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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15918 Posts
July 14 2019 19:38 GMT
#1021
On July 15 2019 04:37 Penev wrote:
I'm hoping for a BL/ Infestor mirror that shit was hilarious in the past

sadly BLs aren't a thing in a matchup where Abduct exists
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 14 2019 19:39 GMT
#1022
On July 15 2019 04:38 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 04:37 Penev wrote:
I'm hoping for a BL/ Infestor mirror that shit was hilarious in the past

sadly BLs aren't a thing in a matchup where Abduct exists


Thankfully BLs aren't a thing in a matchup where abduct exists.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
July 14 2019 19:39 GMT
#1023
On July 15 2019 04:38 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 04:37 Penev wrote:
I'm hoping for a BL/ Infestor mirror that shit was hilarious in the past

Viper hard counters brood lords now

ah.. we need frenzy on BL's back
I Protoss winner, could it be?
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
July 14 2019 19:39 GMT
#1024
On July 15 2019 04:38 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 04:37 Penev wrote:
I'm hoping for a BL/ Infestor mirror that shit was hilarious in the past

Viper hard counters brood lords now

Clearly protoss needs vipers!
Goolpsy
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark301 Posts
July 14 2019 19:40 GMT
#1025
I think it's ideal for a matchup to go to Midgame. (in some way)
This leaves possibility for a long game
and many options for rushses and earlygame skirmishes.

ZvZ lasting long enough to reaching midgame is almost as amazing and rare as TvT's reaching Full air armies, Raven battlecruiser
or PvP reaching ultimate army clashes.

The crux of the .. problem is, that most ZvZ's are pretty low econ, low tech and the prediction of who is ahead/winning is apparent pretty early on.

(PvP currently, suffers from much of the same problems)
rasi86
Profile Joined July 2019
44 Posts
July 14 2019 19:40 GMT
#1026
On July 15 2019 04:33 fastr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 04:30 rasi86 wrote:
Viewer count dropped from ~33k to 26k after the semis. ZvZ sucks badly, but Zerg is too strong... so we'll see lot of ZvZ finals if nerf's not coming


It should be pretty obvious at this point that we're not seeing ZvZ finals because zerg is OP but because Serral and Reynor are. Look at Korea, there's Dark and then it's a wasteland.


but actually Z wins all the time and is, except for one tournament in 2019, dominating in korea aswell as in circuit. so if ppl complain about toss being Op due to one exception, where p was dominating... where's the massive complaining about zerg?

infestors are way too strong, z lategame overall the same. toss only has some timing pushes that are strong.
Zerg is OP as hell. Blizzard, stop nerfing Toss!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 14 2019 19:42 GMT
#1027
On July 15 2019 04:40 Goolpsy wrote:
I think it's ideal for a matchup to go to Midgame. (in some way)
This leaves possibility for a long game
and many options for rushses and earlygame skirmishes.

ZvZ lasting long enough to reaching midgame is almost as amazing and rare as TvT's reaching Full air armies, Raven battlecruiser
or PvP reaching ultimate army clashes.

The crux of the .. problem is, that most ZvZ's are pretty low econ, low tech and the prediction of who is ahead/winning is apparent pretty early on.

(PvP currently, suffers from much of the same problems)

I very much more enjoyed endless ling/bane ZvZs than the current meta of sitting at home and afk teching while moving roach ball base to base
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 14 2019 19:47 GMT
#1028
On July 15 2019 04:40 rasi86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 04:33 fastr wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:30 rasi86 wrote:
Viewer count dropped from ~33k to 26k after the semis. ZvZ sucks badly, but Zerg is too strong... so we'll see lot of ZvZ finals if nerf's not coming


It should be pretty obvious at this point that we're not seeing ZvZ finals because zerg is OP but because Serral and Reynor are. Look at Korea, there's Dark and then it's a wasteland.


but actually Z wins all the time and is, except for one tournament in 2019, dominating in korea aswell as in circuit. so if ppl complain about toss being Op due to one exception, where p was dominating... where's the massive complaining about zerg?

infestors are way too strong, z lategame overall the same. toss only has some timing pushes that are strong.


Did you just balance whine in 7 out of 7 posts? You want to set a new record?
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 14 2019 19:47 GMT
#1029
Stop hyping this up Maynarde, Serral is 60 supply up.
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
July 14 2019 19:47 GMT
#1030
ROACH ROACH ROACH

nydus
I Protoss winner, could it be?
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 19:48:06
July 14 2019 19:47 GMT
#1031
Nerf nydus, ruining the best mirror
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
265 Posts
July 14 2019 19:47 GMT
#1032
On July 15 2019 04:34 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 04:27 Noa Greenini wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:15 JoeCool wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:09 showstealer1829 wrote:
Like I said. 9 hours of wasting everyone's time


I remember that we had a couple of discussions on this board why we didn't have someone in SC 2 who is/was as dominant as Flash in SC:BW. Now that we have someone who has been dominating since 1.5 years, people are (already) bored by the repeating outcome.
I get that Serral could/should play in Korea but just imagine he was as dominant in Korea as he is in Europe. We'd probably have people complaining again about having the same outcome over and over again.

I didn't see people complaining about Maru winning 4 GSL in a row and WESG.
Serral is just dominating the B league which isn't as impressive


Yes :-) the B-leauge

And of course: the world championship!

winning 1 tournament (or to with GSL vs the world) = dominating the scene. Gotcha!


You're right, thank you for catching me. What Serral had done isn't impressive! Gotcha!

You have such an eye for these things, giving deep and fair thought to all your statements. You're very CHAIRitable I'd say xD

Jk, 2/10
Noa Greenini looks like the superior LR poster - Charoisaur 04/05/2019 (Serral vs Showtime match)
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
July 14 2019 19:47 GMT
#1033
zvz silly games
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
MoDiV
Profile Joined July 2019
United States90 Posts
July 14 2019 19:48 GMT
#1034
need to nerf Serral
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
July 14 2019 19:48 GMT
#1035
On July 15 2019 04:47 Noa Greenini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 04:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:27 Noa Greenini wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:15 JoeCool wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:09 showstealer1829 wrote:
Like I said. 9 hours of wasting everyone's time


I remember that we had a couple of discussions on this board why we didn't have someone in SC 2 who is/was as dominant as Flash in SC:BW. Now that we have someone who has been dominating since 1.5 years, people are (already) bored by the repeating outcome.
I get that Serral could/should play in Korea but just imagine he was as dominant in Korea as he is in Europe. We'd probably have people complaining again about having the same outcome over and over again.

I didn't see people complaining about Maru winning 4 GSL in a row and WESG.
Serral is just dominating the B league which isn't as impressive


Yes :-) the B-leauge

And of course: the world championship!

winning 1 tournament (or to with GSL vs the world) = dominating the scene. Gotcha!


You're right, thank you for catching me. What Serral had done isn't impressive! Gotcha!

You have such an eye for these things, giving deep and fair thought to all your statements. You're very CHAIRitable I'd say xD

Jk, 2/10

interesting straw manning contest you guys got there
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Goolpsy
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark301 Posts
July 14 2019 19:48 GMT
#1036
On July 15 2019 04:42 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 04:40 Goolpsy wrote:
I think it's ideal for a matchup to go to Midgame. (in some way)
This leaves possibility for a long game
and many options for rushses and earlygame skirmishes.

ZvZ lasting long enough to reaching midgame is almost as amazing and rare as TvT's reaching Full air armies, Raven battlecruiser
or PvP reaching ultimate army clashes.

The crux of the .. problem is, that most ZvZ's are pretty low econ, low tech and the prediction of who is ahead/winning is apparent pretty early on.

(PvP currently, suffers from much of the same problems)

I very much more enjoyed endless ling/bane ZvZs than the current meta of sitting at home and afk teching while moving roach ball base to base


I agree. Balance-wise roaches are fine I guess.

But they are by far the most boring unit - in all match-ups designwise.
Their existence forces unfortunate playstyles and game choices
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
July 14 2019 19:50 GMT
#1037
Roaches are interesting when soO uses them.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 14 2019 19:51 GMT
#1038
On July 15 2019 04:48 Goolpsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 04:42 Ej_ wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:40 Goolpsy wrote:
I think it's ideal for a matchup to go to Midgame. (in some way)
This leaves possibility for a long game
and many options for rushses and earlygame skirmishes.

ZvZ lasting long enough to reaching midgame is almost as amazing and rare as TvT's reaching Full air armies, Raven battlecruiser
or PvP reaching ultimate army clashes.

The crux of the .. problem is, that most ZvZ's are pretty low econ, low tech and the prediction of who is ahead/winning is apparent pretty early on.

(PvP currently, suffers from much of the same problems)

I very much more enjoyed endless ling/bane ZvZs than the current meta of sitting at home and afk teching while moving roach ball base to base


I agree. Balance-wise roaches are fine I guess.

But they are by far the most boring unit - in all match-ups designwise.
Their existence forces unfortunate playstyles and game choices


Shocking that roaches aren't ruining ZvZ balance.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15918 Posts
July 14 2019 19:52 GMT
#1039
On July 15 2019 04:47 Noa Greenini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 04:34 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:27 Noa Greenini wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:15 JoeCool wrote:
On July 15 2019 04:09 showstealer1829 wrote:
Like I said. 9 hours of wasting everyone's time


I remember that we had a couple of discussions on this board why we didn't have someone in SC 2 who is/was as dominant as Flash in SC:BW. Now that we have someone who has been dominating since 1.5 years, people are (already) bored by the repeating outcome.
I get that Serral could/should play in Korea but just imagine he was as dominant in Korea as he is in Europe. We'd probably have people complaining again about having the same outcome over and over again.

I didn't see people complaining about Maru winning 4 GSL in a row and WESG.
Serral is just dominating the B league which isn't as impressive


Yes :-) the B-leauge

And of course: the world championship!

winning 1 tournament (or to with GSL vs the world) = dominating the scene. Gotcha!


You're right, thank you for catching me. What Serral had done isn't impressive! Gotcha!

You have such an eye for these things, giving deep and fair thought to all your statements. You're very CHAIRitable I'd say xD

Jk, 2/10

can you read? I said "not as" impressive (as dominating the hardest region)
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
July 14 2019 19:53 GMT
#1040
Serral SCARED of the macro game
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
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