 BerserkSword wrote:
On August 31 2019 16:05 pvsnp wrote:
On August 31 2019 15:55 BerserkSword wrote:
On August 31 2019 15:50 pvsnp wrote:
On August 31 2019 15:48 BerserkSword wrote:
tempest is such a garbage unit lmfao


I always thought of Tempests and Stalkers as quintessentially Protoss units. Controlled properly they deal damage with near-impunity while opponents flail around helplessly. Miscontrolled they collapse like a house of cards.


I agree with stalkers.

But ever since the Tempest nerf (lost both its durability and a good deal of speed it gamed from its previous patch) I havent seen them really do anything at the highest level even in the hands of players like stats and neeb...except for classic's tempests rush


Tempests are definitely weaker (as expected from a nerf), but with perfect control they are just as strong as they used to be. As long as they outrange everything else they can still kite, the nerfs to speed and health just raise the control bar and punish mistakes harder.

Which I think is a good thing, personally, free damage/units/etc just aren't good design. Everything needs a drawback.


They are not as good as they used to be even with perfect control. Their current speed tier is pretty useless and doesnt make up for the massive durability nerf they got. They get caught easily now.

I think the speed tempests were broken, but i dont think the durable ones were.


The more important question is : were tempests ever entertaining to play, face or watch? No, no and no. They're perfectly fine in the dumpster.


I was pretty entertained when Has was going for proxy shield battery tempest every PvT.
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
August 31 2019 07:20 GMT
#89
well tempests suck but you cant play PvT without them anyway
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
August 31 2019 07:20 GMT
#90
TyT boys
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
August 31 2019 07:20 GMT
#91
On August 31 2019 16:14 sneakyfox wrote:
This lack of neosteel/hisec is physically painful


Thank you TY
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
August 31 2019 07:21 GMT
#92
TyT baby!
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
August 31 2019 07:22 GMT
#93
Cure lost all his power since he dropped the glasses I feel
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
August 31 2019 07:22 GMT
#94
Well that was Cure's map pick.

But hey maybe Cure just doesn't want the grand prize of playing Dark in the next round.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-31 07:24:11
August 31 2019 07:22 GMT
#95
On August 31 2019 16:14 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2019 16:05 pvsnp wrote:
On August 31 2019 15:55 BerserkSword wrote:
On August 31 2019 15:50 pvsnp wrote:
On August 31 2019 15:48 BerserkSword wrote:
tempest is such a garbage unit lmfao


I always thought of Tempests and Stalkers as quintessentially Protoss units. Controlled properly they deal damage with near-impunity while opponents flail around helplessly. Miscontrolled they collapse like a house of cards.


I agree with stalkers.

But ever since the Tempest nerf (lost both its durability and a good deal of speed it gamed from its previous patch) I havent seen them really do anything at the highest level even in the hands of players like stats and neeb...except for classic's tempests rush


Tempests are definitely weaker (as expected from a nerf), but with perfect control they are just as strong as they used to be. As long as they outrange everything else they can still kite, the nerfs to speed and health just raise the control bar and punish mistakes harder.

Which I think is a good thing, personally, free damage/units/etc just aren't good design. Everything needs a drawback.


They are not as good as they used to be even with perfect control. Their current speed tier is pretty useless and doesnt make up for the massive durability nerf they got. They get caught easily now.

I think the speed tempests were broken, but i dont think the durable ones were.



I agree, durable Tempests were fine. But first they traded health for speed, then Blizzard decided that was OP and nerfed speed. So now they have neither. And while they are 100% weaker than when the changes started, it's not enough of a problem to justify buffing them, so they're stuck being weaker.

That's just the way that the balance cycle works.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
August 31 2019 07:24 GMT
#96
On August 31 2019 16:22 Elentos wrote:
Well that was Cure's map pick.

But hey maybe Cure just doesn't want the grand prize of playing Dark in the next round.

i think his late game TvZ is moar solid than the caster.TY s late game is pretty crap in this year
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 31 2019 07:26 GMT
#97
On August 31 2019 16:24 seemsgood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2019 16:22 Elentos wrote:
Well that was Cure's map pick.

But hey maybe Cure just doesn't want the grand prize of playing Dark in the next round.

i think his late game TvZ is moar solid than the caster.TY s late game is pretty crap in this year

It really does not matter. Neither of these 2 has a chance vs Dark in a bo5.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
August 31 2019 07:26 GMT
#98
Tmw Tasteless realizes that English is harder than Korean for TY
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
August 31 2019 07:28 GMT
#99
I really don't understand what Cure was thinking, he didn't proxy anything and still expected to get a hard contain on TY's natural? Was he just gambling that TY went triple CC or something?
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
August 31 2019 07:29 GMT
#100
Caster TY > Jin Air coaching
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