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On October 29 2018 02:20 TentativePanda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 02:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 02:18 TentativePanda wrote:
What's the format for RO8? Is it group A vs group B/C/D? Randomized I believe (with players from the same group on opposite sides and first place finishers vs second place finishers as usual). Ah okay thanks! I hope Serral and Maru aren't on the same side of the bracket
Fortunately, it's unlikely they will be 
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On October 29 2018 02:21 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 02:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 02:13 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 02:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 Ej_ wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
kinda feel bad for Lambo, you can tell he was counting on winning g1 and 2.
Dreamcatcher is very hard vs terrans who know their business 50-50 map so should be ok if he has equal skill Ah yes the infamous 50-50* map that zergs happen to veto all the time. * statistics from Liquipedia pulling from unknown pool of tournaments maps are either even or OP for zerg, you should've learned that by now  At one point the stats for Darkness Sanctuary heavily favoured terran because the stats were pulled from like 1 GSL game, a few ONPOONG games, and half a dozen games from some teamleague between diamond players. Dreamcatcher is 49.6/50.4 over more than 360 games The problem wasn't the sample size, the problem was that the sample was awful. Adding more games doesn't change that. Anyone would tell you that Dreamcatcher favours terran. I thought the general consensus about Dreamcatcher is that it isn't as terran favoured as it initially seemed. It is still ofc, a good man for terran.
True enough. Calling it a 50-50 map is still pretty disingenuous.
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Let's see if the miracle happens and Heromarine wins a map. Should be easy 2-0 for sOs.
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On October 29 2018 02:22 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 02:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 02:13 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 02:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 Ej_ wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
kinda feel bad for Lambo, you can tell he was counting on winning g1 and 2.
Dreamcatcher is very hard vs terrans who know their business 50-50 map so should be ok if he has equal skill Ah yes the infamous 50-50* map that zergs happen to veto all the time. * statistics from Liquipedia pulling from unknown pool of tournaments maps are either even or OP for zerg, you should've learned that by now At one point the stats for Darkness Sanctuary heavily favoured terran because the stats were pulled from like 1 GSL game, a few ONPOONG games, and half a dozen games from some teamleague between diamond players. Dreamcatcher is 49.6/50.4 over more than 360 games The problem wasn't the sample size, the problem was that the sample was awful. Adding more games doesn't change that. Anyone would tell you that Dreamcatcher favours terran. Agreed. Statistics are only meaningful when they align with my opinion.
If I wanted those worthless map statistics to align with my opinion, I'd organize a showmatch.
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France12907 Posts
On October 29 2018 02:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 02:21 blooblooblahblah wrote:On October 29 2018 02:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 02:13 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 02:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 Ej_ wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
kinda feel bad for Lambo, you can tell he was counting on winning g1 and 2.
Dreamcatcher is very hard vs terrans who know their business 50-50 map so should be ok if he has equal skill Ah yes the infamous 50-50* map that zergs happen to veto all the time. * statistics from Liquipedia pulling from unknown pool of tournaments maps are either even or OP for zerg, you should've learned that by now At one point the stats for Darkness Sanctuary heavily favoured terran because the stats were pulled from like 1 GSL game, a few ONPOONG games, and half a dozen games from some teamleague between diamond players. Dreamcatcher is 49.6/50.4 over more than 360 games The problem wasn't the sample size, the problem was that the sample was awful. Adding more games doesn't change that. Anyone would tell you that Dreamcatcher favours terran. I thought the general consensus about Dreamcatcher is that it isn't as terran favoured as it initially seemed. It is still ofc, a good man for terran. True enough. Calling it a 50-50 map is still pretty disingenuous.
How so? It's stating the facts actually
Stating that this map is utterly terran favored is disingenuous I'd say
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On October 29 2018 02:23 Weavel wrote:
Let's see if the miracle happens and Heromarine wins a map. Should be easy 2-0 for sOs.
Did you expect sOs to play so shitty vs Serral tho?
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On October 29 2018 02:23 Weavel wrote:
Let's see if the miracle happens and Heromarine wins a map. Should be easy 2-0 for sOs.
Did you see how sOs played vs serral tho ;D
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On October 29 2018 02:13 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 02:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 Ej_ wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
kinda feel bad for Lambo, you can tell he was counting on winning g1 and 2.
Dreamcatcher is very hard vs terrans who know their business 50-50 map so should be ok if he has equal skill Ah yes the infamous 50-50* map that zergs happen to veto all the time. * statistics from Liquipedia pulling from unknown pool of tournaments maps are either even or OP for zerg, you should've learned that by now At one point the stats for Darkness Sanctuary heavily favoured terran because the stats were pulled from like 1 GSL game, a few ONPOONG games, and half a dozen games from some teamleague between diamond players. Dreamcatcher is 49.6/50.4 over more than 360 games
Well, there are stats and then there are the numerous statements of pro who all agree (at least the zergs' one) that's one of the most difficult map for Z.
If you look at aligulac from February/march 2014, protoss does not look that successfull while the race accomplished numerous feat : 5 straight premier tournament win with different players and some pvp final (even Z while BL/infest did not achieve this) with a representation in gsl only exceeded by the terran area of gomtvt, I think that's at this time I stopped considered aligulac for balance issue, this is anice tool but not absolute truth.
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France12907 Posts
On October 29 2018 02:26 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 02:13 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 02:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 Ej_ wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
kinda feel bad for Lambo, you can tell he was counting on winning g1 and 2.
Dreamcatcher is very hard vs terrans who know their business 50-50 map so should be ok if he has equal skill Ah yes the infamous 50-50* map that zergs happen to veto all the time. * statistics from Liquipedia pulling from unknown pool of tournaments maps are either even or OP for zerg, you should've learned that by now At one point the stats for Darkness Sanctuary heavily favoured terran because the stats were pulled from like 1 GSL game, a few ONPOONG games, and half a dozen games from some teamleague between diamond players. Dreamcatcher is 49.6/50.4 over more than 360 games Well, there are stats and then there are the numerous statements of pro who all agree (at least the zerg) that's one of the most difficult map for Z. If you look at aligulac from February/march 2014, protoss does not look that successfull while the race accomplished numeros feat : 5 straight premier tournament win with different players and some pvp (even Z while BL/infest did not achieve this) with a representation in gsl only exceeded by the terran area of gomtvt, I think that's at this time I stopped considered aligulac for balance issue.
My point of view is that this map is a very bad map for zerg in a very good patch for zerg so statistically it's 50-50 but it feels horrible to play as zerg because things ain't going as smoothly as they do on most maps.
But factually it's a "50-50 map" statistically, that's all I'm saying
On another patch it could probably go 55 for terran
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On October 29 2018 02:23 Weavel wrote:
Let's see if the miracle happens and Heromarine wins a map. Should be easy 2-0 for sOs.
I'm concerned that sOs might not have as easy a time winning, based on his performance vs. Serral.
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On October 29 2018 02:24 Penev wrote:G A B E
so big, I like it!
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On October 29 2018 02:27 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 02:26 stilt wrote:On October 29 2018 02:13 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 02:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 Ej_ wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
kinda feel bad for Lambo, you can tell he was counting on winning g1 and 2.
Dreamcatcher is very hard vs terrans who know their business 50-50 map so should be ok if he has equal skill Ah yes the infamous 50-50* map that zergs happen to veto all the time. * statistics from Liquipedia pulling from unknown pool of tournaments maps are either even or OP for zerg, you should've learned that by now At one point the stats for Darkness Sanctuary heavily favoured terran because the stats were pulled from like 1 GSL game, a few ONPOONG games, and half a dozen games from some teamleague between diamond players. Dreamcatcher is 49.6/50.4 over more than 360 games Well, there are stats and then there are the numerous statements of pro who all agree (at least the zerg) that's one of the most difficult map for Z. If you look at aligulac from February/march 2014, protoss does not look that successfull while the race accomplished numeros feat : 5 straight premier tournament win with different players and some pvp (even Z while BL/infest did not achieve this) with a representation in gsl only exceeded by the terran area of gomtvt, I think that's at this time I stopped considered aligulac for balance issue. My point of view is that this map is a very bad map for zerg in a very good patch for zerg so statistically it's 50-50 but it feels horrible to play as zerg because things ain't going as smoothly as they do on most maps. But factually it's a "50-50 map" statistically, that's all I'm saying On another patch it could probably go 55 for terran
No offence, you put a TONE of work in compiling all those stats, so obviously you re defensive about it. That s cool.
If those overal stats that you pulled together would be representative for this tournament, we would have had 8-11 zergs qualifying. We have 5.
Zergs did well in a lot of series that didnt matter. That scews the stats, you cannot blindly rely on those.
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Canada8989 Posts
As much as he can be "creative", sOs is at his best when his standard macro play his good a lot more then when he just try to pull of strange build. His Blizzcon 2015 championship was won more as much on macro reactionary style as much as some cleaver build.
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On October 29 2018 02:09 dummy1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 02:08 sudete wrote:
the good news is that we might get to see serral 3-0 ty can you shut fck up with serral already?
Shocking news, serral is in ro8
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And that's why they're nerfing assimilators.
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France12907 Posts
On October 29 2018 02:31 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 02:27 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 02:26 stilt wrote:On October 29 2018 02:13 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 02:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 Ej_ wrote:On October 29 2018 02:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Poopi wrote:On October 29 2018 01:59 Geo.Rion wrote:
kinda feel bad for Lambo, you can tell he was counting on winning g1 and 2.
Dreamcatcher is very hard vs terrans who know their business 50-50 map so should be ok if he has equal skill Ah yes the infamous 50-50* map that zergs happen to veto all the time. * statistics from Liquipedia pulling from unknown pool of tournaments maps are either even or OP for zerg, you should've learned that by now At one point the stats for Darkness Sanctuary heavily favoured terran because the stats were pulled from like 1 GSL game, a few ONPOONG games, and half a dozen games from some teamleague between diamond players. Dreamcatcher is 49.6/50.4 over more than 360 games Well, there are stats and then there are the numerous statements of pro who all agree (at least the zerg) that's one of the most difficult map for Z. If you look at aligulac from February/march 2014, protoss does not look that successfull while the race accomplished numeros feat : 5 straight premier tournament win with different players and some pvp (even Z while BL/infest did not achieve this) with a representation in gsl only exceeded by the terran area of gomtvt, I think that's at this time I stopped considered aligulac for balance issue. My point of view is that this map is a very bad map for zerg in a very good patch for zerg so statistically it's 50-50 but it feels horrible to play as zerg because things ain't going as smoothly as they do on most maps. But factually it's a "50-50 map" statistically, that's all I'm saying On another patch it could probably go 55 for terran No offence, you put a TONE of work in compiling all those stats, so obviously you re defensive about it. That s cool. If those overal stats that you pulled together would be representative for this tournament, we would have had 8-11 zergs qualifying. We have 5. Zergs did well in a lot of series that didnt matter. That scews the stats, you cannot blindly rely on those.
That's not how it works for the 8-11 zergs thingy
You can say that about every map
And I don't rely on the stats, I'm just stating the fact: it's a 50-50 map as of now. Nothing more to seek, I'm not saying it's a good or bad map for zerg, nor am I saying you have 50-50 shot of winning if you have a TvZ on it with two people of the same skill (because that's not how it works)
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On October 29 2018 02:32 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 02:09 dummy1 wrote:On October 29 2018 02:08 sudete wrote:
the good news is that we might get to see serral 3-0 ty can you shut fck up with serral already? Shocking news, serral is in ro8
Don't torture the foreigner hater so much.
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Canada8989 Posts
Heromarine > MKP confirmed
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EPT
