On July 15 2019 04:17 Elentos wrote: Everyone who opened the WCS stream today not expecting ZvZ finals is lying.
Yes there was a big possiblity but I also think Heromarine beating Reynor and making it a TvZ was a decent possiblity as well and so was Neeb winning against Serral.
Oh please. Elazer and Reynor are in two different leagues now when it comes to TvZ. Using his results vs an Elazer that looks lost in the match up is just asking to be disappointed.
Never for a minute did I think Reynor was going to lose that series, especially after such a thorough thrashing of a much better TvZ player in Special.
You realize Reynor lost 0-3 the last time he played Heromarine and TvZ is the match-up that most consistently fucks over SpeCial in WCS?
On July 15 2019 04:17 Elentos wrote: Everyone who opened the WCS stream today not expecting ZvZ finals is lying.
Yes there was a big possiblity but I also think Heromarine beating Reynor and making it a TvZ was a decent possiblity as well and so was Neeb winning against Serral.
Oh please. Elazer and Reynor are in two different leagues now when it comes to TvZ. Using his results vs an Elazer that looks lost in the match up is just asking to be disappointed.
Never for a minute did I think Reynor was going to lose that series, especially after such a thorough thrashing of a much better TvZ player in Special.
You realize Reynor lost 0-3 the last time he played Heromarine and TvZ is the match-up that most consistently fucks over SpeCial in WCS?
And yet this tournament went the way it did. Clearly there's some truth somewhere in my post even if you disagree with most of it.
Reynor's win over Special and HeroMarine weren't flukes, he clearly outplayed them. And Special has proven to me on more than one occasion that his TvZ is good enough to run with the Koreans in GSL and at Blizzcon, how he plays in the match up from tournament to tournament is dependent on his form which is far from consistent I'll be the first to tell you.
On July 15 2019 04:17 Elentos wrote: Everyone who opened the WCS stream today not expecting ZvZ finals is lying.
Yes there was a big possiblity but I also think Heromarine beating Reynor and making it a TvZ was a decent possiblity as well and so was Neeb winning against Serral.
Oh please. Elazer and Reynor are in two different leagues now when it comes to TvZ. Using his results vs an Elazer that looks lost in the match up is just asking to be disappointed.
Never for a minute did I think Reynor was going to lose that series, especially after such a thorough thrashing of a much better TvZ player in Special.
TvZ is Specials worst matchup. Heromarine is a lot stronger there...
On July 15 2019 04:09 showstealer1829 wrote: Like I said. 9 hours of wasting everyone's time
I remember that we had a couple of discussions on this board why we didn't have someone in SC 2 who is/was as dominant as Flash in SC:BW. Now that we have someone who has been dominating since 1.5 years, people are (already) bored by the repeating outcome. I get that Serral could/should play in Korea but just imagine he was as dominant in Korea as he is in Europe. We'd probably have people complaining again about having the same outcome over and over again.
I didn't see people complaining about Maru winning 4 GSL in a row and WESG. Serral is just dominating the B league which isn't as impressive
On July 15 2019 04:17 Elentos wrote: Everyone who opened the WCS stream today not expecting ZvZ finals is lying.
Yes there was a big possiblity but I also think Heromarine beating Reynor and making it a TvZ was a decent possiblity as well and so was Neeb winning against Serral.
Reynor vs Serral is a more interesting finals than Heromarine vs Serral at least.
Serral is 31-10 vs HM and 27-12 vs Reynor. Big gabe can definitely cause problems to Serral on a good day. I'd rather see a 4-1 TvZ final than a 4-3 TvZ but that's just me.
On July 15 2019 04:30 rasi86 wrote: Viewer count dropped from ~33k to 26k after the semis. ZvZ sucks badly, but Zerg is too strong... so we'll see lot of ZvZ finals if nerf's not coming
It should be pretty obvious at this point that we're not seeing ZvZ finals because zerg is OP but because Serral and Reynor are. Look at Korea, there's Dark and then it's a wasteland.
On July 15 2019 04:09 showstealer1829 wrote: Like I said. 9 hours of wasting everyone's time
I remember that we had a couple of discussions on this board why we didn't have someone in SC 2 who is/was as dominant as Flash in SC:BW. Now that we have someone who has been dominating since 1.5 years, people are (already) bored by the repeating outcome. I get that Serral could/should play in Korea but just imagine he was as dominant in Korea as he is in Europe. We'd probably have people complaining again about having the same outcome over and over again.
I didn't see people complaining about Maru winning 4 GSL in a row and WESG. Serral is just dominating the B league which isn't as impressive
Yes :-) the B-leauge
And of course: the world championship!
winning 1 tournament (or to with GSL vs the world) = dominating the scene. Gotcha!
On July 15 2019 04:30 rasi86 wrote: Viewer count dropped from ~33k to 26k after the semis. ZvZ sucks badly, but Zerg is too strong... so we'll see lot of ZvZ finals if nerf's not coming
It should be pretty obvious at this point that we're not seeing ZvZ finals because zerg is OP but because Serral and Reynor are. Look at Korea, there's Dark and then it's a wasteland.
I feel like Soo, Rogue and Ragnarok are pretty good as well. Not Dark level but pretty darn good!
On July 15 2019 04:30 rasi86 wrote: Viewer count dropped from ~33k to 26k after the semis. ZvZ sucks badly, but Zerg is too strong... so we'll see lot of ZvZ finals if nerf's not coming
Maaaybe also because there's a 10+ min break and people don't watch the stream during a break? I do think people hating on ZvZ will not help, although I find the matchup interesting since it's unforgiving (when to drone) and often a multitasking battle.
On July 15 2019 04:30 rasi86 wrote: Viewer count dropped from ~33k to 26k after the semis. ZvZ sucks badly, but Zerg is too strong... so we'll see lot of ZvZ finals if nerf's not coming
It should be pretty obvious at this point that we're not seeing ZvZ finals because zerg is OP but because Serral and Reynor are. Look at Korea, there's Dark and then it's a wasteland.
I feel like Soo, Rogue and Ragnarok are pretty good as well. Not Dark level but pretty darn good!
soO is held back by the fact that he has no capacity for late game. And Rogue hasn't really been playing well ever since he lost in the GSL Ro8 for the umpteenth time.
EPT
