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March 16 2019 15:00 HKT
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WESG SC2 Stage | WESG Main Stage
TakeTV | 
O'Gaming | 
PsinsinCasters: RotterDam, Wardi, Rapid, Lowko
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Semifinals
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Serral vs Scarlett![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1850.jpg)
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Maru vs INnoVation![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/L6Pww.png)
World Electronic Sports Games 2018WESG 2018 Grand Final - Semifinals
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
March 16 2019 15:00 HKT WESG SC2 Stage | WESG Main Stage TakeTV | O'Gaming | PsinsinCasters: RotterDam, Wardi, Rapid, Lowko Semifinals Serral vs Scarlett Maru vs INnoVationWorld Electronic Sports Games 2018 | ||
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droppanda
Australia176 Posts
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On March 15 2019 14:35 droppanda wrote: Amazing semi finals, everyone has a shot at at advancing, cannot predict! Maru and Serral do not meet. That's the prediction. Great games regardless =) | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Also, I'd laugh my ass off if Maru and Serral manage to dodge each other yet again. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Serral 2-3 ScarlettMaru 1-3 INnoVationSerral 3-2 Maru | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Serral 3-2 ScarlettMaru 3-1 BogusScarlett 2-3 Bogus | ||
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Zambrah
United States7298 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 15 2019 16:21 Zambrah wrote: I'll be upset if Serral doesn't 3-0 Maru I guess you'll be upset then | ||
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Zambrah
United States7298 Posts
If I go in with high expectations and brace myself to see them shattered then my high expectations will be met, it's like cosmic reverse psychology | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
Serral 3-0 Scarlett (can go either way but come on Serral, I wanna see a clean win for once)Maru 1-3 INnoVationScarlett 2-3 Maru | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 15 2019 16:38 Zambrah wrote: If I go in with high expectations and brace myself to see them shattered then my high expectations will be met, it's like cosmic reverse psychology Considering the finals are Bo7, this means you want both Serral and Maru to lose and meet in the 3rd place match, whereupon Serral beats Maru 3-0? Oddly specific expectation you got there. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Will Scarlett eat another legendary nuke?  | ||
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
On March 15 2019 17:56 sneakyfox wrote: https://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/1106427095096266753 Will Scarlett eat another legendary nuke? IIRC she played some ladder streams with the Chinese client because the resources numbers were larger and she often plays in Chinese tournaments... so I think she might be able to recognize the Chinese announcer. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On March 15 2019 17:56 sneakyfox wrote: https://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/1106427095096266753 Will Scarlett eat another legendary nuke? Wtf so thats why the terrans all of a sudden started using nukes. Even Maru did in his TvP vs Neeb, for once I really feel for Neeb, he looked really dejected after Maru won that long lategame with nukes. That must suck so hard, to practise a ton and then have this kind of stupid weakness used against you. So even if we get Maru vs Serral it won't be a true showdown -_- **** it | ||
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 15 2019 18:23 Shuffleblade wrote: Wtf so thats why the terrans all of a sudden started using nukes. Even Maru did in his TvP vs Neeb, for once I really feel for Neeb, he looked really dejected after Maru won that long lategame with nukes. That must suck so hard, to practise a ton and then have this kind of stupid weakness used against you. So even if we get Maru vs Serral it won't be a true showdown -_- **** it Did you miss Katowice where Inno was spamming nukes all over the map against Serral? IEM wasn't on the Chinese server. Nukes are hardly a new thing for lategame Terrans. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On March 15 2019 18:23 Shuffleblade wrote: Wtf so thats why the terrans all of a sudden started using nukes. Even Maru did in his TvP vs Neeb, for once I really feel for Neeb, he looked really dejected after Maru won that long lategame with nukes. That must suck so hard, to practise a ton and then have this kind of stupid weakness used against you. Harassing with nukes is at any rate easier and probably better than regular medivac drop harass, if you have the money to afford it. You commit much less supply by sending just one unit, and you can queue up the entire sequence (including returning the Ghost) at once so you don't have to multitask, and then you go handle your main army. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 15 2019 17:56 sneakyfox wrote: https://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/1106427095096266753 Will Scarlett eat another legendary nuke? Oh the nostalgia | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On March 15 2019 18:47 pvsnp wrote: Did you miss Katowice where Inno was spamming nukes all over the map against Serral? IEM wasn't on the Chinese server. Nukes are hardly a new thing for lategame Terrans. Thats true, was mostly thinking of TvP where nukes is usually never used. | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On March 15 2019 17:56 sneakyfox wrote: https://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/1106427095096266753 Will Scarlett eat another legendary nuke? Who is Miko? | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Elazer | ||
Poopi
France12885 Posts
Hopefully it gets fixed for the finals yeah. Kinda excited for tomorrow but I don't have my daily dose of starcraft at work so this is gonna be a long day | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 15 2019 18:55 Shuffleblade wrote: Thats true, was mostly thinking of TvP where nukes is usually never used. That's because not many games make it that far, TvP midgame is considered as favored for Protoss while lategame TvP is condered as favored for Terran, so Terrans are trying to dodge the midgame(proxy meta) or go there with heavy advantage and Protoss tries to end the game in the midgame. Maru was using the nukes in the lategame TvP before(e.g. Classic v Maru) | ||
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States764 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
(Z) Serral 3-2 (Z)Scarlett(T) Maru 1-3 (T)INnoVation(Z) Scarlett 0-3 (T)MaruHeart:(Z) Serral 2-3 (Z)Scarlett(T) Maru 3:2 (T)INnoVation(Z) Serral 0-3 (T)INnoVation | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
This might happen only if both Maru and Serral lose their semis, the grand final is bo7. You will most likely be upset! | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
On March 15 2019 19:25 Poopi wrote: Why would they use the chinese sound ingame I don't get it? Hopefully it gets fixed for the finals yeah. Kinda excited for tomorrow but I don't have my daily dose of starcraft at work so this is gonna be a long day The Chinese version of SC2 and Bnet clients only support Chinese language, however it's definitely possible to use standard version clients in China so I guess it's just another (huge) oversight by the organisers. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7298 Posts
On March 15 2019 17:39 pvsnp wrote: Considering the finals are Bo7, this means you want both Serral and Maru to lose and meet in the 3rd place match, whereupon Serral beats Maru 3-0? Oddly specific expectation you got there. Look, I could either research what the finals Best Of was going to be, or I could make an inflammatory Maru vs. Serral post to get our blood flowing! I made my choice.  Serral numbah one. | ||
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Devin1
14 Posts
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
On March 15 2019 21:35 Devin1 wrote: Please let Rotti and Lowko cast all these games. Yeah, it would be nice. Everything but a poker-face Wardi. Yesterday his last casting was depressing, watching RAPiD trying to cheer up the stream and memeing, and Wardi just lying there and spioiling the fun, it was hard to watch... You don't have to be super in sync with your co-caster, but jesus christ, make an effort... And It surprised me because he seemed to have fun with Rotti or Lowko, and he does a good job in all his Invitationals and Kung fu cups... maybe yesterday it wasn't his day or the terrible production was getting him down or something. | ||
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Poopi
France12885 Posts
Serral 3-2 ScarlettINnoVation 2-3 MaruINnoVation 3-0 Scarlett | ||
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GoloSC2
710 Posts
On March 15 2019 21:35 Devin1 wrote: Please let Rotti and Lowko cast all these games. too lazy to look for the tweet, but i recall lowko tweeting about leaving kiev and that the rest of the tourney will be cast by rotti and wardi | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
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Poopi
France12885 Posts
On March 16 2019 01:19 digmouse wrote: To clarify, due to the nature of Chinese server, player have to use specifically prepared accounts that are granted the ability to change game client language, but there weren't enough accounts prepared in time. The issue has been solved for RO4 and on. It's in times like this that you remember SC2 has no LAN mode | ||
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Devin1
14 Posts
On March 15 2019 17:56 sneakyfox wrote: https://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/1106427095096266753 Will Scarlett eat another legendary nuke? Lambo is a whining kid. He cannot admit that he's not on the same level with top Korean players | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
Serral 3-0 or 3-1 imo. | ||
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
On March 16 2019 03:32 DieuCure wrote: I dont see how Scarlett vs Serral could be close. Serral 3-0 or 3-1 imo. Basically last year in both 3-2s, Serral was playing better than he is now, and Scarlett was playing worse than she is rn. Having said that: close series for Serral > stomp by Serral > Close series for Scarlett. Thats the most probable to less probable outcomes for me. | ||
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easyway6
8 Posts
Semi's gonna be hard for both parties. GL HF. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On March 16 2019 08:50 Proko wrote: Have high hopes for this. GL to our foreign heroes. Indeed. There are a ton of cool possibilities...I think Inno has a 50% chance of winning and Maru/Serral have a 25% each. Unfortunately I feel like even if Scarlett wins her semi match she stands little to no chance against either Inno or Maru. Chances of advancing (semi/grand finals) Serral: decent / low Scarlett: slightly less than decent / almost none Inno: good / good Maru: low / good | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 16 2019 09:38 mierin wrote: Indeed. There are a ton of cool possibilities...I think Inno has a 50% chance of winning and Maru/Serral have a 25% each. Unfortunately I feel like even if Scarlett wins her semi match she stands little to no chance against either Inno or Maru. Chances of advancing (semi/grand finals) Serral: decent / low Scarlett: slightly less than decent / almost none Inno: good / good Maru: low / good Serral vs Scarlett means that one of the two has to have a good chance of advancing | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On March 16 2019 10:49 Zzoram wrote: TvZ finals TvZ 3rd place, fans win Whichever of those TvZs features Scarlett is almost certainly going to be a bop, so the fact that it is TvZ doesn't add much. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 16 2019 11:58 Boggyb wrote: Whichever of those TvZs features Scarlett is almost certainly going to be a bop, so the fact that it is TvZ doesn't add much. It's funny how some players like Scarlett or Maru look really bad whenever they lose, whereas others like Serral or TY manage to look good even when they lose. INno can be either I guess. Well, a loss is a loss regardless of how you look, but it's still interesting from a viewer's perspective. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 16 2019 12:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's funny how some players like Scarlett or Maru look really bad whenever they lose, whereas others like Serral or TY manage to look good even when they lose. INno can be either I guess. Well, a loss is a loss regardless of how you look, but it's still interesting from a viewer's perspective. And then there's Patience, who looks terrible but still wins. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 16 2019 13:10 pvsnp wrote: And then there's Patience, who looks terrible but still wins. Yeah. Patience, TRUE and a few others have mastered the trick of looking bad, but making their opponent look even worse. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
Serral 3-1 ScarlettINnoVation 3-2 Maru (I think this is an insanely tough match to call)Serral 4-3 INnoVationMaru 3-0 Scarlett | ||
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Soke
United States790 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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thickertom
China612 Posts
The semifinals of SC2 will begin. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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agsub
Singapore368 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:01 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: This will be an epic ZvZ Will it tho | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Yeah | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
It has the opening ceremony right after Maru vs Inno, then some other match from another game. And no 3rd place match. | ||
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thickertom
China612 Posts
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thickertom
China612 Posts
Courage (Nostalie) and XiGua, both famous Zerg players in Mainland, China. | ||
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Zetter
Germany629 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
And that high ground behind the third on Cyber Forest is real obnoxious. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Zetter
Germany629 Posts
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
http://www.huya.com/wesg4 | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:34 BerserkSword wrote: man ZvZ is by far the most boring mirror yeah no, game 1 was fun and ZvZ is the best mirror | ||
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:34 BerserkSword wrote: man ZvZ is by far the most boring mirror No why, they even made some ravagers last game. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:34 BerserkSword wrote: man ZvZ is by far the most boring mirror nah, PvP is the worst matchup to watch imo. even TvT used to be better than it is now. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:34 BerserkSword wrote: man ZvZ is by far the most boring mirror PvP took that title awhile ago | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:37 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: No games sounds unfortunately, but I like the use of picture-in-picture by the WESG production crew. Didn't even notice until you mentioned it. But yeah ling/bane fights especially feel a bit different without sound. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:35 Fran_ wrote: No why, they even made some ravagers last game. the army interactions are just boring imo from a mechanical standpoint, it's jaw dropping though for me it's TvT > PvP > ZvZ PvP is a nightmare to play though | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:40 BerserkSword wrote: the army interactions are just boring imo from a mechanical standpoint, it's jaw dropping though for me it's TvT > PvP > ZvZ PvP is a nightmare to play though Usually people complain about playing TvT. | ||
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
First person view of Scarlett: https://www.huya.com/wesg4 Both with eye tracking overlay, pretty cool. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Usually people complain about playing TvT. Basically ling/bane the entire game, except the banes have 13 range | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Usually people complain about playing TvT. well no mirror is fun to play for most people i'm a terran player who used to main protoss, and i like TvT a lot more than PvP. less cheese and defenders advantage still exists | ||
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
neeb is the only one who can come close | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:42 digmouse wrote: First person view of Serral: https://www.huya.com/wesg5 First person view of Scarlett: https://www.huya.com/wesg4 Both with eye tracking overlay, pretty cool. Thanks. Watching game 3 from Serral's perspective right now. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
But hey, if it works it works. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:55 pvsnp wrote: Tbf I try to avoid watching most ZvZ. Missing out | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Not today | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:58 Aocowns wrote: Are there any other broadcasted games with this ling into lurker style? she used to do that against protoss players back in the day never seen it zvz tho. i dont play zerg but it seems way too risky to be used regularly | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It felt like Serral just decided to go for this build, and didn't react to his opponent much which is quite unlike him. He thought it would be the mutalisk transition which 100% dies to the nydus. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It felt like Serral just decided to go for this build, and didn't react to his opponent much which is quite unlike him. He wanted another ZvZ on Year Zero | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:59 Ej_ wrote: He thought it would be the mutalisk transition which 100% dies to the nydus. Indeed, although he should have known something is wrong when he saw the hydras with his overseer. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 16 2019 16:59 Ej_ wrote: He thought it would be the mutalisk transition which 100% dies to the nydus. Is a muta transition even that good at that timing after the hydras? | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:01 HolydaKing wrote: Indeed, although he should have known something is wrong when he saw the hydras with his overseer. That's true, but it looked like he thought it was the best thing to do in this scenario anyway, and theoretically it makes sense given how greedy Scarlett played. He didn't scout the lurker den timing so i think he was just hoping he would hit before lurkers and turns out he hit a complete anti-timing but it makes strategic sense. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Is a muta transition even that good at that timing after the hydras? Im pretty sure he decided to nydus before the hydras, its a standard followup to 1/1 and he had the queen production started early. Theres really no way to utilize the queens outaide a nydus build so I think he went for the most optimal play there, which is going and crossing fingers the lurkers are out of position It couldve worked too if he had landed a nydus in the main | ||
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Durnuu
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Alright Maru, you have one job... Lose the series and win me my money | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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LennX
4553 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Corruptors are garbage is you're anyone but Dark And even in that one game where Dark went corruptors against Serral, he still lost. | ||
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agsub
Singapore368 Posts
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Well Serral did his part, let's go Maru! | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:11 blunderfulguy wrote: Well, gotta say I'm actually getting really tired of seeing Roach vs Roach but GG... Game 3 was sweet though! that's ZvZ for you insane mechanics involved, but boring af to watch | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:12 Schelim wrote: i hope Inno (or even Maru) busts out some mech Probably Inno and probably yes | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:12 Schelim wrote: i hope Inno (or even Maru) busts out some mech i think inno will bust out liberator thor | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:11 BerserkSword wrote: that's ZvZ for you insane mechanics involved, but boring af to watch Speak for yourself. I enjoy it | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
They hate what they don't understand. | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
I love ZvZ most of the time, it's just that Roaches snowball even when the numbers are close and Serral just does the same thing with them over and over and over. It just isn't hype anymore. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:15 blunderfulguy wrote: I love ZvZ most of the time, it's just that Roaches snowball even when the numbers are close and Serral just does the same thing with them over and over and over. It just isn't hype anymore. they just cant stahp making roaches... | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
It's a pretty good unit. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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whion1
9 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
she hasnt looked that strong recently. She bullies the foreigners (obviously not serral) but that's about it | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:22 Pandain wrote: Good luck Scarlett. You will need it against Maru or innovation Considering she got to the GSL RO8 on the wings of droplords(kinda) I can see her getting to the 3rd place in the nydus Let's see(well, I won't I will be on my way xD) | ||
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SeigeTanks4TheWin
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
BO GUS! | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
pls maru win this, so we can get the dream finals, and win WESG so we can taste the tears of dave | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:34 pvsnp wrote: Think Inno couldn't drop his CC for some reason, he was floating > 500 minerals this pause is just an bogus for bogus himself to double expand and catch maru off guard | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:36 fishjie wrote: pause?!!?!?111 INNO trying to meta game maru by pausing and throwing maru off his game???? pls maru win this, so we can get the dream finals, and win WESG so we can taste the tears of dave Inno's minerals were at like 500 when he pp'd, there clearly is some issue | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:36 deacon.frost wrote: So I was hoping to see a game or two, but no, Inno sees no rax, so he asks for a pause to ask referees how many proxy buildings are allowed "5 shouldn't be allowed right?" | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
线路 There are two options (characters i can't copy paste) 3 (characters i can't copy paste) 5 | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On March 16 2019 17:41 RaFox17 wrote: Both Maru and Inno are too scared of Serral to continue "Wait, I have to play WHO if I win? Ref, I need some time to process this, PP please" -Inno, maybe | ||
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terrencetee90
4 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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On March 16 2019 17:43 Doko wrote: What is this option on the chinese stream? 线路 There are two options (characters i can't copy paste) 3 (characters i can't copy paste) 5 In fact there's no real meaning of it.If you lag,you can choose another one. | ||
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nothing inno coudl do | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:51 pvsnp wrote: That one game was better than the entire Serral vs Scarlett series I liked game 1 of that series better. Rest however was meh. | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:50 FBTsingLoong wrote: In fact there's no real meaning of it.If you lag,you can choose another one. thanks | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:51 BerserkSword wrote: maru had a liberator and a raven shutting down inno's econ nothing inno coudl do Pull his scvs? | ||
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pull scv = econ shut down lol | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:52 fastr wrote: There is no way to justify that gg timing. Trading his army he would be slightly behind at worst. Idra must be smiling somewhere Most of his army dead and down an orbital is more than slightly behind. | ||
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maru was shutting down inno's whole economy with just two units nothing inno could do | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:52 fastr wrote: There is no way to justify that gg timing. Trading his army he would be slightly behind at worst. Idra must be smiling somewhere Slightly behind? Innovation was extremely behind at best, his army was the only thing keeping him in the game and then he lost it. Down an entire CC and like 15 workers, he managed to fix the worker deficit but then he lost his army advantage, still no CC and he had his own economy being harassed to death by just a few units that did so much damage. | ||
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Check the vod, when Inno gg out he's at 30 against 31 workers and 40 against 37 army. Maru's liberator isn't killing scv and Inno has 2 fresh liberators in his base to kill maru's libs. This tap out was ridiculous but I guess people will justify any decision from their favorite player (I like them both and I don't care who advances) | ||
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Thought you might want to know. | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:59 fastr wrote: Check the vod, when Inno gg out he's at 30 against 31 workers and 40 against 37 army. Maru's liberator isn't killing scv and Inno has 2 fresh liberators in his base to kill maru's libs. This tap out was ridiculous but I guess people will justify any decision from their favorite player (I like them both and I don't care who advances) He's at 30 workers to 31 down an orbital and in the process of losing his army in Maru's main. If the game goes on Inno will just fall further and further behind, he won't manage to stay even. And he's played enough games to know. | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:59 fastr wrote: Check the vod, when Inno gg out he's at 30 against 31 workers and 40 against 37 army. Maru's liberator isn't killing scv and Inno has 2 fresh liberators in his base to kill maru's libs. This tap out was ridiculous but I guess people will justify any decision from their favorite player (I like them both and I don't care who advances) Maybe if you actually watched the game instead of looking at the numbers, you'd realise how far behind Innovation was. | ||
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On March 16 2019 17:59 fastr wrote: Check the vod, when Inno gg out he's at 30 against 31 workers and 40 against 37 army. Maru's liberator isn't killing scv and Inno has 2 fresh liberators in his base to kill maru's libs. This tap out was ridiculous but I guess people will justify any decision from their favorite player (I like them both and I don't care who advances) maru is not my favorite player lmao. in fact, i like TY and inno better than maru when it comes to terran players inno was way behind and that's why he tapped out | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:05 seemsgood wrote: tvt is undoubly maru's weakest match up It's not even very weak either. | ||
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Edit: Wuu, Inno! | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:05 fastr wrote: I guess Mvp should have just taped out against Tefel when he had 6 scvs to 40 drones. Did you just compare Maru to fucking Tefel? | ||
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HolydaKing
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Seems fine, don't you agree? | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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Also, Innovation proxying here is quite ironic. User was warned for this post. | ||
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RaFox17
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Maru does not have ultras-to-loose mechanics | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:07 RaFox17 wrote: Maru does not have ultras-to-loose mechanics it's because ultra was the only balanced t3 zerg got | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:07 blooblooblahblah wrote: fastr looks dumber and dumber every post. Also, Innovation proxying here is quite ironic. Ad hominem when out of arguments, never change TL forums. I'm not arguing Inno wasn't behind, I'm just saying in the first game of a premier tournament semi-final, you give yourself the best chance to win. Maybe Inno had a 5% chance of coming back, that still beats the 0% that gging out gives. I'm done talking about this. | ||
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Inno 2-1 | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:15 seemsgood wrote: SCVs:what ? you out of marine bogus ??? best melee unit in the Terran army | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:11 fastr wrote: Ad hominem when out of arguments, never change TL forums. I'm not arguing Inno wasn't behind, I'm just saying in the first game of a premier tournament semi-final, you give yourself the best chance to win. Maybe Inno had a 5% chance of coming back, that still beats the 0% that gging out gives. I'm done talking about this. You're backtracking. Your initial posts implied that you thought they were fairly even, which they clearly weren't. Then you said maybe he was slightly behind at worst, again clearly wrong. No shit you always have a "chance" of winning until you gg, but there is a threshold where it is essentially unnecessary. Innovation reached that threshold and instantly gg'd which made it look sudden and "early", but he literally had no advantage in that position that would make it worth playing out. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:17 Fango wrote: Maru 100% proxying in this game Inno too for a double proxy game. I'm calling it. Or maybe he'll be the boring machine and just scout it | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:17 Fango wrote: Maru 100% proxying in this game Oh without question | ||
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Tbh, I don't even mind it cos so far he hasn't looked good in these normal games. | ||
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I think Maru would be the favorite, he seems really strong in every stage of zvt while serral was lost in late game at katowice. | ||
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Maru not worthy of being Serral's rival confirmed. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:19 stilt wrote: Would be nice to have a maru vs serral final I think Maru would be the favorite, he seems really strong in every stage of zvt while serral was lost in late game at katowice. Damn it, that sounds compromised :S | ||
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there is something wrong with maru | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:22 fealx wrote: i dont know how but maru is still in it I think he should gg now Kappa User was warned for this post. | ||
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Good call. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:26 Argonauta wrote: Ez win for Serral nuclear launch detected nuclear launch detected nuclear launch detected nuclear launch detected nuclear launch detected | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:26 Fango wrote: INno has always had Maru's number in TvT. Which fucking sucks because Maru is so much better at TvP and TvZ except when not | ||
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You know, if the Serral vs Maru final keeps getting ruined by Maru, maybe he's not the best player after all ;P We are never getting Serral / Maru lol LOL Serral vs Maru denied again BECAUSE MARU WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO ADVANCE. Maru did not hold his end of the bargain indeed Rotti | ||
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also i like Inno's style much more than Maru's so i'm happy to see him advance. and considering the last series him and Serral played, that should be a big final | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:26 Fango wrote: INno has always had Maru's number in TvT. Aside from like 2013 to 2016. This was just a terrible match by Maru, no numbers needed to be had. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:26 StasisField wrote: You know, if the Serral vs Maru final keeps getting ruined by Maru, maybe he's not the best player after all ;P I dont know how anyone who actually watched starcraft last year thought Maru was better than peak Serral Serral was just ridiculous | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:28 Schelim wrote: so is the third place match today or tomorrow? also i like Inno's style much more than Maru's so i'm happy to see him advance. and considering the last series him and Serral played, that should be a big final Tomorrow. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:28 Akio wrote: Really excited for this final to be honest, as much as it sucks that it's not Maru, INnoVation's TvZ has really delivered recently Yeah INno TvZ seems good enough so it won't be an autowin for Serral | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:28 Schelim wrote: so is the third place match today or tomorrow? also i like Inno's style much more than Maru's so i'm happy to see him advance. and considering the last series him and Serral played, that should be a big final It's tomorrow before the finals according to Liquipedia | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:29 BerserkSword wrote: I dont know how anyone who actually watched starcraft last year thought Maru was better than peak Serral Serral was just ridiculous Yeah absolutely impressive to destroy MaNa Has and all these great players lol, I've never seen that happen before! | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:28 fastr wrote: Disappointing showing from Maru but I'm neither sad nor surprised. I think most of us wanted to see a TvZ final any way. I'm expecting Serral to look better in late game situation than he did against Inno's at IEM. Though there is this apparently: https://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/1106427095096266753 | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:29 BerserkSword wrote: I dont know how anyone who actually watched starcraft last year thought Maru was better than peak Serral Serral was just ridiculous It's because they only watched the GSL lol | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:30 D-light wrote: Though there is this apparently: https://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/1106427095096266753 This issue was successfully resolved, according to digmouse. | ||
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thanks! | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:31 Elentos wrote: Eventually tournament organizers will have to accept that for Maru vs Serral to happen, they need to rig them to the same side of the bracket instead of opposite sides. They just need to hold a tournament with no group stage or playoffs. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:31 Elentos wrote: Eventually tournament organizers will have to accept that for Maru vs Serral to happen, they need to rig them to the same side of the bracket instead of opposite sides. Yeah, cause one always fails to reach the finals. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:30 D-light wrote: Though there is this apparently: https://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/1106427095096266753 They have secured special accounts with Blizzard for Round of 4 and onwards so its not a problem any more | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:31 Elentos wrote: Eventually tournament organizers will have to accept that for Maru vs Serral to happen, they need to rig them to the same side of the bracket instead of opposite sides. yes because since WESG last year Serral has always advanced further than Maru when they are in the same tournaments. On March 16 2019 18:32 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Yeah, cause one always fails to reach the finals. Mostly Maru | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:33 Argonauta wrote: ok, Maru vs INno again guys, will maru fix his TvT? What | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:30 Poopi wrote: Yeah absolutely impressive to destroy MaNa Has and all these great players lol, I've never seen that happen before! 3-0 inno 3-1 dark 4-3 stats 2-0 zest 3-0 dark 3-1 rogue 4-2 stats top koreans got destroyed by peak serral | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:31 pvsnp wrote: This issue was successfully resolved, according to digmouse. Neat. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:35 BerserkSword wrote: 3-0 inno 3-1 dark 4-3 stats 2-0 zest 3-0 dark 3-1 rogue 4-2 stats top koreans got destroyed by peak serral You forgot 1-0 Maru | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:35 seemsgood wrote: maru is gonna put his fury on scarlett Too little, too late. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:35 Musicus wrote: So anybody hyped for Scarlett vs Maru? I hope Meomaika tells her some good builds, she'll probably need them. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:35 BerserkSword wrote: 3-0 inno 3-1 dark 4-3 stats 2-0 zest 3-0 dark 3-1 rogue 4-2 stats top koreans got destroyed by peak serral "If we ignore the matches he lost, Serral has a perfect record against top Koreans, isn't it incredible?!" | ||
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and people still act like Maru is an absolute God and we JUST NEED that Maru-Serral final. | ||
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So who's gonna tell him? | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:38 HolydaKing wrote: I don't really understand why this LR is about semis and 3rd place match, since the 3rd place match and grand final are both tomorrow right? Probably a mistake unless I'm missing something. When I checked yesterday LP still said 3rd place match was today. Thread was probably made under the same impression? | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:37 sneakyfox wrote: "If we ignore the matches he lost, Serral has a perfect record against top Koreans, isn't it incredible?!" Nobody in 2018 was better than the way Serral was playing when he went on to win the biggest and prestigious tournament in starcraft 2 Serral was the juggernaut, Maru was the dude who got swept trying to proxy over and over | ||
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I also forgot: HSC: 2-1 soO 2-0 Trap 3-2 Taeja 3-0 Bunny 4-3 Inno IEM: 2-0 Rogue 2-1 Solar 2-1 Gumiho | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:29 Elentos wrote: Aside from like 2013 to 2016. This was just a terrible match by Maru, no numbers needed to be had. Aside from the 4-0 stomp on OSL, INno had a pretty good record against Maru iirc. Especially in LotV. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:39 Elentos wrote: When I checked yesterday LP still said 3rd place match was today. Thread was probably made under the same impression? Maybe, I watched TakeTV who showed chinese stream schedule and there was no 3rd place match on that list. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:38 ThxSub~ wrote: I like how Maru can get 2-0'd by a complete no name, just after losing to Bunny in GSL, just after losing to Neeb and a bunch of second tier koreans in IEM, just after getting 3-0'd in a silly way at the world finals, just after losing the korean tournament that serral won, just after losing the team match to Serral ... and people still act like Maru is an absolute God and we JUST NEED that Maru-Serral final. Neeb is one of the best foreigners though.... he is the only person in this tournament to beat Serral mind you | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:41 Nesto wrote: Is this over for today? yup | ||
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Inno > Maru > TY > Inno | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:40 BerserkSword wrote: Nobody in 2018 was better than the way Serral was playing when he went on to win the biggest and prestigious tournament in starcraft 2 Serral was the juggernaut, Maru was the dude who got swept trying to proxy over and over It's funny how blizzcon was never the biggest of deals over GSL until a foreigner won it. PartinG, sOs (twice), Life, and Rogue all won it and none were considered the best player of that year. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:43 pvsnp wrote: From what I've seen, despite all of them having shown the ability to put on a TvT masterclass, the wins usually go like Inno > Maru > TY > Inno btw Mvp > Polt > MMA > Mvp has indeed been a long time lol | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:44 Fango wrote: It's funny how blizzcon was never the biggest of deals over GSL until a foreigner won it. PartinG, sOs (twice), Life, and Rogue all won it and none were considered the best player of that year. Life was considered a god ffs, he even went on to win the next season of GSL, everyone saw him as the strongest player that year | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:41 AzAlexZ wrote: Neeb is one of the best foreigners though.... he is the only person in this tournament to beat Serral mind you you know...may be we should stop judging one player's mistake for thier current forms | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:46 AzAlexZ wrote: Life was considered a god ffs, he even went on to win the next season of GSL, everyone saw him as the strongest player that year If Life was considered the best player of 2014 then I'm the fucking queen of england | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:41 agsub wrote: What happened to the Maru that beat TY in a GSL final...sigh.... A patch that changed everything about early game TvT. Maru's builds were really bad against inno's cyclone openings on top of a lot of mistakes in the very early stages of the game. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:46 AzAlexZ wrote: Life was considered a god ffs, he even went on to win the next season of GSL, everyone saw him as the strongest player that year No they didn't. Zest and soO were the best players that year by a fucking mile. Life was considered the best on 2015, which happened to be the year sos won blizzcon. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:47 Durnuu wrote: If Life was considered the best player of 2014 then I'm the fucking queen of england Well it was either him or Zest. | ||
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Yeah, they look so alike and play such similar styles too You were probably thinking of Blizzcon, which he did win in 2014 but at the end of a rather unspectacular year for him. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:43 pvsnp wrote: From what I've seen, despite all of them having shown the ability to put on a TvT masterclass, the wins usually go like Inno > Maru > TY > Inno On this patch so far it's just TY > Inno > Maru | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:49 Xitah wrote: I'm going to trigger Maru fans: the 3 GSL wins of Maru are not that impressive since first, the top Zerg and world no 1 or 2 was not participating and second, Korean talent is on decline, so don't pretend that it means as much as like in 2014 or something. Korean talent is definitely on decline, this is why returning players like MMA, Bomber, Taeja and MC completely crushed these wannabes when they returned. | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:44 Fango wrote: It's funny how blizzcon was never the biggest of deals over GSL until a foreigner won it. PartinG, sOs (twice), Life, and Rogue all won it and none were considered the best player of that year. when they won it, blizzcon didnt have a prize pool head and shoulders above everything else. the lotv era blizzcon prize pools are mammoth | ||
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On March 16 2019 18:49 Xitah wrote: I'm going to trigger Maru fans: the 3 GSL wins of Maru are not that impressive since first, the top Zerg and world no 1 or 2 was not participating and second, Korean talent is on decline, so don't pretend that it means as much as like in 2014 or something. Yeah thankfully the guy who got 3-0ed by Classic and then Maru wasn't at GSL | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 16 2019 18:50 Elentos wrote: On this patch so far it's just TY > Inno > Maru In LotV in offline Bo3+, TY is 13–10 (56.52%) in games and 3–2 (60.00%) in matches against Maru. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:53 Poopi wrote: Yeah thankfully the guy who got 3-0ed by Classic and then Maru wasn't at GSL it's okay that guy just won every other tournament that a) Classic could not qualify for or b) Maru got knocked out early from he also beat Classic 3-1 in WESG a week later | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:49 Xitah wrote: I'm going to trigger Maru fans: the 3 GSL wins of Maru are not that impressive since first, the top Zerg and world no 1 or 2 was not participating and second, Korean talent is on decline, so don't pretend that it means as much as like in 2014 or something. During the first one or two seasons Dark and Rogue were the best zergs in the world and Maru beat both of them. During season one he even 3-0'd Serral in weekend mode | ||
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
Grand final: Sunday, Mar 17 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:53 BerserkSword wrote: when they won it, blizzcon didnt have a prize pool head and shoulders above everything else. the lotv era blizzcon prize pools are mammoth Rogue won the exact same amount of money as Serral.... And even before that $100K was the biggest payout in sc2..... | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:56 digmouse wrote: 3rd place match: Sunday, Mar 17 6:15am GMT (GMT+00:00) Grand final: Sunday, Mar 17 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) That's a pretty darn big gap | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:56 digmouse wrote: 3rd place match: Sunday, Mar 17 6:15am GMT (GMT+00:00) Grand final: Sunday, Mar 17 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) I assume these times will again be subject to the previous event's finals? | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Let me paint you a picture. 2014 Blizzcon. First round match. Zest vs Life. Zest in 2014 dominated the Korean scene in a way people at the time didn't think would happen. The fact that Life advances is considered a monumental upset, because his 2014 was pretty much completely mediocre until that point. No, Life was not considered a god until after he won Blizzcon. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:58 Elentos wrote: Let me paint you a picture. 2014 Blizzcon. First round match. Zest vs Life. Zest in 2014 dominated the Korean scene in a way people at the time didn't think would happen. The fact that Life advances is considered a monumental upset, because his 2014 was pretty much completely mediocre until that point. No, Life was not considered a god until after he won Blizzcon. I got 2014 and 2015 mixed up apparently lol | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
This has to be one of the strangest cases of collective denial I have ever seen by any community/forum. Yes, Koreans are still the best in this game as a whole. Yes, a WCS premier title is not as prestigous as a GSL. But how the fuck can anyone who actually watched a lot of Starcraft deny the fact that Serral is the best player in the world? His worst finish in a freaking year is a quarterfinal exit after winning the group at IEM. He trashed one of the best Zergs three times going 9-2 in maps when everything was at stake. He beat the best Toss of 2k18 in 2 grand finals. He trashed Inno 3-0 in Korea. He went on the longest and most impressive streak of wins ever. His biggest competition for best in the world failed to get to the finals of some of the biggest tournaments of the year 3 times with Serral waiting for him in the finals in all of them. His playstyle is uber solid, unreal multitasking, unparraleled scouting, master of the mid to late game. He also showed great composure with the hopes and dreams of the whole SC2 community on his back as a 20 year old. If he wins tomorrow he is the most winning SC2 player of all time in terms of $$$ at 20 years with most of his earning coming in 1 and a half years while others have been around to win money way longer. It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2 | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: Coming back to TL for the first time in a while and people are still trying to downplay Serral's achievements? This has to be one of the strangest cases of collective denial I have ever seen by any community/forum. Yes, Koreans are still the best in this game as a whole. Yes, a WCS premier title is not as prestigous as a GSL. But how the fuck can anyone who actually watched a lot of Starcraft deny the fact that Serral is the best player in the world? His worst finish in a freaking year is a quarterfinal exit after winning the group at IEM. He trashed one of the best Zergs three times going 9-2 in maps when everything was at stake. He beat the best Toss of 2k18 in 2 grand finals. He trashed Inno 3-0 in Korea. He went on the longest and most impressive streak of wins ever. His biggest competition for best in the world failed to get to the finals of some of the biggest tournaments of the year 3 times with Serral waiting for him in the finals in all of them. His playstyle is uber solid, unreal multitasking, unparraleled scouting, master of the mid to late game. He also showed great composure with the hopes and dreams of the whole SC2 community on his back as a 20 year old. If he wins tomorrow he is the most winning SC2 player of all time in terms of $$$ at 20 years with most of his earning coming in 1 and a half years while others have been around to win money way longer. It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2 couldn't have said it better myself | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2 Imagine winning two weekend tournaments (ones with serious competition at least).and people calling you the GOAT :D | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:09 Fango wrote: Imagine winning three weekend tournaments (ones with serious competition at least) in the spam of 5 months and people calling you the GOAT :D corrected that for you | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:37 sneakyfox wrote: "If we ignore the matches he lost, Serral has a perfect record against top Koreans, isn't it incredible?!" Peak Serral is the one we had the honor to witness at GSL vs the World and, especially, at BlizzCon. Just look the level of his play! While he had that form, he nomatched every korean he faced except for Stats. Maru was very impressive in 2018 when he didn't proxy 24/7 but Serral's peak was more impressive; we are not speaking of achievements or streak here, just of how strong they looked while playing. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
Still less than TaeJa. Peak Serral was way closer to becoming a bonjwa than Serral is to becoming GOAT. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
WCS did not have serious competition. Not a single top ten player other than Serral. You can't use WCS wins to compare Serral to koreans when they're excluded from them. | ||
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pvsnp
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:11 Elentos wrote: Still less than TaeJa. Peak Serral was way closer to becoming a bonjwa than Serral is to becoming GOAT. Imagine if a korean player like Stats won GSL vs The world and blizzcon. They wouldn't have even been considered player of the year let alone GOAT. And Stats has multiple starleagues under his belt, as well as other weekenders, and an amazing history in proleague etc | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:16 pvsnp wrote: I like how as soon as we get a finals without Serral vs Maru, the subject immediately becomes Serral vs Maru Every single starcraft thread becomes Serral vs Maru, eventually. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:17 Fango wrote: Imagine if a korean player like Stats won GSL vs The world and blizzcon. They wouldn't have even been considered player of the year let alone GOAT. And Stats has multiple starleagues under his belt, as well as other weekenders, and an amazing history in proleague etc Bad example, Stats is protoss therefore can't ever be considered for best player of the year | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:19 Durnuu wrote: Every single starcraft thread becomes Serral vs Maru, eventually. Evolution, dude. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:11 Elentos wrote: Still less than TaeJa. Peak Serral was way closer to becoming a bonjwa than Serral is to becoming GOAT. I agree! He does have many titles under his belt already but not nearly enough to be in contention for GOAT; were he to overtake TaeJa as Premier titles won we'll speak of it, even if I already know you guys would disregard his WCS titles. Serral started playing full time less than two years ago and he's just in his twenties, he surely doesn't lack the time to try. If a korean player showcased that level of domination throughout twelve months we'd all be more inclined to call him Bonjwa as the title is tied to crushing the opposition way more than being consistent over the span of multiple years; I can perfectly understand that you object he might not have been dominant all this time if he played in Korea. He surely wasn't in March and April, we have no way of finding out how he would have fared in June and July; after GSL vs the World, he was for sure ready; we will never know. He has the numbers of a Bonjwa, that's for sure; we'll see. | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:27 Xain0n wrote: Bonjwa [...] is tied to crushing the opposition way more than being consistent over the span of multiple years. it's actually a term tied to a different game that had meaning stretched as whatever fans wanted, because, in the end, it's nothing but fan nomenclature which is basically just ramblings of people on the internet | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:19 Durnuu wrote: Every single starcraft thread becomes Serral vs Maru, eventually. Well, it's almost appropriate here we almost got Serral vs Maru; it was the highest chanche of them meeting we had in seven months. However, as I previously said, that narrative was hotter last year when both were at their peak and we had to find out who was the strongest; a match played now would have been a pale shade of what it could have happened at BlizzCon. I woke up late and did not watch the series; reading the LR made me think they weren't especially worth watching, am I wrong? Serral vs Innovation is the final I actually wanted, they developed a proper rivalry and I am very curious to see if g2 and g3 at IEM were actually indicative of a weakness Serral has in ultra late game ZvT; I'm confident he had a solution in mind for that scenario or he will actively try to end the game/getting capital advantage before it materializes. I think Serral has good chanches in a bo7 given his attitude of losing single games while adapting very well works better in extended series; Inno is always solid, I'm expecting ovine photoshops if he wins. I'd be surprised to see a sweep from either sides, I think it will be hard fought. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:49 Xitah wrote: I'm going to trigger Maru fans: the 3 GSL wins of Maru are not that impressive since first, the top Zerg and world no 1 or 2 was not participating and second, Korean talent is on decline, so don't pretend that it means as much as like in 2014 or something. And in decline it's still more than 99 % of WCS players. Sad story, really. | ||
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Xitah
49 Posts
Serral vs Innovation is the final I actually wanted Can you imagine 7 games of "NuclearLaunchDetectedNuclearLaunchDetectedNuclearLaunchDetected"?? The janitors will turn off the lights, kick everyone out, lock the doors, and go home. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Hopefully Innovation can show him who's boss in the finals. | ||
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dysenterymd
1237 Posts
I sort of dispute the `decaying scene' narrative. GSL ro32 is significantly weaker than before, but otherwise the Korean scene is strong. You have players like Snute saying that the game has gotten increasingly difficult and mechanically demanding, and Snute was very strong mechanically from 2013-2016. The foreign scene certainly has the highest skill level it has ever had, and if you ignore Serral (excluding one outlier is fair IMO) the Korean non-Korean gap is about as big as it was in 2016. The Korean scene is weaker in terms of depth, but the top Koreans are as god like as ever. So yes, Maru's 3 GSL wins are very impressive. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:43 pvsnp wrote: From what I've seen, despite all of them having shown the ability to put on a TvT masterclass, the wins usually go like Inno > Maru > TY > Inno Wow This is so spot on | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:49 pvsnp wrote: Yeah, they look so alike and play such similar styles too You were probably thinking of Blizzcon, which he did win in 2014 but at the end of a rather unspectacular year for him. He was a inconsistent for sure but saying he was unspectacular or soO was miles ahead is more a TL narrative than anything. This kind of tropes made by the writers and the community are hards to debunk but still, he won a DH, got in 1/2 of a very stacked iem and a gsl when he barely lost to soO (after beating Maru), won the wcs world and managed to be in the finals of a very stacked dh winter which he was a big favorite to win. (Forgg mech was really amazing) It's easy to argue some players have a better year (soO, Zest) but telling he was unspectacular or they were miles ahead by following this narrative is ridiculous. Unless you consider dh winter and wcs world are not part of the year but it is weird. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:57 Xitah wrote: Can you imagine 7 games of "NuclearLaunchDetectedNuclearLaunchDetectedNuclearLaunchDetected"?? The janitors will turn off the lights, kick everyone out, lock the doors, and go home. Hahahah that would be a little too much, I'm hoping for a more varied series like the one at HSC; I like lategame, ghosts and nukes but 40-45 minutes games are either too stressful or boring to me. As for the B word, it was definitely more suited to Brood War since here the foreign scene actually means something; it has a well defined meaning is defined well enough, I wouldn't imply it shifts following the caprices of the fans, and this meaning involves being able to crush the competitions for months with consecutive tournament wins(see IloveOov) while not especially rewarding consistency at top level(Jaedong). In sc2 Mvp was indeed the korean player(this means it could be unanimous) closest to be a Bonjwa. | ||
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Achamian
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Kazi25
Philippines236 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
I expect a rerun of Masa-Scarlett in the 3rd place match shouls be quick. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 16 2019 20:03 dysenterymd wrote: I would consider myself a huge Serral fan, but saying he's the GOAT, or even in contention, is delusional. In terms of total career accomplishments it's probably something like Inno > Maru >= MVP >= Life and then MAYBE Serral, though I can think of many others who would deserve that 5th spot. Even if Serral isn't at his peak right now he seems poised to win most of the WCS events this year (Neeb could beat him, but Serral is much more consistent against non-Neeb foreigners than Neeb is against non-Serral foreigners so will they even meet?) and probably take a few weekenders with Koreans in attendance. If Serral keeps up his form for another two years (especially if he takes a GSL, which I would love for him to try) he would be a contender for GOAT. Also WESG isn't that huge in terms of prestige, I would put it somewhere between a WCS stop and any other weekender in terms of difficulty. I sort of dispute the `decaying scene' narrative. GSL ro32 is significantly weaker than before, but otherwise the Korean scene is strong. You have players like Snute saying that the game has gotten increasingly difficult and mechanically demanding, and Snute was very strong mechanically from 2013-2016. The foreign scene certainly has the highest skill level it has ever had, and if you ignore Serral (excluding one outlier is fair IMO) the Korean non-Korean gap is about as big as it was in 2016. The Korean scene is weaker in terms of depth, but the top Koreans are as god like as ever. So yes, Maru's 3 GSL wins are very impressive. Almost everything you wrote here mirror my own thoughts. Just a few points: not sure Inno is the GOAT yet, Mvp and Life are ahead of Maru imho; would not place Serral in top 5 on this list, almost certainly top 10. Not only Neeb could beat Serral in WCS, it's just that the majority of the foreigners seem weaker at the moment than they were in the previous seasons(Scarlett is more or less on par with her performance early last year): Reynor seems lost, ShowTime is in a slump, Special does not even reach semifinals anymore, Lambo has not improved, Elazer might be better but still way weaker than 2017, not to mention Nerchio who is not even playing at top level recently(and Snute who looks fairly good for a retired player but definitely can't get up there). | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:49 Xitah wrote: I'm going to trigger Maru fans: the 3 GSL wins of Maru are not that impressive since first, the top Zerg and world no 1 or 2 was not participating and second, Korean talent is on decline, so don't pretend that it means as much as like in 2014 or something. I disagree, 3 Code S are still super impressive. Even without Serral, the ro8 appeared stacked; the upper echelon of Code S is as scary as ever, korean scene just lost depth. On a side note, I'm worried for Protoss! Most of the young and of the returning players(who will probably ensure korean scene won't die out before Sc2 itself) are Terran or Zerg, just as the ones who seem most likely to breakout(Bunny, Ragnarok); on the other hand, the best Protoss are all relatively old and will be forced to retire soon. soO will greatly missed but Dark, Rogue and Solar will still be around; on the other hand, who is going to replace Stats, Classic, herO and Zest? sOs is slightly younger but I doubt he, alone, will be enough as he hasn't won a title in more than three years. Trap would need to step up his play, PartinG to recover his old greatness...I see it grim. Those players are responsible for all but one top 2 placements of korean Protoss in a premier tournament(the only exception being Patience losing WCA in 2016). It's not like Protoss are dominating at the moment: a good amount of finals but only two Premier victories in 2018. Neeb will carry the flag in the Circuit but the future of the race seems dire(and I guess nodoby will care since Protoss is the least liked). | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1107 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
So we can watch the ASL finals in-between the two series. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:57 Xitah wrote: Can you imagine 7 games of "NuclearLaunchDetectedNuclearLaunchDetectedNuclearLaunchDetected"?? This is the dream, aye. | ||
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Legan
Finland404 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On March 16 2019 20:03 dysenterymd wrote: I would consider myself a huge Serral fan, but saying he's the GOAT, or even in contention, is delusional. In terms of total career accomplishments it's probably something like Inno > Maru >= MVP >= Life and then MAYBE Serral, though I can think of many others who would deserve that 5th spot. Even if Serral isn't at his peak right now he seems poised to win most of the WCS events this year (Neeb could beat him, but Serral is much more consistent against non-Neeb foreigners than Neeb is against non-Serral foreigners so will they even meet?) and probably take a few weekenders with Koreans in attendance. If Serral keeps up his form for another two years (especially if he takes a GSL, which I would love for him to try) he would be a contender for GOAT. Also WESG isn't that huge in terms of prestige, I would put it somewhere between a WCS stop and any other weekender in terms of difficulty. well honestly, we have never had a player perform as well for even just barely over a year straight in the way that serral has (except maru.. kind of) if he did it for another 2 years he would be SOOOOOOOOOO far beyond anyone we have ever had in sc2 clearly GOAT is subjective. But if we are going to make it about "how much stuff have you won during the entire history of sc2", with little or no regard for consistent level of dominance, then yes clearly you have made it impossible for serral to be considered regardless of how good he actually is. i mean.. think about it... after this tournament serral is going to have the most $$ won of any sc2 player(if he wins)... in the history of sc2. these other players you guys are naming had 2,3,or even 4x as long to do that and he is still going to have won more. I'm just saying.. it's getting to the point where I think putting serral in the argument for GOAT isn't unreasonable at all. edit: actually coming back and reading this, the argument being made is even more unfair than "how much stuff have you won during the entire history of sc2", because other placements like semifinals are clearly being considered. So really, it starts becoming, at least partially, "how many tournaments have you participated in during the history of sc2". | ||
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Anc13nt
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 17 2019 00:39 travis wrote: this is hilarious because honestly, we have never had a player perform as well for even just barely over a year straight in the way that serral has (except maru.. kind of) if he did it for another 2 years he would be SOOOOOOOOOO far beyond anyone we have ever had in sc2 clearly GOAT is subjective. But if we are going to make it about "how much stuff have you won during the entire history of sc2", with little or no regard for consistent level of dominance, then yes clearly you have made it impossible for serral to be considered regardless of how good he actually is. i mean.. think about it... after this tournament serral is going to have the most $$ won of any sc2 player... in the history of sc2. these other players you guys are naming had 2,3,or even 4x as long to do that and he is still going to have won more. I'm just saying.. it's getting to the point where I think putting serral in the argument for GOAT isn't unreasonable at all. Uh, wait, I someway lost the "he has to go on for two years" part; no, clearly I don't agree on that, he is not called Bonjwa because he doesn't play korean leagues since the period of domination and the win percentage Serral had is unheard of in sc2. On the other hand, the GOAT indeed is a matter of "who won more stuff"; Serral has been a full time sc2 player for a couple of years now and has won a lot just as MVP had to retire early because of his back issues, Life who was(rightfully) banned before he was 20 years old or TaeJa who went to the military ahead of time because of his wrists. Their sc2 career wasn't much longer than Serral's if compared to Inno's or Maru's; Serral, being still young, strong and active, will have the time to amass enough titles to eventually become the GOAT if he keeps playing on his level. I really hope Serral will become the top earner tomorrow, it's not sure yet(edit for Anc13nt:if Inno wins he's fourth). That of prize distribution is one interesting matter as korean tournaments paid out significantly more in the past(up to three times the 1st prize for Code S in 2019) whereas international tournament first prizes skyrocketed in LoTV(BlizzCon from 100k to 280k, for example); the overall money awarded to Sc2 players was higher in 2012 than in 2018(still the third best year out of nine) but it can't be a coincidence that the current top three earners all won one of the big paycheques tournaments(Maru at WESG, Rogue and Serral at BlizzCon). Again, what really is impressive is how fast Serral has proceeded to earn that pile of money. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 17 2019 00:39 travis wrote: well honestly, we have never had a player perform as well for even just barely over a year straight in the way that serral has (except maru.. kind of) if he did it for another 2 years he would be SOOOOOOOOOO far beyond anyone we have ever had in sc2 clearly GOAT is subjective. But if we are going to make it about "how much stuff have you won during the entire history of sc2", with little or no regard for consistent level of dominance, then yes clearly you have made it impossible for serral to be considered regardless of how good he actually is. i mean.. think about it... after this tournament serral is going to have the most $$ won of any sc2 player(if he wins)... in the history of sc2. these other players you guys are naming had 2,3,or even 4x as long to do that and he is still going to have won more. I'm just saying.. it's getting to the point where I think putting serral in the argument for GOAT isn't unreasonable at all. edit: actually coming back and reading this, the argument being made is even more unfair than "how much stuff have you won during the entire history of sc2", because other placements like semifinals are clearly being considered. So really, it starts becoming, at least partially, "how many tournaments have you participated in during the history of sc2". Yeah, it's not like these players had 4 times more but the prize pool was lower and the game had much more talent in it. Also it's not like any of them was playing in regional tournament with no real opposition(WCS vs Code S). But totally comparable. I just made 200 km in a day, what an achievement. Let's not care I used a car while others were running, not importnat. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On March 17 2019 00:39 travis wrote: i mean.. think about it... after this tournament serral is going to have the most $$ won of any sc2 player TaeJa has won more Premier Tournaments than Serral has finished top 4 in. When the scene was much deeper than it is now. Yet he's earned less than half the prize money of Serral. The prize pools of today are hardly comparable with what they used to be. People shouldn't forget that. When stuchiu put TaeJa in the top 3 of his GOAT list people on TL ridiculed him and still somehow people entertain the thought that Serral would be close to GOAT already. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Alejandrisha
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 17 2019 04:13 Alejandrisha wrote: also, nice to see inno showing some emotion for the first time. either he actually is human or he got a substantial software update Those AIs have become increasingly better at mimicking human behaviour, I'm really impressed. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On March 17 2019 04:20 Xain0n wrote: Those AIs have become increasingly better at mimicking human behaviour, I'm really impressed. yes i think they are using some incremental ai updates towards understanding emotion xD all kidding aside, i love inno and i think my favorite sc2 gif of all time is inno smelling the flowers when he took 2nd place in gsl | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On March 17 2019 04:22 Alejandrisha wrote: yes i think they are using some incremental ai updates towards understanding emotion xD all kidding aside, i love inno and i think my favorite sc2 gif of all time is inno smelling the flowers when he took 2nd place in gsl | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 17 2019 00:39 travis wrote: well honestly, we have never had a player perform as well for even just barely over a year straight in the way that serral has (except maru.. kind of) if he did it for another 2 years he would be SOOOOOOOOOO far beyond anyone we have ever had in sc2 clearly GOAT is subjective. But if we are going to make it about "how much stuff have you won during the entire history of sc2", with little or no regard for consistent level of dominance, then yes clearly you have made it impossible for serral to be considered regardless of how good he actually is. i mean.. think about it... after this tournament serral is going to have the most $$ won of any sc2 player(if he wins)... in the history of sc2. these other players you guys are naming had 2,3,or even 4x as long to do that and he is still going to have won more. I'm just saying.. it's getting to the point where I think putting serral in the argument for GOAT isn't unreasonable at all. edit: actually coming back and reading this, the argument being made is even more unfair than "how much stuff have you won during the entire history of sc2", because other placements like semifinals are clearly being considered. So really, it starts becoming, at least partially, "how many tournaments have you participated in during the history of sc2". Greatest of all time Not "of however long you've been playing," not "of the past year," not "of insert-some-arbitrary-time-here." Call it unfair if you want, but it is what it is. Serral is nowhere near being GOAT, he's just too young right now. | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On March 17 2019 05:41 pvsnp wrote: Greatest of all time Not "of however long you've been playing," not "of the past year," not "of insert-some-arbitrary-time-here." Call it unfair if you want, but it is what it is. Serral is nowhere near being GOAT, he's just too young right now. Indeed, Innovation himself has a much stronger case for the greatest so far than Serral does. | ||
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frazzle
United States468 Posts
On March 17 2019 02:12 starkiller123 wrote: pretty crazy, I knew that INnoVation has a good record vs Maru but its even worse than i thought, Maru has beaten INnoVation only one time outside of some proleague bo1 and the only extended series he has won was the 4-0 back in 2013, other than that INnoVation has won every other bo3+ series the two have played Aligulac is down for me to see for myself, but wow. That's crazy! | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 17 2019 05:41 pvsnp wrote: Greatest of all time Not "of however long you've been playing," not "of the past year," not "of insert-some-arbitrary-time-here." Call it unfair if you want, but it is what it is. Serral is nowhere near being GOAT, he's just too young right now. Man if only there was a way to say who's the SC2 GOAT... https://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/544242-team-liquid-greatest-of-all-time-contest | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On March 17 2019 11:01 AzAlexZ wrote: I guess Life being a criminal means he will not be in the discussion? you guessed correctly | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
I put this in the wrong thread my bad lol | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
still :D | ||
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