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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 02 2019 18:45 GMT
#1701
Fun fact if Dark get to the final, soO will have lose a premier championship final against half the player in the GSL ro16
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egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
March 02 2019 18:45 GMT
#1702
The KeSPA strikes back
sOs TY PartinG
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 02 2019 18:45 GMT
#1703
On March 03 2019 03:44 Penev wrote:
2019: Revenge of the gap

Poor Maru and Innovation fell to the wrong side when it reopened
Neosteel Enthusiast
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-02 18:46:52
March 02 2019 18:46 GMT
#1704
On March 03 2019 03:44 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:43 imre wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:43 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:39 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:37 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:26 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:59 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:56 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:50 JJH777 wrote:
[quote]

Now that Terran is out of the tournament I think Maru looks very good. His 2-0 vs Dark is the single most impressive thing a Terran did during this tournament. It is more impressive than Innovation 2-1ing Serral. While Serral is probably the best ZvP and ZvZer (despite this loss to Soo) I don't even think he is top 3 in ZvT.


Do you really? Leenock and Neeb played well, but not that well.


He looked off but he still barely lost to them. Almost every terran in this tournament lost to someone you wouldn't normally expect them to.

Maru probably had the most impressive single match performance of the whole tournament for Terran but at the end of the day he was still out in the group stage. Hard to say he performed strongly with that in mind.


All Terrans were out in the group stage besides TY who had a 3 terran group and really easy zergs. Maru would have gotten out of that group as well.

Maru's group was not nearly hard enough that he should have been eliminated. I can justify Special not making it. I can justify Inno and Gumiho not making it. I can justify Bunny and uThermal not making it. But Maru has no excuse, and you're using one match that was played after Dark already won the group to make it out like Maru got eliminated while playing really strong.

In reality, Maru played far below his potential, which is true for most of the Terrans in the main tournament, including TY. None of them were really convincing for more than 1 series.


All of the best Terrans in the world played below their potential. That's so much more likely than the alternative.

I thought we were discussing who was the most impressive Terran this tournament. Which to me was none of them. I didn't realize this discussing had anything to do with game balance.


Gumiho at least had the BC game. that wins the award since they all were destroyed several times.

Bunny was definitely not the best terran but I was really happy with how he played and I think overall he showed good games


He had some really good TvZ. A shame he was never more than a promise because on a good day he has that CJ terran style attacking everywhere all the time.
Zest fanboy.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
March 02 2019 18:46 GMT
#1705
On March 03 2019 03:45 Nakajin wrote:
Fun fact if Dark get to the final, soO will have lose a premier championship final against half the player in the GSL ro16


I like how you don't even consider the possibility of him winning
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
March 02 2019 18:46 GMT
#1706
On March 03 2019 03:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:44 Penev wrote:
2019: Revenge of the gap

Poor Maru and Innovation fell to the wrong side when it reopened

korean terrans

HAHAHA
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 02 2019 18:46 GMT
#1707
On March 03 2019 03:44 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:43 imre wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:43 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:39 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:37 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:26 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:59 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:56 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:50 JJH777 wrote:
[quote]

Now that Terran is out of the tournament I think Maru looks very good. His 2-0 vs Dark is the single most impressive thing a Terran did during this tournament. It is more impressive than Innovation 2-1ing Serral. While Serral is probably the best ZvP and ZvZer (despite this loss to Soo) I don't even think he is top 3 in ZvT.


Do you really? Leenock and Neeb played well, but not that well.


He looked off but he still barely lost to them. Almost every terran in this tournament lost to someone you wouldn't normally expect them to.

Maru probably had the most impressive single match performance of the whole tournament for Terran but at the end of the day he was still out in the group stage. Hard to say he performed strongly with that in mind.


All Terrans were out in the group stage besides TY who had a 3 terran group and really easy zergs. Maru would have gotten out of that group as well.

Maru's group was not nearly hard enough that he should have been eliminated. I can justify Special not making it. I can justify Inno and Gumiho not making it. I can justify Bunny and uThermal not making it. But Maru has no excuse, and you're using one match that was played after Dark already won the group to make it out like Maru got eliminated while playing really strong.

In reality, Maru played far below his potential, which is true for most of the Terrans in the main tournament, including TY. None of them were really convincing for more than 1 series.


All of the best Terrans in the world played below their potential. That's so much more likely than the alternative.

I thought we were discussing who was the most impressive Terran this tournament. Which to me was none of them. I didn't realize this discussing had anything to do with game balance.


Gumiho at least had the BC game. that wins the award since they all were destroyed several times.

Bunny was definitely not the best terran but I was really happy with how he played and I think overall he showed good games

Bunny really rekt himself against the foreigners. He beat soO and TY and didn't advance because he couldn't bring it against Scarlett and uThermal.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
March 02 2019 18:47 GMT
#1708
On March 03 2019 03:46 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:45 Nakajin wrote:
Fun fact if Dark get to the final, soO will have lose a premier championship final against half the player in the GSL ro16


I like how you don't even consider the possibility of him winning


If I say soO's gonna lose over and over maybe I'm gonna reverse jinx him
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 02 2019 18:47 GMT
#1709
On March 03 2019 03:46 imre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:44 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:43 imre wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:43 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:39 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:37 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:26 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:59 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:56 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
[quote]

Do you really? Leenock and Neeb played well, but not that well.


He looked off but he still barely lost to them. Almost every terran in this tournament lost to someone you wouldn't normally expect them to.

Maru probably had the most impressive single match performance of the whole tournament for Terran but at the end of the day he was still out in the group stage. Hard to say he performed strongly with that in mind.


All Terrans were out in the group stage besides TY who had a 3 terran group and really easy zergs. Maru would have gotten out of that group as well.

Maru's group was not nearly hard enough that he should have been eliminated. I can justify Special not making it. I can justify Inno and Gumiho not making it. I can justify Bunny and uThermal not making it. But Maru has no excuse, and you're using one match that was played after Dark already won the group to make it out like Maru got eliminated while playing really strong.

In reality, Maru played far below his potential, which is true for most of the Terrans in the main tournament, including TY. None of them were really convincing for more than 1 series.


All of the best Terrans in the world played below their potential. That's so much more likely than the alternative.

I thought we were discussing who was the most impressive Terran this tournament. Which to me was none of them. I didn't realize this discussing had anything to do with game balance.


Gumiho at least had the BC game. that wins the award since they all were destroyed several times.

Bunny was definitely not the best terran but I was really happy with how he played and I think overall he showed good games


He had some really good ZvZ. A shame he was never more than a promise because on a good day he has that CJ terran style attacking everywhere all the time.

I do feel like Bunny has been stepping it up lately so who knows, he also as a pretty decent shot at making ro8 this gsl season
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
March 02 2019 18:47 GMT
#1710
On March 03 2019 03:47 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:46 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:45 Nakajin wrote:
Fun fact if Dark get to the final, soO will have lose a premier championship final against half the player in the GSL ro16


I like how you don't even consider the possibility of him winning


If I say soO's gonna lose over and over maybe I'm gonna reverse jinx him


Dark is almost a bigger Kong than soO considering he lost to soO in a final.
Zest fanboy.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
March 02 2019 18:47 GMT
#1711
after watching the whole series I concluded I did not enjoy game 1 and 2
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 02 2019 18:48 GMT
#1712
On March 03 2019 03:46 imre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:44 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:43 imre wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:43 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:39 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:37 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:26 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:59 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:56 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
[quote]

Do you really? Leenock and Neeb played well, but not that well.


He looked off but he still barely lost to them. Almost every terran in this tournament lost to someone you wouldn't normally expect them to.

Maru probably had the most impressive single match performance of the whole tournament for Terran but at the end of the day he was still out in the group stage. Hard to say he performed strongly with that in mind.


All Terrans were out in the group stage besides TY who had a 3 terran group and really easy zergs. Maru would have gotten out of that group as well.

Maru's group was not nearly hard enough that he should have been eliminated. I can justify Special not making it. I can justify Inno and Gumiho not making it. I can justify Bunny and uThermal not making it. But Maru has no excuse, and you're using one match that was played after Dark already won the group to make it out like Maru got eliminated while playing really strong.

In reality, Maru played far below his potential, which is true for most of the Terrans in the main tournament, including TY. None of them were really convincing for more than 1 series.


All of the best Terrans in the world played below their potential. That's so much more likely than the alternative.

I thought we were discussing who was the most impressive Terran this tournament. Which to me was none of them. I didn't realize this discussing had anything to do with game balance.


Gumiho at least had the BC game. that wins the award since they all were destroyed several times.

Bunny was definitely not the best terran but I was really happy with how he played and I think overall he showed good games


He had some really good TvZ. A shame he was never more than a promise because on a good day he has that CJ terran style attacking everywhere all the time.

I often think of Bunny's play as similar to TY but just somewhat worse in every aspect.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
March 02 2019 18:48 GMT
#1713
On March 03 2019 03:47 imre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:47 Nakajin wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:46 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:45 Nakajin wrote:
Fun fact if Dark get to the final, soO will have lose a premier championship final against half the player in the GSL ro16


I like how you don't even consider the possibility of him winning


If I say soO's gonna lose over and over maybe I'm gonna reverse jinx him


Dark is almost a bigger Kong than soO considering he lost to soO in a final.

if he's the 2nd biggest kong... does it mean that makes him the biggest kong?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
March 02 2019 18:49 GMT
#1714
On March 03 2019 03:47 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:46 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:45 Nakajin wrote:
Fun fact if Dark get to the final, soO will have lose a premier championship final against half the player in the GSL ro16


I like how you don't even consider the possibility of him winning


If I say soO's gonna lose over and over maybe I'm gonna reverse jinx him

I'm doing that as well

herO will disgust soO into oblivion
I Protoss winner, could it be?
MrWayne
Profile Joined December 2016
219 Posts
March 02 2019 18:49 GMT
#1715
On March 03 2019 03:44 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:43 imre wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:43 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:39 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:37 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:26 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:59 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:56 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:50 JJH777 wrote:
[quote]

Now that Terran is out of the tournament I think Maru looks very good. His 2-0 vs Dark is the single most impressive thing a Terran did during this tournament. It is more impressive than Innovation 2-1ing Serral. While Serral is probably the best ZvP and ZvZer (despite this loss to Soo) I don't even think he is top 3 in ZvT.


Do you really? Leenock and Neeb played well, but not that well.


He looked off but he still barely lost to them. Almost every terran in this tournament lost to someone you wouldn't normally expect them to.

Maru probably had the most impressive single match performance of the whole tournament for Terran but at the end of the day he was still out in the group stage. Hard to say he performed strongly with that in mind.


All Terrans were out in the group stage besides TY who had a 3 terran group and really easy zergs. Maru would have gotten out of that group as well.

Maru's group was not nearly hard enough that he should have been eliminated. I can justify Special not making it. I can justify Inno and Gumiho not making it. I can justify Bunny and uThermal not making it. But Maru has no excuse, and you're using one match that was played after Dark already won the group to make it out like Maru got eliminated while playing really strong.

In reality, Maru played far below his potential, which is true for most of the Terrans in the main tournament, including TY. None of them were really convincing for more than 1 series.


All of the best Terrans in the world played below their potential. That's so much more likely than the alternative.

I thought we were discussing who was the most impressive Terran this tournament. Which to me was none of them. I didn't realize this discussing had anything to do with game balance.


Gumiho at least had the BC game. that wins the award since they all were destroyed several times.

Bunny was definitely not the best terran but I was really happy with how he played and I think overall he showed good games


Yeah I also enjoyed his play the most out of all Terrans in the round of 24
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 02 2019 18:49 GMT
#1716
On March 03 2019 03:47 imre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:47 Nakajin wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:46 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:45 Nakajin wrote:
Fun fact if Dark get to the final, soO will have lose a premier championship final against half the player in the GSL ro16


I like how you don't even consider the possibility of him winning


If I say soO's gonna lose over and over maybe I'm gonna reverse jinx him


Dark is almost a bigger Kong than soO considering he lost to soO in a final.

Dark won his first Starleague finals and KeSPA Cup is a special event (which Kongs are allowed to win), so Dark is barely safe in my book.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 02 2019 18:49 GMT
#1717
On March 03 2019 03:48 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:46 imre wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:44 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:43 imre wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:43 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:39 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:37 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:26 JJH777 wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:59 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2019 02:56 JJH777 wrote:
[quote]

He looked off but he still barely lost to them. Almost every terran in this tournament lost to someone you wouldn't normally expect them to.

Maru probably had the most impressive single match performance of the whole tournament for Terran but at the end of the day he was still out in the group stage. Hard to say he performed strongly with that in mind.


All Terrans were out in the group stage besides TY who had a 3 terran group and really easy zergs. Maru would have gotten out of that group as well.

Maru's group was not nearly hard enough that he should have been eliminated. I can justify Special not making it. I can justify Inno and Gumiho not making it. I can justify Bunny and uThermal not making it. But Maru has no excuse, and you're using one match that was played after Dark already won the group to make it out like Maru got eliminated while playing really strong.

In reality, Maru played far below his potential, which is true for most of the Terrans in the main tournament, including TY. None of them were really convincing for more than 1 series.


All of the best Terrans in the world played below their potential. That's so much more likely than the alternative.

I thought we were discussing who was the most impressive Terran this tournament. Which to me was none of them. I didn't realize this discussing had anything to do with game balance.


Gumiho at least had the BC game. that wins the award since they all were destroyed several times.

Bunny was definitely not the best terran but I was really happy with how he played and I think overall he showed good games


He had some really good TvZ. A shame he was never more than a promise because on a good day he has that CJ terran style attacking everywhere all the time.

I often think of Bunny's play as similar to TY but just somewhat worse in every aspect.

he's like a more aggressive TY that is way worse at late game control and like drops a little too much, makes for very fun games though
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
March 02 2019 18:50 GMT
#1718
On March 03 2019 03:45 Nakajin wrote:
Fun fact if Dark get to the final, soO will have lose a premier championship final against half the player in the GSL ro16

No, soO will have won an IEM Championship.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-02 18:51:01
March 02 2019 18:50 GMT
#1719
On March 03 2019 03:47 imre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:47 Nakajin wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:46 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:45 Nakajin wrote:
Fun fact if Dark get to the final, soO will have lose a premier championship final against half the player in the GSL ro16


I like how you don't even consider the possibility of him winning


If I say soO's gonna lose over and over maybe I'm gonna reverse jinx him


Dark is almost a bigger Kong than soO considering he lost to soO in a final.


Nah he's just a korean zerg not name Rogue, last to win a tournament was... like Hyun winning wcs NA season 1 in 2014?
Edit: NVM totally forget Dark won SSL
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-02 18:51:20
March 02 2019 18:50 GMT
#1720
On March 03 2019 03:50 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 03:47 imre wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:47 Nakajin wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:46 opisska wrote:
On March 03 2019 03:45 Nakajin wrote:
Fun fact if Dark get to the final, soO will have lose a premier championship final against half the player in the GSL ro16


I like how you don't even consider the possibility of him winning


If I say soO's gonna lose over and over maybe I'm gonna reverse jinx him


Dark is almost a bigger Kong than soO considering he lost to soO in a final.


Nah he's just a korean zerg not name Rogue, last to win a tournament was... like Hyun winning wcs NA season 1 in 2014?

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