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On October 29 2018 16:02 Argonauta wrote:
Ey Blizz if Serral loses to Dark in the playoffs. Can we make a rule to allow a rematch? I don't know, something around the fact that Serral has earned several seeds this year so he got extra lives...
That would be BANANAS for the viewership
I kind of like this idea... in the end it's about having a fun tournament, right? Plus, more viewers is better for the scene.
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After SpeCial's series against Classic I think he's got a real chance vs. Stats. I doubt he could beat Maru but I'd sure as hell like to see him try.
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On October 29 2018 16:20 Node wrote:
After SpeCial's series against Classic I think he's got a real chance vs. Stats. I doubt he could beat Maru but I'd sure as hell like to see him try.
Honestly I'm glad at least one terran showed that they can go toe to toe with protoss in mid-lategame instead of the Maru/TY school of thought of "it s imbalanced, you cant help it, cheee every game, and if it doesnt work, defend until you can go allin from two base with pulling the workers"
So much more entertaining to watch how Special playes.
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On October 29 2018 16:02 Argonauta wrote:
Ey Blizz if Serral loses to Dark in the playoffs. Can we make a rule to allow a rematch? I don't know, something around the fact that Serral has earned several seeds this year so he got extra lives...
That would be BANANAS for the viewership
Excellent post
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I just looked at the official rulebook, and it says absolutely nothing about how the brackets are created. It's really bad to leave that out of the rules, but simply assuming it was random draw rather than some form of seeding doesn't make sense either. Hell, as far as the official rules go, they could have had Maru go in and handcraft the brackets.
It's quite an oversight that those rules aren't clear. But with how non-existent the rules are, seeding the #1 players from each region on opposite sides and then randomizing the rest seems fair, and gave us very balanced brackets.
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On October 29 2018 16:52 Acrofales wrote:
I just looked at the official rulebook, and it says absolutely nothing about how the brackets are created. It's really bad to leave that out of the rules, but simply assuming it was random draw rather than some form of seeding doesn't make sense either. Hell, as far as the official rules go, they could have had Maru go in and handcraft the brackets.
It's quite an oversight that those rules aren't clear. But with how non-existent the rules are, seeding the #1 players from each region on opposite sides and then randomizing the rest seems fair, and gave us very balanced brackets.
Precisely, there s nothing unethical or rigged about it. Watched the drawing ceremony, and tried to look up past announcements, at no point was it specified it s random (minus those 2 rules), it s just what the TL livereport's thread came up with.
All you can accuse them of is not being up front about the seeding process, then again they arent obligated to reveal it. I agree that transparency is desirable in all things, but this was not "changing the rules on the fly" as people here very quickly accused and convicted them for.
Calling this one cheating/rigging is mental.
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How interestig that people are complaining about what is essentially a GSL bracket.
Top half 1A plays 2B and 1C plays 2D.
Bottom half 2A plays 1D and 1B plays 2C
If they had only switched TY and Dark it would have been exactly like a GSL bracket.
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On October 29 2018 16:57 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 16:52 Acrofales wrote:
I just looked at the official rulebook, and it says absolutely nothing about how the brackets are created. It's really bad to leave that out of the rules, but simply assuming it was random draw rather than some form of seeding doesn't make sense either. Hell, as far as the official rules go, they could have had Maru go in and handcraft the brackets.
It's quite an oversight that those rules aren't clear. But with how non-existent the rules are, seeding the #1 players from each region on opposite sides and then randomizing the rest seems fair, and gave us very balanced brackets. Precisely, there s nothing unethical or rigged about it. Watched the drawing ceremony, and tried to look up past announcements, at no point was it specified it s random (minus those 2 rules), it s just what the TL livereport's thread came up with. All you can accuse them of is not being up front about the seeding process, then again they arent obligated to reveal it. I agree that transparency is desirable in all things, but this was not "changing the rules on the fly" as people here very quickly accused and convicted them for. Calling this one cheating/rigging is mental.
I think it was Kaelaris or Artosis who said day 1 that its 50/50 chance for Maru and Serral to meet in semis.
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On October 29 2018 17:07 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 16:57 Geo.Rion wrote:On October 29 2018 16:52 Acrofales wrote:
I just looked at the official rulebook, and it says absolutely nothing about how the brackets are created. It's really bad to leave that out of the rules, but simply assuming it was random draw rather than some form of seeding doesn't make sense either. Hell, as far as the official rules go, they could have had Maru go in and handcraft the brackets.
It's quite an oversight that those rules aren't clear. But with how non-existent the rules are, seeding the #1 players from each region on opposite sides and then randomizing the rest seems fair, and gave us very balanced brackets. Precisely, there s nothing unethical or rigged about it. Watched the drawing ceremony, and tried to look up past announcements, at no point was it specified it s random (minus those 2 rules), it s just what the TL livereport's thread came up with. All you can accuse them of is not being up front about the seeding process, then again they arent obligated to reveal it. I agree that transparency is desirable in all things, but this was not "changing the rules on the fly" as people here very quickly accused and convicted them for. Calling this one cheating/rigging is mental. I think it was Kaelaris or Artosis who said day 1 that its 50/50 chance for Maru and Serral to meet in semis.
That s clearly wrong, even if the rules were as if we thought they were, it would ahve been 2/3 chance Maru and Serral starting on opposite ends.
Then you have the Blizzard official statement a couple of posts higher, that seals it.
Lack of communication/transparency, but it was the rule all along.
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On October 29 2018 16:28 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 16:20 Node wrote:
After SpeCial's series against Classic I think he's got a real chance vs. Stats. I doubt he could beat Maru but I'd sure as hell like to see him try. Honestly I'm glad at least one terran showed that they can go toe to toe with protoss in mid-lategame instead of the Maru/TY school of thought of "it s imbalanced, you cant help it, cheee every game, and if it doesnt work, defend until you can go allin from two base with pulling the workers"So much more entertaining to watch how Special playes.
I wholeheartedly agree. Damn, what a series bu SpeCial ! And props to Classic as well for making it so so close, it was awesome. 10000000x better than proxies all day, every day.
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On October 29 2018 17:14 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 17:07 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 29 2018 16:57 Geo.Rion wrote:On October 29 2018 16:52 Acrofales wrote:
I just looked at the official rulebook, and it says absolutely nothing about how the brackets are created. It's really bad to leave that out of the rules, but simply assuming it was random draw rather than some form of seeding doesn't make sense either. Hell, as far as the official rules go, they could have had Maru go in and handcraft the brackets.
It's quite an oversight that those rules aren't clear. But with how non-existent the rules are, seeding the #1 players from each region on opposite sides and then randomizing the rest seems fair, and gave us very balanced brackets. Precisely, there s nothing unethical or rigged about it. Watched the drawing ceremony, and tried to look up past announcements, at no point was it specified it s random (minus those 2 rules), it s just what the TL livereport's thread came up with. All you can accuse them of is not being up front about the seeding process, then again they arent obligated to reveal it. I agree that transparency is desirable in all things, but this was not "changing the rules on the fly" as people here very quickly accused and convicted them for. Calling this one cheating/rigging is mental. I think it was Kaelaris or Artosis who said day 1 that its 50/50 chance for Maru and Serral to meet in semis. That s clearly wrong, even if the rules were as if we thought they were, it would ahve been 2/3 chance Maru and Serral starting on opposite ends. Then you have the Blizzard official statement a couple of posts higher, that seals it. Lack of communication/transparency, but it was the rule all along.
I think it was quite clear from the start that the casters were all clueless about the process. If the rules were indeed given to the players before the tournament, how could the casters not know? Did they just not read Blizzard's documents? Or were they not given to the casters? Either way, it's dumb.
Someone pm nerchio and ask him to send the rulebook? :D
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On October 29 2018 17:24 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 17:14 Geo.Rion wrote:On October 29 2018 17:07 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 29 2018 16:57 Geo.Rion wrote:On October 29 2018 16:52 Acrofales wrote:
I just looked at the official rulebook, and it says absolutely nothing about how the brackets are created. It's really bad to leave that out of the rules, but simply assuming it was random draw rather than some form of seeding doesn't make sense either. Hell, as far as the official rules go, they could have had Maru go in and handcraft the brackets.
It's quite an oversight that those rules aren't clear. But with how non-existent the rules are, seeding the #1 players from each region on opposite sides and then randomizing the rest seems fair, and gave us very balanced brackets. Precisely, there s nothing unethical or rigged about it. Watched the drawing ceremony, and tried to look up past announcements, at no point was it specified it s random (minus those 2 rules), it s just what the TL livereport's thread came up with. All you can accuse them of is not being up front about the seeding process, then again they arent obligated to reveal it. I agree that transparency is desirable in all things, but this was not "changing the rules on the fly" as people here very quickly accused and convicted them for. Calling this one cheating/rigging is mental. I think it was Kaelaris or Artosis who said day 1 that its 50/50 chance for Maru and Serral to meet in semis. That s clearly wrong, even if the rules were as if we thought they were, it would ahve been 2/3 chance Maru and Serral starting on opposite ends. Then you have the Blizzard official statement a couple of posts higher, that seals it. Lack of communication/transparency, but it was the rule all along. I think it was quite clear from the start that the casters were all clueless about the process. If the rules were indeed given to the players before the tournament, how could the casters not know? Did they just not read Blizzard's documents? Or were they not given to the casters?
Both scenarios seem plausible. It s oversight either by them or by Blizz.
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who cares if the brackets are rigged? so long as they're rigged to create the dream match-ups and dramatic storylines. I want to be entertained god damnit
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On October 29 2018 09:56 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:45 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:38 deacon.frost wrote:On October 29 2018 09:29 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:27 deacon.frost wrote:On October 29 2018 09:25 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:18 Paljas wrote:On October 29 2018 09:17 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:15 JoeCool wrote:
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Yeah I mean, that's what everyone wanted anyways. So it's fine. you don't suddenly shift your rules for no logical reason other than people wanting it why not, lol. ever heard of something called competitive integrity? In every other sport rigging the bracket to make 2 favourites face later in the tournament would be a HUGE controversy. it's not much better than what Life did tbh. I suggest you look at every playoff bracket a traditional sport ever does and then try to tell me most sports don't purposely try to line things up so the favorites play each other in the end rather than at the beginning. Of course they do, but they fucking announce it at the start of the season. YOU KNOW how the play off will be played in advance. And not all leagues have play offs! So you can actually PLAN it. Can you imagine that FIFA/UEFA would add a random rule just before drawing Champions League? What Blizzard just did is pathetic from sport/fair play view. Announce these rules properly and in advance. Out of all the things that could "taint" the integrity of competition, this has to be one of the lowest on my list tbh. I really don't see how this is that big of a deal. It may open the Pandoras box though. Now we have Serral v Maru on opposite sites. Next year we can have that foreigners cannot play each other. Or some other subtle help for them. I don't mind the rule as it is, I mind how it was announced. I get it - they couldn't predict that Maru(or anyone else) would be dominating Korea this hard and at the same time he would be dodging Serral that much(something somthing 3:0 offline event), but the rule itself makes sense anyway, these players should be on the opposite sides of brackets all the time, not only if they win their groups. But this should have been in the rulebook from the start, not like this  The Slippery Slope is a fallacy for a reason. Until they do the things you mention, I'm not going to get upset about those things. I agree a clear system for seeding should be in place(in fact, I wish they would do it like DotA 2's TI. That system makes everything very clear and even has a loser's bracket which I think we'd all be okay with), but it's not that big of a deal to me. If they were changing stuff every round or every match, I would get really annoyed, but they added in a rule that practically every sport/competition with a playoffs uses. I'm really struggling to find reason to be upset beyond being slightly annoyed they didn't mention this sooner, but I don't see how this has any real impact on the integrity of the competition. And all this could have been avoided by adding the rule at the start of the season to the rulebook. The harm would be minimal, but no, drama is better.
Says the guy who made this a drama...
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Man people sure *like* to complain about something 
Amazing games, I was not expecting all the discussion about the brackets, but I guess complaining is the national sport for us
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On October 29 2018 17:05 Sakat wrote:
How interestig that people are complaining about what is essentially a GSL bracket.
Top half 1A plays 2B and 1C plays 2D.
Bottom half 2A plays 1D and 1B plays 2C
If they had only switched TY and Dark it would have been exactly like a GSL bracket.
The difference is GSL have used the same format for years and everyone knows it.
Blizz made up a rule seemingly on the spot to put Maru and Serral on opposite sides. InControl even joked about blizzard rigging it that way on the latest pylon show, so it clearly wasn't established properly beforehand.
(I'm not complaining btw, this is probably good for blizzcon/sc2, but it does hurt the integrity of event a little.)
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On October 29 2018 18:10 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 17:05 Sakat wrote:
How interestig that people are complaining about what is essentially a GSL bracket.
Top half 1A plays 2B and 1C plays 2D.
Bottom half 2A plays 1D and 1B plays 2C
If they had only switched TY and Dark it would have been exactly like a GSL bracket. The difference is GSL have used the same format for years and everyone knows it. Blizz made up a rule seemingly on the spot to put Maru and Serral on opposite sides. InControl even joked about blizzard rigging it that way on the latest pylon show, so it clearly wasn't established properly beforehand. (I'm not complaining btw, this is probably good for blizzcon/sc2, but it does hurt the integrity of event a little.)
Didnt you read what just has been posted? It was a predetermined rule, they told the players, but they failed to communicate it to the rest of us.
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Who gives a crap?
At least we can get Maru shitting on Serral in the finals if they both manage to qualify 
If GSL side event shows up, sOs or Stats are gonna ruin it and beat Maru easily
Code S Maru should go to the finals
IEM Maru should barely beat sOs and Stats before losing to Rogue
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special took a map off Rogue and 2-0ed Classic. How fucking insanely good is that?!
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