Shedule says this event ends on the 25th. Does this mean that the finals will be played sunday morning/night ~ 0.30/1.00am or sunday evening, like 6 pm? (CET)
Serral's understanding of the game is insane however the new patch can play tricks this tournament EDIT: like his comment on the couch about spotting Soo wasnt scouting well in game 1, to punish him for this in game 2 showcases how well he analyzes the games. I know other good players do that as well, but Serral is a complete package. Well done.
On November 23 2018 23:09 Musicus wrote: Serral okay, but how did soO lose vs Soul? Wtf what did I miss.
I only saw game 3 and souL bunker rushed him. 3 full bunkers with marines, didn't kill his 2nd but he did some decent damage. After that, soO was on 3 base against souL on 3 base. SouL even had more workers. He then marine+tank pushed and killed soO's 4th, while building his 5th and 6th CC already. soO never really came into that game tbh, souL was ahead economically and army wise most of the game.
On November 23 2018 23:19 sneakyfox wrote: soO is going to crash out of this tournament. Pity
He can go drinking with Rogue and Creator though.
The people demands Rogue-Creator-soO drunk on the couch!
They'd probably end up speaking Korean, lol. soO actually can speak English fairly well though. At least good enough to say some things, like Taeja but better probably.
On November 23 2018 23:19 sneakyfox wrote: soO is going to crash out of this tournament. Pity
He can go drinking with Rogue and Creator though.
The people demands Rogue-Creator-soO drunk on the couch!
They'd probably end up speaking Korean, lol. soO actually can speak English fairly well though. At least good enough to say some things, like Taeja but better probably.
"like Taeja but better probably" also describes soO's current level of play
On November 23 2018 23:19 sneakyfox wrote: soO is going to crash out of this tournament. Pity
He can go drinking with Rogue and Creator though.
The people demands Rogue-Creator-soO drunk on the couch!
They'd probably end up speaking Korean, lol. soO actually can speak English fairly well though. At least good enough to say some things, like Taeja but better probably.
I just been watching Bly vs Soul for a good 4 minutes thinking it was Serral-Bunny with the A stream sound. I was wondering why the guys on the couch were not saying anything about all the hellions getting killed
On November 24 2018 00:14 Musicus wrote: If there is one test left for Serral, it would be Korean Terrans. I really hope Bunny can push him to the limit.
Bunny isn't in the best form these days so I doubt it
On November 24 2018 00:14 Musicus wrote: If there is one test left for Serral, it would be Korean Terrans. I really hope Bunny can push him to the limit.
Bunny isn't in the best form these days so I doubt it
So do I get it correctly that Serral finally met a good Korean Terran and is providing his true Banjo skills? (at work, can't watch) But still, his PvZ and ZvZ are awesome. (although I'm not sure if there's anyone except Classic who's good at PvZ nowadays as I cannot remember a Korean Zerg who's stable good)
On November 24 2018 01:01 deacon.frost wrote: So do I get it correctly that Serral finally met a good Korean Terran and is providing his true Banjo skills? (at work, can't watch) But still, his PvZ and ZvZ are awesome. (although I'm not sure if there's anyone except Classic who's good at PvZ nowadays as I cannot remember a Korean Zerg who's stable good)
On November 24 2018 01:01 deacon.frost wrote: So do I get it correctly that Serral finally met a good Korean Terran and is providing his true Banjo skills? (at work, can't watch) But still, his PvZ and ZvZ are awesome. (although I'm not sure if there's anyone except Classic who's good at PvZ nowadays as I cannot remember a Korean Zerg who's stable good)
Hard to say because it's a new patch
He would have 2-0ed Bunny easily last patch
The creep spread nerf is probably the biggest thing in ZvT, right?
Bunny is playing like he's the best Terran in the world right now. Easily the series of the tournament so far, the first two games are probably the games of the tournament.
On November 24 2018 01:01 deacon.frost wrote: So do I get it correctly that Serral finally met a good Korean Terran and is providing his true Banjo skills? (at work, can't watch) But still, his PvZ and ZvZ are awesome. (although I'm not sure if there's anyone except Classic who's good at PvZ nowadays as I cannot remember a Korean Zerg who's stable good)
Hard to say because it's a new patch
He would have 2-0ed Bunny easily last patch
early this year he got 4-0ed by him in an online tournament.
On November 24 2018 01:01 deacon.frost wrote: So do I get it correctly that Serral finally met a good Korean Terran and is providing his true Banjo skills? (at work, can't watch) But still, his PvZ and ZvZ are awesome. (although I'm not sure if there's anyone except Classic who's good at PvZ nowadays as I cannot remember a Korean Zerg who's stable good)
On November 24 2018 01:01 deacon.frost wrote: So do I get it correctly that Serral finally met a good Korean Terran and is providing his true Banjo skills? (at work, can't watch) But still, his PvZ and ZvZ are awesome. (although I'm not sure if there's anyone except Classic who's good at PvZ nowadays as I cannot remember a Korean Zerg who's stable good)
Hard to say because it's a new patch
He would have 2-0ed Bunny easily last patch
The creep spread nerf is probably the biggest thing in ZvT, right?
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
Tbh it's hard to win with marines only (+medivac I guess) against that many banelings.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
Tbh it's hard to win with marines only (+medivac I guess) against that many banelings.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
Tbh it's hard to win with marines only (+medivac I guess) against that many banelings.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
Tbh it's hard to win with marines only (+medivac I guess) against that many banelings.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
Tbh it's hard to win with marines only (+medivac I guess) against that many banelings.
Bomber disagrees
God damn I miss bomber walking bunch of marines into zerg bases completely ignoring the creep...
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
So as expected, problems against Terrans. Not that I'm surprised, as others mentioned, not that much training materials, they said they have to archon to prepare for Maru. Man I wish TY was there.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Yeah Inno does definitely not belong in that tier. And TaeJa has to actually show something to be talked about in that company.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Taeja lol
Tbh wouldn't be surprised if Lambo, Mana, Solar and Zest all beat him. Would be cool if he managed to do well though.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Yeah Inno does definitely not belong in that tier. And TaeJa has to actually show something to be talked about in that company.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Taeja lol
current Inno?
Sure, but taeja is incredibly ridiculous, inno one can at least make a case for
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Yeah Inno does definitely not belong in that tier. And TaeJa has to actually show something to be talked about in that company.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Taeja lol
I know right putting Maru and Taeja on the same level. Do I need to remember everyone how many games Taeja lost in 2018?
Saying this proves Serral has "weak" ZvT just underscores how well Bunny played. He played out of his mind all three games, let's give him some awesome props. I'm not sure even TY or Gumiho could have put up a better fight.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Taeja lol
current Inno?
Sure, but taeja is incredibly ridiculous, inno one can at least make a case for
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Yeah Inno does definitely not belong in that tier. And TaeJa has to actually show something to be talked about in that company.
Thinking Charoisaur makes serious posts
Sometimes he does
It's getting very hard to tell with him
On November 24 2018 01:19 Durnuu wrote: Even as a Bunny fan I have to admit Taeja is better than him, it's pretty obvious tbh
Now this one is easy for example. Durn sucks at it.
On November 24 2018 01:19 Pandain wrote: Saying this proves Serral has "weak" ZvT just underscores how well Bunny played. He played out of his mind all three games, let's give him some awesome props. I'm not sure even TY or Gumiho could have put up a better fight.
True but I think even Bunny playing out of his mind is not on the level of TaeJa in average form. I don't see Serral beating TaeJa if he plays like that.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Taeja lol
current Inno?
Sure, but taeja is incredibly ridiculous, inno one can at least make a case for
On November 24 2018 01:18 Elentos wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:17 sneakyfox wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:16 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:14 Elentos wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Yeah Inno does definitely not belong in that tier. And TaeJa has to actually show something to be talked about in that company.
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Taeja lol
current Inno?
Sure, but taeja is incredibly ridiculous, inno one can at least make a case for
On November 24 2018 01:18 Elentos wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:17 sneakyfox wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:16 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:14 Elentos wrote:
On November 24 2018 01:08 Morbidius wrote: I think any of the top tier terrans would have killed Serral after the pool snipe, Bunny mechanics failed him hard.
The tier above Bunny is not very big though.
Maru, Inno, TaeJa, TY, Gumiho
Yeah Inno does definitely not belong in that tier. And TaeJa has to actually show something to be talked about in that company.
Bunny 4-0d Serral online in 2017... Last patch(BlizzCon one) Serral would have most likely won 2-0; Serral has yet to adapt to this patch, especially against top Terran we all know are a rare sight in EU.
Thus said, i'm impressed by Bunny! He has been looking amazing the whole day and was so good at macroing and multitasking(not exactly so at the engagements, he could have won much earlier in game 1) against Serral, who in turn seemed to make a little more errors than usual.
In the end Serral still managed to win, but the games were very close and i was shivering.
On November 24 2018 01:15 Pandain wrote: I have no idea how Serral won those last two games. Absolutely insane.
He was ahead all game in the 2nd game?
Nah. He was ahead in the first half of the mid game, but when Bunny got to 5 bases and Serral was stuck on 4 bases and way down in supply, he was way behind.
On November 24 2018 01:24 Nakajin wrote: I think Mana is legit top 5 all time foreign toss, he has one of the most underrated career.
1. Naniwa 2. Lilbow 3. Neeb 4. Showtime 5. HuK
Nope
Nah I think Mana over showtime, if nothing if for the fact of longevity. Also I don't think showtimes had enough real successes to make up for that fact. If showtime had won a tournament with koreans in or something, maybe, but Mana has had decent results over his career.
On November 24 2018 01:27 Xain0n wrote: Bunny 4-0d Serral online in 2017... Last patch(BlizzCon one) Serral would have most likely won 2-0; Serral has yet to adapt to this patch, especially against top Terran we all know are a rare sight in EU.
Thus said, i'm impressed by Bunny! He has been looking amazing the whole day and was so good at macroing and multitasking(not exactly so at the engagements, he could have won much earlier in game 1) against Serral, who in turn seemed to make a little more errors than usual.
In the end Serral still managed to win, but the games were very close and i was shivering.
Bunny mech'd a ling bling hydra'ing Serral to the ground that day.
I don't think he's ranking in order, if so he just doesn't know what he's talking about because absolutely no way Lilbow above either Huk or Neeb. Just objectively wrong.
1. Neeb 2. Showtime 3. Mana If we're looking at full careers and not just peaks. What other toss (foreign or otherwise) has been solid for 8 years straight?
On November 24 2018 01:31 Zzzapper wrote: 1. Neeb 2. Showtime 3. Mana If we're looking at full careers and not just peaks. What other toss (foreign or otherwise) has been solid for 8 years straight?
On November 24 2018 01:24 Nakajin wrote: I think Mana is legit top 5 all time foreign toss, he has one of the most underrated career.
1. Naniwa 2. Lilbow 3. Neeb 4. Showtime 5. HuK
Nope
Are you fucking me with Lilbow second best foreign toss? Mana has had a better career then Lilbow, I keep the other 4 and Lilbow is probably 6th.
Lilbow made Blizzcon when it was still hard. 1 out of 2 players who made Blizzcon during the Kespa era.
God damit I'm getting baited Lilbow got to Blizcon with semi region lock WCS, he didn't really beat Korean to get in and won his final against a foreigner (Mana himself).
On November 24 2018 01:31 Zzzapper wrote: 1. Neeb 2. Showtime 3. Mana If we're looking at full careers and not just peaks. What other toss (foreign or otherwise) has been solid for 8 years straight?
There's definitely been less solid periods for Mana during that 8 years.
On November 24 2018 01:24 Nakajin wrote: I think Mana is legit top 5 all time foreign toss, he has one of the most underrated career.
1. Naniwa 2. Lilbow 3. Neeb 4. Showtime 5. HuK
Nope
Are you fucking me with Lilbow second best foreign toss? Mana has had a better career then Lilbow, I keep the other 4 and Lilbow is probably 6th.
Lilbow made Blizzcon when it was still hard. 1 out of 2 players who made Blizzcon during the Kespa era.
God damit I'm getting baited Lilbow got to Blizcon with semi region lock WCS, he didn't really beat Korean to get in and won his final against a foreigner (Mana himself).
Which version of Taeja or Maru would have beaten Serral? Definitely not the most recent ones. I agree a top form S tier korean terran would have won g2 if they were playing instead of Bunny, but Serral is not in his BlizzCon form; last patch he was looking unbeatable(yes, better than Maru) and he is still being very good here at HSC. Give him time!
Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.
Five best foreign Terrans 1. Thorzain 2. Special 3. Jinro 4. uThermal 5.Lucifron
Five Best Foreign Protosses 1. Neeb 2. Naniwa 3. Huk 4. Mana 5. Lilbow
Five Best Foreign Zergs: 1. Serral 2. Stephano 3. Snute 4. Scarlett 5. IdrA
I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.
On November 24 2018 01:24 Nakajin wrote: I think Mana is legit top 5 all time foreign toss, he has one of the most underrated career.
1. Naniwa 2. Lilbow 3. Neeb 4. Showtime 5. HuK
Nope
Are you fucking me with Lilbow second best foreign toss? Mana has had a better career then Lilbow, I keep the other 4 and Lilbow is probably 6th.
Lilbow made Blizzcon when it was still hard. 1 out of 2 players who made Blizzcon during the Kespa era.
God damit I'm getting baited Lilbow got to Blizcon with semi region lock WCS, he didn't really beat Korean to get in and won his final against a foreigner (Mana himself).
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote: Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.
Five best foreign Terrans 1. Thorzain 2. Jinro 3. uThermal 4.Lucifron 5. Bunny
Five Best Foreign Protosses 1. Neeb 2. Naniwa 3. Huk 4. Mana 5. Lilbow
Five Best Foreign Zergs: 1. Serral 2. Snute 3. Scarlett 4. IdrA 5. Ret
I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.
Hmmmm...interesting that you have Ret in that list but no Stephano.
On November 24 2018 01:36 Xain0n wrote: Which version of Taeja or Maru would have beaten Serral? Definitely not the most recent ones. I agree a top form S tier korean terran would have won g2 if they were playing instead of Bunny, but Serral is not in his BlizzCon form; last patch he was looking unbeatable(yes, better than Maru) and he is still being very good here at HSC. Give him time!
he was looking unbeatable in ZvZ and ZvP (Stats made him bleed though) but his ZvT was rather untested except one series against Inno and a showmatch vs Maru.
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote: Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.
Five best foreign Terrans 1. Thorzain 2. Jinro 3. uThermal 4.Lucifron 5. Bunny
Five Best Foreign Protosses 1. Neeb 2. Naniwa 3. Huk 4. Mana 5. Lilbow
Five Best Foreign Zergs: 1. Serral 2. Snute 3. Scarlett 4. IdrA 5. Ret
I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.
What about Special the Starcraft 2 Terran player ?
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote: Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.
Five best foreign Terrans 1. Thorzain 2. Jinro 3. uThermal 4.Lucifron 5. Bunny
Five Best Foreign Protosses 1. Neeb 2. Naniwa 3. Huk 4. Mana 5. Lilbow
Five Best Foreign Zergs: 1. Serral 2. Snute 3. Scarlett 4. IdrA 5. Ret
I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote: Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.
Five best foreign Terrans 1. Thorzain 2. Jinro 3. uThermal 4.Lucifron 5. Bunny
Five Best Foreign Protosses 1. Neeb 2. Naniwa 3. Huk 4. Mana 5. Lilbow
Five Best Foreign Zergs: 1. Serral 2. Snute 3. Scarlett 4. IdrA 5. Ret
I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.
I think Special need to make the list for the Terrans, maybe showtime above Lilbow too. And you are missing Stephano. Edit: Nerchio as a case for it too
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote: Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.
Five best foreign Terrans 1. Thorzain 2. Jinro 3. uThermal 4.Lucifron 5. Bunny
Five Best Foreign Protosses 1. Neeb 2. Naniwa 3. Huk 4. Mana 5. Lilbow
Five Best Foreign Zergs: 1. Serral 2. Snute 3. Scarlett 4. IdrA 5. Ret
I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.
Hmmmm...interesting that you have Ret in that list but no Stephano.
ooooops hahaha forgot about him. Too many legends in SC2 history.
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote: Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.
Five best foreign Terrans 1. Thorzain 2. Jinro 3. uThermal 4.Lucifron 5. Bunny
Five Best Foreign Protosses 1. Neeb 2. Naniwa 3. Huk 4. Mana 5. Lilbow
Five Best Foreign Zergs: 1. Serral 2. Snute 3. Scarlett 4. IdrA 5. Ret
I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.
On November 24 2018 01:36 Pandain wrote: Ignoring char trolling, it's an interesting discussion.
Five best foreign Terrans 1. Thorzain 2. Jinro 3. uThermal 4.Lucifron 5. Bunny
Five Best Foreign Protosses 1. Neeb 2. Naniwa 3. Huk 4. Mana 5. Lilbow
Five Best Foreign Zergs: 1. Serral 2. Snute 3. Scarlett 4. IdrA 5. Ret
I didn't take out a list of all previous players, so I easily could have forgotten someone who should sneak into 4 or 5, but im pretty confident about the top 3 of each.
Nerchio > Ret 100%
But Ret basically = Idra
yeah both out and Steph and Nerch in. 1. Serral 2. Stephano 3. Snute 4. Scarlett 5. Nerchio
As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
On November 24 2018 01:42 Anc13nt wrote: As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Mostly depends on Reynor I think, the guy has improved so much and at Montreal he was already so close. I could imagine Reynor winning all 4 next year (if there is WCS next year, idk what's the plan for next year).
On November 24 2018 01:42 Anc13nt wrote: As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Mostly depends on Reynor I think, the guy has improved so much and at Montreal he was already so close. I could imagine Reynor winning all 4 next year (if there is WCS next year, idk what's the plan for next year).
I also still have Neeb and Elazer on the radar. They can definitely compete with Serral for the trophies.
On November 24 2018 01:42 Anc13nt wrote: As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Mostly depends on Reynor I think, the guy has improved so much and at Montreal he was already so close. I could imagine Reynor winning all 4 next year (if there is WCS next year, idk what's the plan for next year).
And after Montreal lost to Serral 1-3 in the Ultimate Series.
On November 24 2018 01:42 Anc13nt wrote: As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Mostly depends on Reynor I think, the guy has improved so much and at Montreal he was already so close. I could imagine Reynor winning all 4 next year (if there is WCS next year, idk what's the plan for next year).
And after Montreal lost to Serral 1-3 in the Ultimate Series.
The gap is not closing.
If you're gonna use ultimate series might as well mention that Neeb 3-0 Serral
On November 24 2018 01:42 Anc13nt wrote: As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Mostly depends on Reynor I think, the guy has improved so much and at Montreal he was already so close. I could imagine Reynor winning all 4 next year (if there is WCS next year, idk what's the plan for next year).
And after Montreal lost to Serral 1-3 in the Ultimate Series.
The gap is not closing.
Reynor just didn't take him seriously in that event. Once he starts preparing for him he will beat him easily.
On November 24 2018 01:42 Anc13nt wrote: As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Mostly depends on Reynor I think, the guy has improved so much and at Montreal he was already so close. I could imagine Reynor winning all 4 next year (if there is WCS next year, idk what's the plan for next year).
And after Montreal lost to Serral 1-3 in the Ultimate Series.
The gap is not closing.
If you're gonna use ultimate series might as well mention that Neeb 3-0 Serral
Yeah Reynor was also preparing for Blizzcon and didn't want to show anything in his ZvZ.
On November 24 2018 01:42 Anc13nt wrote: As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Mostly depends on Reynor I think, the guy has improved so much and at Montreal he was already so close. I could imagine Reynor winning all 4 next year (if there is WCS next year, idk what's the plan for next year).
And after Montreal lost to Serral 1-3 in the Ultimate Series.
The gap is not closing.
Reynor just didn't take him seriously in that event. Once he starts preparing for him he will beat him easily.
Just like the Koreans. Serral wouldn't stand a chance in GSL and that's why he's scared to go there.
On November 24 2018 01:42 Anc13nt wrote: As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Mostly depends on Reynor I think, the guy has improved so much and at Montreal he was already so close. I could imagine Reynor winning all 4 next year (if there is WCS next year, idk what's the plan for next year).
And after Montreal lost to Serral 1-3 in the Ultimate Series.
The gap is not closing.
Reynor just didn't take him seriously in that event. Once he starts preparing for him he will beat him easily.
Just like the Koreans. Serral wouldn't stand a chance in GSL and that's why he's scared to go there.
On November 24 2018 01:42 Anc13nt wrote: As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Mostly depends on Reynor I think, the guy has improved so much and at Montreal he was already so close. I could imagine Reynor winning all 4 next year (if there is WCS next year, idk what's the plan for next year).
And after Montreal lost to Serral 1-3 in the Ultimate Series.
The gap is not closing.
Reynor just didn't take him seriously in that event. Once he starts preparing for him he will beat him easily.
Just like the Koreans. Serral wouldn't stand a chance in GSL and that's why he's scared to go there.
On November 24 2018 01:42 Anc13nt wrote: As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Mostly depends on Reynor I think, the guy has improved so much and at Montreal he was already so close. I could imagine Reynor winning all 4 next year (if there is WCS next year, idk what's the plan for next year).
And after Montreal lost to Serral 1-3 in the Ultimate Series.
The gap is not closing.
If you're gonna use ultimate series might as well mention that Neeb 3-0 Serral
Yeah Reynor was also preparing for Blizzcon and didn't want to show anything in his ZvZ.
On November 24 2018 02:00 Weavel wrote: Hellraiser got a map from Serral?
He almost won game 3 with cannons too, they showed it on the Korean stream.
Serral cancelled his natural and built a proxy hatch on Hellraiser's side of the map, but it was scouted and stopped by cannons. Ended up with an intense micro battle between ravagers and immortals at the top of the ramp to Serral's natural, and Serral barely won by killing the pylon that was powering everything including the shield batteries.
On November 24 2018 01:42 Anc13nt wrote: As good as Serral is, very few Starcraft players dominate for years. Not saying that he will become bad next year or anything crazy like that but I don't think he will win like 4 WCS again (I think probably he will win 2, maybe 3). I would say the only players who've been consistently top level for basically all of LotV are Stats, Dark, and TY.
Mostly depends on Reynor I think, the guy has improved so much and at Montreal he was already so close. I could imagine Reynor winning all 4 next year (if there is WCS next year, idk what's the plan for next year).
And after Montreal lost to Serral 1-3 in the Ultimate Series.
The gap is not closing.
If you're gonna use ultimate series might as well mention that Neeb 3-0 Serral
Yeah Reynor was also preparing for Blizzcon and didn't want to show anything in his ZvZ.
(:
Neeb also had to prepare for Blizzcon
Not really against zerg.
Just saying that Serral had way less reason to give it his best than Reynor did.
But yeah Reynor will still likely be one of the tougher opponents for Serral next year even though Reynor wen't 4-10 during the last four and a half months against him. Won't disagree with that.
Hm as for Aligulac it depends on his last two matches. If he goes 2-0, 2-0 he'd be 4-1 vs T, 4-1 vs P, 6-1 vs Z and that shouldn't make him lose points. Probably a marginal gain
On November 24 2018 02:44 Paljas wrote: is there still hope for soo to advance? how do the tiebreakers work?
If he 2-0's Hellraiser, Bunny (can't manage better than 2-1 at this point) and Serral (2-0) beat Stephano and Stephano beats Bly (2-1) I think soO can still advance.
On November 24 2018 03:03 Paljas wrote: why isnt he going tanks vs nothing but banelings and hydras
Really seems a bit odd, tbh. Anyway, I like how Stephano is playing here. I'm not the most active SCII viewer anymore, but seeing Stephano play that well is a good thing for me :-P
Am I the only one who still feels a moment of relief when watching foreigner Zergs who end up on the back foot, and there's a half second of panic but then I remember: Oh yeah, I'm not watching Idra.
I love watching comebacks like this. Great work by Stephano.
On November 24 2018 03:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Woah, Taeja 2-0'd Zest?
This HSC isn't going how I thought at all. Were the games good?
Nobody knows! Nobody showed it
wtf?! I know they can't fit in every game, but that should've been a priority match. Hell, all of Taeja's games should be. Only player here with more intrigue is maybe Serral
On November 24 2018 03:09 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Woah, Taeja 2-0'd Zest?
This HSC isn't going how I thought at all. Were the games good?
Nobody knows! Nobody showed it
wtf?! I know they can't fit in every game, but that should've been a priority match. Hell, all of Taeja's games should be. Only player here with more intrigue is maybe Serral
Absolutely.
At least they are showing three of TaeJa's games on main stream later.
Is the next Stephano game streamed somewhere? And is there some kind of schedule somewhere? The order of play on Liquipedia doesn't really make any sense.
On November 24 2018 03:26 Swisslink wrote: Is the next Stephano game streamed somewhere? And is there some kind of schedule somewhere? The order of play on Liquipedia doesn't really make any sense.
the order we posted on reddit is the order we use + additional stuff if we have the time. Others can cross-play what they like otherwise the System isnt able to be done below 15 Hours.
On November 24 2018 03:26 Swisslink wrote: Is the next Stephano game streamed somewhere? And is there some kind of schedule somewhere? The order of play on Liquipedia doesn't really make any sense.
the order we posted on reddit is the order we use + additional stuff if we have the time. Others can cross-play what they like otherwise the System isnt able to be done below 15 Hours.
In other words, the main stream is this, and the rest is pure anarchy
It's not really dangerous for Trap as far as I can tell.
Assuming Stephano loses to Serral, the Bly-Stephano match is for going 4-3 and thereby only tying Trap. So it's going to be Serral, Bunny, Trap, and Stephano/Bly advancing from group C (but not necessarily in that order).
Steph is so shitty in zvz There are no decent pro zergs who lose against baneling/muta while securing a 190pop hydras/lurkers with hive but he achieves it masterfully. Such a shame considering his other mu.
On November 24 2018 04:06 deacon.frost wrote: Demu isn't watching SC2 lately, right? Calling soO one of the best zergs is weird. No offense to soO, but he's bad this year.
On November 24 2018 04:06 deacon.frost wrote: Demu isn't watching SC2 lately, right? Calling soO one of the best zergs is weird. No offense to soO, but he's bad this year.
Still top 4 Zerg in Korea
Well, how many Zergs are there? 5? But seriously, he's really worse than he used to be.
On November 24 2018 04:05 stilt wrote: Steph is so shitty in zvz There are no decent pro zergs who lose against baneling/muta while securing a 190pop hydras/lurkers with hive vut he achieves it masterfully. Such a shame considering his other mu.
That one looked really clueless on Stepahno's part. I mean, I lose to Mutalisks all the time in ZvZ, but I'd expect Stephano to know what to do/to have the control to prevent that from happening.
On November 24 2018 04:06 deacon.frost wrote: Demu isn't watching SC2 lately, right? Calling soO one of the best zergs is weird. No offense to soO, but he's bad this year.
Still top 4 Zerg in Korea
Well, how many Zergs are there? 5? But seriously, he's really worse than he used to be.
On November 24 2018 04:06 deacon.frost wrote: Demu isn't watching SC2 lately, right? Calling soO one of the best zergs is weird. No offense to soO, but he's bad this year.
Still top 4 Zerg in Korea
Well, how many Zergs are there? 5? But seriously, he's really worse than he used to be.
Let's see, there's Rogue, Dark, soO, Solar, Leenock, Impact, Ragnarok, DRG just came back, and Losira hasn't retired yet I think
On November 24 2018 04:06 deacon.frost wrote: Demu isn't watching SC2 lately, right? Calling soO one of the best zergs is weird. No offense to soO, but he's bad this year.
On November 24 2018 04:06 deacon.frost wrote: Demu isn't watching SC2 lately, right? Calling soO one of the best zergs is weird. No offense to soO, but he's bad this year.
Still top 4 Zerg in Korea
Dark/Rogue, Solar, Leenock ?
If we're talking across the year, soO finished higher in WCS Korea and he recently won that Chinese tournament where the only other good player was Scarlett.
On November 24 2018 04:06 deacon.frost wrote: Demu isn't watching SC2 lately, right? Calling soO one of the best zergs is weird. No offense to soO, but he's bad this year.
On November 24 2018 04:06 deacon.frost wrote: Demu isn't watching SC2 lately, right? Calling soO one of the best zergs is weird. No offense to soO, but he's bad this year.
Still top 4 Zerg in Korea
Dark/Rogue, Solar, Leenock ?
If we're talking across the year, soO finished higher in WCS Korea and he recently won that Chinese tournament where the only other good player was Scarlett.
Yay, soO was able to win a tournament without a competition! Good for him.
Honestly, he used to be the best Zerg around. By far. Similarly to Maru/TY vs Bunny levels. I'm not saying Bunny is bad, but he's worse than these two by a fair margin. Currently the top Zergs in Korea aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed and soO is worse with this margin, which makes him much worse than he used to be. I still love him, I believe in him being good again and I would love him pulling a Maru the next season of Code S. But at this moment he's bad. No matter if he's 4th, 5th or 2nd.
On November 24 2018 04:06 deacon.frost wrote: Demu isn't watching SC2 lately, right? Calling soO one of the best zergs is weird. No offense to soO, but he's bad this year.
On November 24 2018 04:17 Boucot wrote: Well, beating Serral is gonna be slightly complicated for Stephano.
How much of a drinker is Serral? He's already qualified and therefore the last match won't matter on his piart. If he's drunk (more drunk than Stephano, or at leat less used to play drunk than Stephano) the Frenchman might have a shot.
On November 24 2018 04:17 Boucot wrote: Well, beating Serral is gonna be slightly complicated for Stephano.
How much of a drinker is Serral? He's already qualified and therefore the last match won't matter on his piart. If he's drunk (more drunk than Stephano, or at leat less used to play drunk than Stephano) the Frenchman might have a shot.
How much does the best player in the world have to drink before he loses to a guy who looked clueless vs Bly?
On November 24 2018 04:17 Boucot wrote: Well, beating Serral is gonna be slightly complicated for Stephano.
How much of a drinker is Serral? He's already qualified and therefore the last match won't matter on his piart. If he's drunk (more drunk than Stephano, or at leat less used to play drunk than Stephano) the Frenchman might have a shot.
Maybe they pull a quick one and he lets him win to push out trap
On November 24 2018 04:17 Boucot wrote: Well, beating Serral is gonna be slightly complicated for Stephano.
How much of a drinker is Serral? He's already qualified and therefore the last match won't matter on his piart. If he's drunk (more drunk than Stephano, or at leat less used to play drunk than Stephano) the Frenchman might have a shot.
On November 24 2018 04:17 Boucot wrote: Well, beating Serral is gonna be slightly complicated for Stephano.
How much of a drinker is Serral? He's already qualified and therefore the last match won't matter on his piart. If he's drunk (more drunk than Stephano, or at leat less used to play drunk than Stephano) the Frenchman might have a shot.
How much does the best player in the world have to drink before he loses to a guy who looked clueless vs Bly?
How about Stephano drags the game so long Serral falls asleep?
On November 24 2018 04:17 Boucot wrote: Well, beating Serral is gonna be slightly complicated for Stephano.
How much of a drinker is Serral? He's already qualified and therefore the last match won't matter on his piart. If he's drunk (more drunk than Stephano, or at leat less used to play drunk than Stephano) the Frenchman might have a shot.
How much does the best player in the world have to drink before he loses to a guy who looked clueless vs Bly?
On November 24 2018 04:17 Boucot wrote: Well, beating Serral is gonna be slightly complicated for Stephano.
How much of a drinker is Serral? He's already qualified and therefore the last match won't matter on his piart. If he's drunk (more drunk than Stephano, or at leat less used to play drunk than Stephano) the Frenchman might have a shot.
On November 24 2018 04:17 Boucot wrote: Well, beating Serral is gonna be slightly complicated for Stephano.
How much of a drinker is Serral? He's already qualified and therefore the last match won't matter on his piart. If he's drunk (more drunk than Stephano, or at leat less used to play drunk than Stephano) the Frenchman might have a shot.
How much does the best player in the world have to drink before he loses to a guy who looked clueless vs Bly?
A lot, that's why I'm asking. :-P
Can Serral's body even take in that much alcohol without someone having to call an ambulance so the headline tomorrow isn't "StarCraft II World Champion dies of alcohol poisoning"
On November 24 2018 04:15 deacon.frost wrote: Currently the top Zergs in Korea aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed
I'd like to refer you to Dark going through the Korean WESG qualifiers without dropping a map
Yeah soO has a bad year.
And yet he lost twice to Serral without winning a map(I hope I remember it correctly, fuck, probably not, well, if not, let Jake AllTheRegrets eat another shoe! )
On November 24 2018 04:24 Gandie wrote: He not only has to win, but he can't drop a map right? He needs the 10-7 map score.
10 - 8 should be better than 9 - 7, shouldn't it?
Not sure, I'd guess H2H is worth more than number of maps (but less than map average)
Okay, but even then. Apparently Trap is at a 8-7 Mapscore. So 10-8 is definitely better than 8-7. And they both would have 4-3 in matches. So Trap can still drop out here, apparently.
On November 24 2018 04:05 stilt wrote: Steph is so shitty in zvz There are no decent pro zergs who lose against baneling/muta while securing a 190pop hydras/lurkers with hive vut he achieves it masterfully. Such a shame considering his other mu.
That one looked really clueless on Stepahno's part. I mean, I lose to Mutalisks all the time in ZvZ, but I'd expect Stephano to know what to do/to have the control to prevent that from happening.
This is so frustrating honestly. Same for the second game he had 0 map awareness, 3 times 2 banes managed to sneak in his mineral lines.
On November 24 2018 04:39 DieuCure wrote: According to challonge Stephano won 2-0 against Serral ...
oh dear god no....we missed that one too ;;?
Former GOAT foreigner vs his successor ....
Na, it wasn't played. I was on Ogaming the entire time and it never started. Apparently Serral forfeited. And since it's H2H > Mapscore, it makes sense. No reason to play a game that's meaningless for both players.
On November 24 2018 04:48 Elentos wrote: Wait, if the tie breaker is head to head before map score, why is Rogue out instead of Harstem?
That couldn't be right then.
Yeah, that's the case I used as reference. Maybe Stephano simply didn't want to play?!
It makes really little sense. Maybe Stephano thought it's H2H and therefore didn't play? No idea. I just don't see Stephano not wanting to play if there's a chance to advance.
On November 24 2018 04:48 Elentos wrote: Wait, if the tie breaker is head to head before map score, why is Rogue out instead of Harstem?
That couldn't be right then.
Yeah, that's the case I used as reference. Maybe Stephano simply didn't want to play?!
It makes really little sense. Maybe Stephano thought it's H2H and therefore didn't play? No idea. I just don't see Stephano not wanting to play if there's a chance to advance.
I would guess he just doesn't think he can beat Serral.
On November 24 2018 04:48 Elentos wrote: Wait, if the tie breaker is head to head before map score, why is Rogue out instead of Harstem?
That couldn't be right then.
Yeah, that's the case I used as reference. Maybe Stephano simply didn't want to play?!
It makes really little sense. Maybe Stephano thought it's H2H and therefore didn't play? No idea. I just don't see Stephano not wanting to play if there's a chance to advance.
I would guess he just doesn't think he can beat Serral.
With his ZvZ I can see why he said - fuck it, save the time, let us drink and give him the 2-0 he will get otherwise
On November 24 2018 04:48 Elentos wrote: Wait, if the tie breaker is head to head before map score, why is Rogue out instead of Harstem?
That couldn't be right then.
Yeah, that's the case I used as reference. Maybe Stephano simply didn't want to play?!
It makes really little sense. Maybe Stephano thought it's H2H and therefore didn't play? No idea. I just don't see Stephano not wanting to play if there's a chance to advance.
I would guess he just doesn't think he can beat Serral.
With his ZvZ I can see why he said - fuck it, save the time, let us drink and give him the 2-0 he will get otherwise
I mean, chances were low, not gonna argue there. However, he would have played a player who was already guaranteed first place and if there's a weird lucky punch, he could have taken it. Even if all odds were against him, why wouldn't he give it a shot? I don't think that's the case, tbh.
On November 24 2018 04:48 Elentos wrote: Wait, if the tie breaker is head to head before map score, why is Rogue out instead of Harstem?
That couldn't be right then.
Yeah, that's the case I used as reference. Maybe Stephano simply didn't want to play?!
It makes really little sense. Maybe Stephano thought it's H2H and therefore didn't play? No idea. I just don't see Stephano not wanting to play if there's a chance to advance.
I would guess he just doesn't think he can beat Serral.
With his ZvZ I can see why he said - fuck it, save the time, let us drink and give him the 2-0 he will get otherwise
I mean, chances were low, not gonna argue there. However, he would have played a player who was already guaranteed first place and if there's a weird lucky punch, he could have taken it. Even if all odds were against him, why wouldn't he give it a shot? I don't think that's the case, tbh.
On November 24 2018 04:48 Elentos wrote: Wait, if the tie breaker is head to head before map score, why is Rogue out instead of Harstem?
That couldn't be right then.
Yeah, that's the case I used as reference. Maybe Stephano simply didn't want to play?!
It makes really little sense. Maybe Stephano thought it's H2H and therefore didn't play? No idea. I just don't see Stephano not wanting to play if there's a chance to advance.
I would guess he just doesn't think he can beat Serral.
With his ZvZ I can see why he said - fuck it, save the time, let us drink and give him the 2-0 he will get otherwise
I mean, chances were low, not gonna argue there. However, he would have played a player who was already guaranteed first place and if there's a weird lucky punch, he could have taken it. Even if all odds were against him, why wouldn't he give it a shot? I don't think that's the case, tbh.
Well we don't know, so unless there's an official statement, let's run the fantasy wild!
On November 24 2018 04:48 Elentos wrote: Wait, if the tie breaker is head to head before map score, why is Rogue out instead of Harstem?
That couldn't be right then.
Yeah, that's the case I used as reference. Maybe Stephano simply didn't want to play?!
It makes really little sense. Maybe Stephano thought it's H2H and therefore didn't play? No idea. I just don't see Stephano not wanting to play if there's a chance to advance.
I would guess he just doesn't think he can beat Serral.
With his ZvZ I can see why he said - fuck it, save the time, let us drink and give him the 2-0 he will get otherwise
I mean, chances were low, not gonna argue there. However, he would have played a player who was already guaranteed first place and if there's a weird lucky punch, he could have taken it. Even if all odds were against him, why wouldn't he give it a shot? I don't think that's the case, tbh.
It's Stephano
Has he done such a thing before? I know he doesn't take the game too seriously, but I always though of him as a guy who wouldn't just give up.
On November 24 2018 04:48 Elentos wrote: Wait, if the tie breaker is head to head before map score, why is Rogue out instead of Harstem?
That couldn't be right then.
Yeah, that's the case I used as reference. Maybe Stephano simply didn't want to play?!
It makes really little sense. Maybe Stephano thought it's H2H and therefore didn't play? No idea. I just don't see Stephano not wanting to play if there's a chance to advance.
I would guess he just doesn't think he can beat Serral.
With his ZvZ I can see why he said - fuck it, save the time, let us drink and give him the 2-0 he will get otherwise
I mean, chances were low, not gonna argue there. However, he would have played a player who was already guaranteed first place and if there's a weird lucky punch, he could have taken it. Even if all odds were against him, why wouldn't he give it a shot? I don't think that's the case, tbh.
It's Stephano
Has he done such a thing before? I know he doesn't take the game too seriously, but I always though of him as a guy who wouldn't just give up.
I think of him as a guy who is okay with getting wasted 20 minutes earlier and skipping 2 games.
On November 24 2018 04:48 Elentos wrote: Wait, if the tie breaker is head to head before map score, why is Rogue out instead of Harstem?
That couldn't be right then.
Yeah, that's the case I used as reference. Maybe Stephano simply didn't want to play?!
It makes really little sense. Maybe Stephano thought it's H2H and therefore didn't play? No idea. I just don't see Stephano not wanting to play if there's a chance to advance.
I would guess he just doesn't think he can beat Serral.
With his ZvZ I can see why he said - fuck it, save the time, let us drink and give him the 2-0 he will get otherwise
I mean, chances were low, not gonna argue there. However, he would have played a player who was already guaranteed first place and if there's a weird lucky punch, he could have taken it. Even if all odds were against him, why wouldn't he give it a shot? I don't think that's the case, tbh.
It's Stephano
Has he done such a thing before? I know he doesn't take the game too seriously, but I always though of him as a guy who wouldn't just give up.
No, that's hardly surprising to be honest. And there's beer easily available here.
On November 24 2018 05:15 NarutO wrote: Stephano could have advanced with both 2-0 and 2-1 over Serral ending with a better map difference compared to Trap.
On November 24 2018 05:14 Luolis wrote: i cant math
On November 24 2018 05:00 Penev wrote: Still someone should get on twitter and ask
SGTK?
I was taking a nap. What did I miss?
Serral v Steph wasn't played apparently but steph might've still made it theoratically according to liquipiddy mapscores but it seems those were just wrong
On November 24 2018 05:15 NarutO wrote: Stephano could have advanced with both 2-0 and 2-1 over Serral ending with a better map difference compared to Trap.
On November 24 2018 05:15 NarutO wrote: Stephano could have advanced with both 2-0 and 2-1 over Serral ending with a better map difference compared to Trap.
On November 24 2018 05:14 Luolis wrote: i cant math
Neither can progamers apparently.
IF the progamers can't, whoever took the result (and accepted it) should have realized that something's iffy.
On November 24 2018 05:15 NarutO wrote: Stephano could have advanced with both 2-0 and 2-1 over Serral ending with a better map difference compared to Trap.
On November 24 2018 05:14 Luolis wrote: i cant math
Neither can progamers apparently.
IF the progamers can't, whoever took the result (and accepted it) should have realized that something's iffy.
MaNa 2-1 Taeja
Wait, during the rap break or before TaeJa vs Drogo?
On November 24 2018 05:12 Plexi wrote: "Joona Sotala
@ENCE_Serral 29s29 seconds ago More Didn't change the score so we decided not to play it."
Very confusing.
He just thought that if he won or lost it wouldn't matter since he had already won. However, they probably didn't realize they could have pushed trap out.
On November 24 2018 05:15 NarutO wrote: Stephano could have advanced with both 2-0 and 2-1 over Serral ending with a better map difference compared to Trap.
On November 24 2018 05:14 Luolis wrote: i cant math
Neither can progamers apparently.
IF the progamers can't, whoever took the result (and accepted it) should have realized that something's iffy.
MaNa 2-1 Taeja
Wait, during the rap break or before TaeJa vs Drogo?
On November 24 2018 05:12 Plexi wrote: "Joona Sotala
@ENCE_Serral 29s29 seconds ago More Didn't change the score so we decided not to play it."
Very confusing.
He just thought that if he won or lost it wouldn't matter since he had already won. However, they probably didn't realize they could have pushed trap out.
How? I thought since Trap already won vs. Stephano he'd still be ahead.
On November 24 2018 05:12 Plexi wrote: "Joona Sotala
@ENCE_Serral 29s29 seconds ago More Didn't change the score so we decided not to play it."
Very confusing.
He just thought that if he won or lost it wouldn't matter since he had already won. However, they probably didn't realize they could have pushed trap out.
How? I thought since Trap already won vs. Stephano he'd still be ahead.
On November 24 2018 05:12 Plexi wrote: "Joona Sotala
@ENCE_Serral 29s29 seconds ago More Didn't change the score so we decided not to play it."
Very confusing.
He just thought that if he won or lost it wouldn't matter since he had already won. However, they probably didn't realize they could have pushed trap out.
How? I thought since Trap already won vs. Stephano he'd still be ahead.
On November 24 2018 05:12 Plexi wrote: "Joona Sotala
@ENCE_Serral 29s29 seconds ago More Didn't change the score so we decided not to play it."
Very confusing.
He just thought that if he won or lost it wouldn't matter since he had already won. However, they probably didn't realize they could have pushed trap out.
How? I thought since Trap already won vs. Stephano he'd still be ahead.
On November 24 2018 05:12 Plexi wrote: "Joona Sotala
@ENCE_Serral 29s29 seconds ago More Didn't change the score so we decided not to play it."
Very confusing.
He just thought that if he won or lost it wouldn't matter since he had already won. However, they probably didn't realize they could have pushed trap out.
How? I thought since Trap already won vs. Stephano he'd still be ahead.
Solar is a God. I've been waiting for him to win some more tournaments again. I feel like he's been sick good for a while just hasn't... delivered always
Solar is such a nice guy, and his english is really good. Serral really gets a lot of respect from the korean players now, the hunt for him has already begun. Exciting times we live in. Will be interesting to see if they can catch him before Reynor does.
On November 24 2018 06:24 Rob-Zero wrote: Solar is such a nice guy, and his english is really good. Serral really gets a lot of respect from the korean players now, the hunt for him has already begun. Exciting times we live in. Will be interesting to see if they can catch him before Reynor does.
Reynor - and also other top WCS players - at the very least have the benefit of meeting Serral more often in tournaments. More chances.
On November 24 2018 06:21 sneakyfox wrote: Solar is such a boss!
Have no idea why Splyce dropped him
Who knows if Splyce dropped him or he dropped Splyce. He's a nice guy but he's absurdly inconsistent.
Given the current team situation for Korean players I can't imagine he dropped splyce. I can't imagine he was earning enough that any team cut would be less than a regular salary either.
On November 24 2018 06:24 Rob-Zero wrote: Solar is such a nice guy, and his english is really good. Serral really gets a lot of respect from the korean players now, the hunt for him has already begun. Exciting times we live in. Will be interesting to see if they can catch him before Reynor does.
Reynor - and also other top WCS players - at the very least have the benefit of meeting Serral more often in tournaments. More chances.
True. But somewhat early next year there will be IEM and WESG, so the korean players have some shots, too.
On November 24 2018 06:24 Rob-Zero wrote: Solar is such a nice guy, and his english is really good. Serral really gets a lot of respect from the korean players now, the hunt for him has already begun. Exciting times we live in. Will be interesting to see if they can catch him before Reynor does.
Reynor - and also other top WCS players - at the very least have the benefit of meeting Serral more often in tournaments. More chances.
True. But somewhat early next year there will be IEM
Why did it seem so obvious, even when Taeja was maxed out with decent income and upgrades against Solar, that he was going to lose? Because he didn't really damage Solar's worker count, kill bases or force some really unfavorable trades with mines etc.?
It feels like the creep spread nerf is making no difference to creep spread in any of these games. I guess it was a pretty small nerf but I'm surprised.
On November 24 2018 06:43 LordYama wrote: Why did it seem so obvious, even when Taeja was maxed out with decent income and upgrades against Solar, that he was going to lose? Because he didn't really damage Solar's worker count, kill bases or force some really unfavorable trades with mines etc.?
Never manage to slow down Solar, most zerg are ok with long game against terran as long as you keep it on the outside and just deflect everything, at some point there is just to much creep and to much bases and Terran just get overwhelm. But ya you pretty much said it yourself
On November 24 2018 06:47 JJH777 wrote: It feels like the creep spread nerf is making no difference to creep spread in any of these games. I guess it was a pretty small nerf but I'm surprised.
It's start up slower tho, so it's a bit easier to contain it.
Really proud of that nerd wholeheartedly hating his military service time
But I think he missed one good point of it: he seems to be much more motivated than before and his wrists probably got some badly needed rest this way.
On November 24 2018 07:49 Pandain wrote: EU zvz better than Korean zvz confirmed?
That's kinda known since Serral had a lot more trouble at WCS Montreal than at Blizzcon. Lambo almost beat him there too. Then again, so did Scarlett.
And Reynor
I know, he was the closest to it. The game 6 of that series was imo the best game to watch live this year.
Foreignerland has a lot of great zergs to offer, even besides Serral while Korean zergs are struggling. It's where the gap has been closed you could say.
The casters on stream B should know that if Drogo wins here he is in upper bracket which is a massive advantage. There's no chance of him playing more relaxed.
On November 24 2018 08:25 JJH777 wrote: The casters on stream B should know that if Drogo wins here he is in upper bracket which is a massive advantage. There's no chance of him playing more relaxed.
Surely you'd still be a bit more relaxed knowing you're not gonna be eliminated?
On November 24 2018 08:41 Fango wrote: If Zest wins even 2-1 he advances. 2-1 would put him on par with drogo and he'd get 4th from h2h
Normally 9-8 is better than 8-7, but dunno what they do here.
Imo those should be considered equal and head to head should be considered in that case. The extra win doesn't matter cause there's also an extra loss.
On November 24 2018 08:41 Fango wrote: If Zest wins even 2-1 he advances. 2-1 would put him on par with drogo and he'd get 4th from h2h
Normally 9-8 is better than 8-7, but dunno what they do here.
Imo those should be considered equal and head to head should be considered in that case. The extra win doesn't matter cause there's also an extra loss.
On November 24 2018 08:41 Fango wrote: If Zest wins even 2-1 he advances. 2-1 would put him on par with drogo and he'd get 4th from h2h
Normally 9-8 is better than 8-7, but dunno what they do here.
Imo those should be considered equal and head to head should be considered in that case. The extra win doesn't matter cause there's also an extra loss.
Yeah agree with that. It's definitely an insignificant difference either way, so it should be h2h.
On November 24 2018 08:41 Fango wrote: If Zest wins even 2-1 he advances. 2-1 would put him on par with drogo and he'd get 4th from h2h
Normally 9-8 is better than 8-7, but dunno what they do here.
Imo those should be considered equal and head to head should be considered in that case. The extra win doesn't matter cause there's also an extra loss.
Yeah agree with that. It's definitely an insignificant difference either way, so it should be h2h.
On November 24 2018 09:02 HolydaKing wrote: Pretty awful play from Lambo, and he knows it from the way he looks. He needs to learn from Serral's ZvP.
Lambo's ZvP is extremely good, he just played really bad today. He seemed pretty off the entire day tbh, in all matchups.
He probably expected too much (IIRC he trained a lot after Serral's WCS win), started off badly and fell apart mentally.
Tbh, he didn't have particularly high expectations going into the tournament, and considering how confident Lambo normally is, I think that says something about his preparation since Blizzcon.
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