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On October 29 2018 16:57 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 16:52 Acrofales wrote:
I just looked at the official rulebook, and it says absolutely nothing about how the brackets are created. It's really bad to leave that out of the rules, but simply assuming it was random draw rather than some form of seeding doesn't make sense either. Hell, as far as the official rules go, they could have had Maru go in and handcraft the brackets.
It's quite an oversight that those rules aren't clear. But with how non-existent the rules are, seeding the #1 players from each region on opposite sides and then randomizing the rest seems fair, and gave us very balanced brackets. Precisely, there s nothing unethical or rigged about it. Watched the drawing ceremony, and tried to look up past announcements, at no point was it specified it s random (minus those 2 rules), it s just what the TL livereport's thread came up with. All you can accuse them of is not being up front about the seeding process, then again they arent obligated to reveal it. I agree that transparency is desirable in all things, but this was not "changing the rules on the fly" as people here very quickly accused and convicted them for. Calling this one cheating/rigging is mental.
It was a random draw the last 2 years and without any announcement that says otherwise you'd expect them to use the same format this year given that the rest of the format is identical too.
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On October 29 2018 18:37 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 18:10 Fango wrote:On October 29 2018 17:05 Sakat wrote:
How interestig that people are complaining about what is essentially a GSL bracket.
Top half 1A plays 2B and 1C plays 2D.
Bottom half 2A plays 1D and 1B plays 2C
If they had only switched TY and Dark it would have been exactly like a GSL bracket. The difference is GSL have used the same format for years and everyone knows it. Blizz made up a rule seemingly on the spot to put Maru and Serral on opposite sides. InControl even joked about blizzard rigging it that way on the latest pylon show, so it clearly wasn't established properly beforehand. (I'm not complaining btw, this is probably good for blizzcon/sc2, but it does hurt the integrity of event a little.) Didnt you read what just has been posted? It was a predetermined rule, they told the players, but they failed to communicate it to the rest of us.
Given even the casters themselves didn't know about it until just before groups, I'm not sure I fully believe that. Rotti and the others were literally talking about how "there's a 50/50 chance Serral and Maru end up on opposite sides". Their math may be incorrect, but they were still assuming seeding was the same as last year. But I'll take their word for it if they claim players were aware.
It's still clear they came up with this rule specifically for the Maru vs Serral hype. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing either. But changing the format/seeding rules mid event is dodgy, and can be a slippery slope.
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Sad Neeb is out. Not cheering for him our anything but he is a good competitor that makes the tournament more interesting and fun to watch.
The scene needs players like him.
Here is hoping for a Maru vs Serral finals that Maru wins 4-3.
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I think a lot of the rage about "rigged bracket" is simply because people typically take it hard when someone hurts their suspension of disbelief. It's just such a bad move to do something like it in the false idea that it "improves the show" when it actually ruins it, because a crucial part of the show is the belief that it is completely "real".
I think it will be a great tournament regardless, but I also think it was a misguided move.
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Blizzard really dropped the ball with this bracket. It's perfectly reasonable to balance out the bracket by seeding accordingly to WCS points but Blizzard gives jack shit about a balanced bracket because they seeded Rouge and Stats complettly random, the only thing they were interested in was putting Serral and Maru on opposite sides.
Besides, why weren't they showing the draw of the second places? I assume there was a draw because the seedling looks really random to me.
I cannot understand how someone could make such stupid decisions unless the integrity of the tournament is completely unimportant to them.
This gives me the feeling of watching wrestling instead of a real competition.
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On October 29 2018 09:32 Brutaxilos wrote:
Blizzard isn't even trying to hide their foreigner bias anymore. After the whole WCS 2018 Trailer where they literally say "It's US vs THEM" to them rigging the seeding, this is a total shit show.
Foreigner Bias when Maru has to play sOs that Serral dismantled so hard it made lilbow vs life look like a close match ?
When Serral has to play Dark and Special Stats ?
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Since this is an "eSport"..its a matter of time that gambling for players becomes more of the thing. Fifa gets blamed for certain things too for certain matches or groupings they do. (Specifically world cup). I don't watch a lot of sports, so not sure how other events happen or turn out.
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On October 29 2018 17:48 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:56 deacon.frost wrote:On October 29 2018 09:45 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:38 deacon.frost wrote:On October 29 2018 09:29 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:27 deacon.frost wrote:On October 29 2018 09:25 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:18 Paljas wrote:On October 29 2018 09:17 Charoisaur wrote:
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you don't suddenly shift your rules for no logical reason other than people wanting it why not, lol. ever heard of something called competitive integrity? In every other sport rigging the bracket to make 2 favourites face later in the tournament would be a HUGE controversy. it's not much better than what Life did tbh. I suggest you look at every playoff bracket a traditional sport ever does and then try to tell me most sports don't purposely try to line things up so the favorites play each other in the end rather than at the beginning. Of course they do, but they fucking announce it at the start of the season. YOU KNOW how the play off will be played in advance. And not all leagues have play offs! So you can actually PLAN it. Can you imagine that FIFA/UEFA would add a random rule just before drawing Champions League? What Blizzard just did is pathetic from sport/fair play view. Announce these rules properly and in advance. Out of all the things that could "taint" the integrity of competition, this has to be one of the lowest on my list tbh. I really don't see how this is that big of a deal. It may open the Pandoras box though. Now we have Serral v Maru on opposite sites. Next year we can have that foreigners cannot play each other. Or some other subtle help for them. I don't mind the rule as it is, I mind how it was announced. I get it - they couldn't predict that Maru(or anyone else) would be dominating Korea this hard and at the same time he would be dodging Serral that much(something somthing 3:0 offline event), but the rule itself makes sense anyway, these players should be on the opposite sides of brackets all the time, not only if they win their groups. But this should have been in the rulebook from the start, not like this  The Slippery Slope is a fallacy for a reason. Until they do the things you mention, I'm not going to get upset about those things. I agree a clear system for seeding should be in place(in fact, I wish they would do it like DotA 2's TI. That system makes everything very clear and even has a loser's bracket which I think we'd all be okay with), but it's not that big of a deal to me. If they were changing stuff every round or every match, I would get really annoyed, but they added in a rule that practically every sport/competition with a playoffs uses. I'm really struggling to find reason to be upset beyond being slightly annoyed they didn't mention this sooner, but I don't see how this has any real impact on the integrity of the competition. And all this could have been avoided by adding the rule at the start of the season to the rulebook. The harm would be minimal, but no, drama is better. Says the guy who made this a drama...
I certainly did not.
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On October 30 2018 01:22 Philozovic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:32 Brutaxilos wrote:
Blizzard isn't even trying to hide their foreigner bias anymore. After the whole WCS 2018 Trailer where they literally say "It's US vs THEM" to them rigging the seeding, this is a total shit show. Foreigner Bias when Maru has to play sOs that Serral dismantled so hard it made lilbow vs life look like a close match ? When Serral has to play Dark and Special Stats ?
Blizz has foreigner bias for sure. WCS is proof of that.
But foreigner bias in the bracket formation? Of that Blizzard is innocent. The argument can be made they are forcing a Maru Serral finals but the #1 seed rewards argument can be made.
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Are people seriously bitching about Blizz putting Serral and Maru on the opposite sides of bracket?
:sigh:
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On October 30 2018 02:11 dukethegold wrote:
Any recommended games?
Special vs Classic game 1 was the best game of the group stages
Has vs Dark game 2 >_>
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On October 30 2018 02:32 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Special vs Classic game 1 was the best game of the group stages Has vs Dark game 2 >_>
Special classic game 2 was almost as good as game 1
The whole serie is a must see
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juanito is pretty good at multitasking and macro, but his micro suffers a lot, it feels like his army control is permanently on a 300 ms delay and that's how Classic almost beat him with storms despite being down 60+ supply, guess you can't have it all if you aren't Maru.
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On October 29 2018 09:32 Brutaxilos wrote:
Blizzard isn't even trying to hide their foreigner bias anymore. After the whole WCS 2018 Trailer where they literally say "It's US vs THEM" to them rigging the seeding, this is a total shit show.
I did find the "Us vs Them" thing to be a bit off-putting.
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On October 30 2018 06:28 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:32 Brutaxilos wrote:
Blizzard isn't even trying to hide their foreigner bias anymore. After the whole WCS 2018 Trailer where they literally say "It's US vs THEM" to them rigging the seeding, this is a total shit show. I did find the "Us vs Them" thing to be a bit off-putting.
Same here. It felt a bit uncalled for and divisive. Honestly, the entire video just wasn't very good imo. The voice especially made it hard for me to take it seriously. I just kept hearing optimus prime with every word
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On October 28 2018 21:19 Pandemona wrote:Poll: Who Advances Group ATY (28) 50% Neeb (26) 46% Lambo (2) 4% 56 total votes Your vote: Who Advances Group A (Vote): Lambo
(Vote): TY
(Vote): Neeb
Poll: Who Advances Group BsOs (27) 53% Zest (18) 35% HeRoMaRinE (6) 12% 51 total votes Your vote: Who Advances Group B (Vote): HeRoMaRinE
(Vote): sOs
(Vote): Zest
Poll: Who Advances Group CDark (25) 49% ShoWTimE (22) 43% Has (4) 8% 51 total votes Your vote: Who Advances Group C (Vote): Dark
(Vote): Has
(Vote): ShoWTimE
Poll: Who Advances Group DClassic (35) 64% SpeCial (16) 29% Nerchio (4) 7% 55 total votes Your vote: Who Advances Group D (Vote): SpeCial
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): Classic
Finally the interesting day is here!
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