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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 29 2018 09:45 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:38 deacon.frost wrote:On October 29 2018 09:29 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:27 deacon.frost wrote:On October 29 2018 09:25 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:18 Paljas wrote:On October 29 2018 09:17 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:15 JoeCool wrote:On October 29 2018 09:14 Paljas wrote:
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apparently maru and serral are on opposite of the bracket cause they rank 1st in wcs rankings. which makes no sense whatsoever, but i wont complain Yeah I mean, that's what everyone wanted anyways. So it's fine. you don't suddenly shift your rules for no logical reason other than people wanting it why not, lol. ever heard of something called competitive integrity? In every other sport rigging the bracket to make 2 favourites face later in the tournament would be a HUGE controversy. it's not much better than what Life did tbh. I suggest you look at every playoff bracket a traditional sport ever does and then try to tell me most sports don't purposely try to line things up so the favorites play each other in the end rather than at the beginning. Of course they do, but they fucking announce it at the start of the season. YOU KNOW how the play off will be played in advance. And not all leagues have play offs! So you can actually PLAN it. Can you imagine that FIFA/UEFA would add a random rule just before drawing Champions League? What Blizzard just did is pathetic from sport/fair play view. Announce these rules properly and in advance. Out of all the things that could "taint" the integrity of competition, this has to be one of the lowest on my list tbh. I really don't see how this is that big of a deal. It may open the Pandoras box though. Now we have Serral v Maru on opposite sites. Next year we can have that foreigners cannot play each other. Or some other subtle help for them. I don't mind the rule as it is, I mind how it was announced. I get it - they couldn't predict that Maru(or anyone else) would be dominating Korea this hard and at the same time he would be dodging Serral that much(something somthing 3:0 offline event), but the rule itself makes sense anyway, these players should be on the opposite sides of brackets all the time, not only if they win their groups. But this should have been in the rulebook from the start, not like this  The Slippery Slope is a fallacy for a reason. Until they do the things you mention, I'm not going to get upset about those things. I agree a clear system for seeding should be in place(in fact, I wish they would do it like DotA 2's TI. That system makes everything very clear and even has a loser's bracket which I think we'd all be okay with), but it's not that big of a deal to me. If they were changing stuff every round or every match, I would get really annoyed, but they added in a rule that practically every sport/competition with a playoffs uses. I'm really struggling to find reason to be upset beyond being slightly annoyed they didn't mention this sooner, but I don't see how this has any real impact on the integrity of the competition.
And all this could have been avoided by adding the rule at the start of the season to the rulebook. The harm would be minimal, but no, drama is better.
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On October 29 2018 09:51 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:51 Anc13nt wrote:On October 29 2018 09:50 Kommander wrote:
I must be missing something here. Why are people complaining about the bracket being rigged? Maru and Serral have perhaps the toughest roads before they can possibly meet in the finals. Every round for them is potentially dangerous. I think there was some rule about how the top seeds had to be on opposite side of the bracket or something like that. And why is that a problem? That's how it should be. Even in traditional sports, that's how it is.
it wasn't a rule. They just added it last second before the drawing to capitalize on the Maru and Serral hype.
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The brackets are always rigged but I think this is the first time they've been open about it. Like it's not a last second rule change if you know exactly which players are affected.
I'd prefer fixed brackets like in GSL over "random" ones.
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Damn, with maru having time to prepare, this is going to be really hard for sOs
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My inner Finland man is telling me to prepare for disappointment. I hope he is wrong
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On October 29 2018 10:12 Luolis wrote:
My inner Finland man is telling me to prepare for disappointment. I hope he is wrong Serral should have eliminated that feeling. I felt that way back in WCS Valencia but during Montreal I started to believe. Serral got this.
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On October 29 2018 09:56 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 09:45 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:38 deacon.frost wrote:On October 29 2018 09:29 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:27 deacon.frost wrote:On October 29 2018 09:25 StasisField wrote:On October 29 2018 09:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:18 Paljas wrote:On October 29 2018 09:17 Charoisaur wrote:On October 29 2018 09:15 JoeCool wrote:
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Yeah I mean, that's what everyone wanted anyways. So it's fine. you don't suddenly shift your rules for no logical reason other than people wanting it why not, lol. ever heard of something called competitive integrity? In every other sport rigging the bracket to make 2 favourites face later in the tournament would be a HUGE controversy. it's not much better than what Life did tbh. I suggest you look at every playoff bracket a traditional sport ever does and then try to tell me most sports don't purposely try to line things up so the favorites play each other in the end rather than at the beginning. Of course they do, but they fucking announce it at the start of the season. YOU KNOW how the play off will be played in advance. And not all leagues have play offs! So you can actually PLAN it. Can you imagine that FIFA/UEFA would add a random rule just before drawing Champions League? What Blizzard just did is pathetic from sport/fair play view. Announce these rules properly and in advance. Out of all the things that could "taint" the integrity of competition, this has to be one of the lowest on my list tbh. I really don't see how this is that big of a deal. It may open the Pandoras box though. Now we have Serral v Maru on opposite sites. Next year we can have that foreigners cannot play each other. Or some other subtle help for them. I don't mind the rule as it is, I mind how it was announced. I get it - they couldn't predict that Maru(or anyone else) would be dominating Korea this hard and at the same time he would be dodging Serral that much(something somthing 3:0 offline event), but the rule itself makes sense anyway, these players should be on the opposite sides of brackets all the time, not only if they win their groups. But this should have been in the rulebook from the start, not like this The Slippery Slope is a fallacy for a reason. Until they do the things you mention, I'm not going to get upset about those things. I agree a clear system for seeding should be in place(in fact, I wish they would do it like DotA 2's TI. That system makes everything very clear and even has a loser's bracket which I think we'd all be okay with), but it's not that big of a deal to me. If they were changing stuff every round or every match, I would get really annoyed, but they added in a rule that practically every sport/competition with a playoffs uses. I'm really struggling to find reason to be upset beyond being slightly annoyed they didn't mention this sooner, but I don't see how this has any real impact on the integrity of the competition. And all this could have been avoided by adding the rule at the start of the season to the rulebook. The harm would be minimal, but no, drama is better.
And I agree with that. Still doesn't make this a big deal worth being upset over
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Looking like the Maru vs Serral Finals everyone wanted is in the cards.
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"I'm convinced they'll put Special and Serral against each other so a foreigner is guaranteed ro4, that is BS"
*after bracket has been set*
..."I'm upset they rigged the tournament in X way that isn't the way I cynically predicted"
Jesus, people.
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On October 29 2018 12:30 mierin wrote:
"I'm convinced they'll put Special and Serral against each other so a foreigner is guaranteed ro4, that is BS"
*after bracket has been set*
..."I'm upset they rigged the tournament in X way that isn't the way I cynically predicted"
Jesus, people.
I understand your feeling that it just seems like people will find any way to complain no matter what. Nonetheless, I think the sentiment for most is that they found it sketchy how it kind of looked like the tournament organizers made an ad hoc rule in order to increase the chances of Maru vs Serral finals. I don't personally have a big problem with this but I can see why people would want more transparency.
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On October 29 2018 13:31 Anc13nt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 12:30 mierin wrote:
"I'm convinced they'll put Special and Serral against each other so a foreigner is guaranteed ro4, that is BS"
*after bracket has been set*
..."I'm upset they rigged the tournament in X way that isn't the way I cynically predicted"
Jesus, people. I understand your feeling that it just seems like people will find any way to complain no matter what. Nonetheless, I think the sentiment for most is that they found it sketchy how it kind of looked like the tournament organizers made an ad hoc rule in order to increase the chances of Maru vs Serral finals. I don't personally have a big problem with this but I can see why people would want more transparency.
Honestly I agree with you. It's just the hypocrisy of wanting to feel the tournament was rigged one way, then it was rigged the other way that bothers me. I don't have a problem with it either, but what level of "transparency" would be acceptable?
Also, just personally I don't feel that putting the #1 WCS and #1 KR players on different sides of the bracket is bad at all. If that were a rule going forward I'd totally be behind that.
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On October 29 2018 13:55 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 13:31 Anc13nt wrote:On October 29 2018 12:30 mierin wrote:
"I'm convinced they'll put Special and Serral against each other so a foreigner is guaranteed ro4, that is BS"
*after bracket has been set*
..."I'm upset they rigged the tournament in X way that isn't the way I cynically predicted"
Jesus, people. I understand your feeling that it just seems like people will find any way to complain no matter what. Nonetheless, I think the sentiment for most is that they found it sketchy how it kind of looked like the tournament organizers made an ad hoc rule in order to increase the chances of Maru vs Serral finals. I don't personally have a big problem with this but I can see why people would want more transparency. Honestly I agree with you. It's just the hypocrisy of wanting to feel the tournament was rigged one way, then it was rigged the other way that bothers me. I don't have a problem with it either, but what level of "transparency" would be acceptable? Also, just personally I don't feel that putting the #1 WCS and #1 KR players on different sides of the bracket is bad at all. If that were a rule going forward I'd totally be behind that.
Yeah, but it wasn't a rule, and they clearly just came up with that due to Serral and Maru dominating their respective regions.
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lol who cares if theyre on opposite sides of the bracket that's irrelevant and unimportant
the only thing that sucks is sos and maru facing each other so soon, man i want both of them to go far
super happy for special!!!!!
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Unfair rigging would have been to put the two foreigner together so at least one go to the semi. But here they make sure that the 2 undisputed champs of each federation, with 14K of WCS points awesomeness, can't meet before the final. You call it rigging, i call it ''bon sens''
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I'm not a big fan of the change. Personally, I want the debate of "who's better" between Maru and Serral to have a definitive head-to-head answer, and putting them on opposite sides of the bracket makes them much less likely to meet.
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On October 29 2018 14:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 13:55 mierin wrote:On October 29 2018 13:31 Anc13nt wrote:On October 29 2018 12:30 mierin wrote:
"I'm convinced they'll put Special and Serral against each other so a foreigner is guaranteed ro4, that is BS"
*after bracket has been set*
..."I'm upset they rigged the tournament in X way that isn't the way I cynically predicted"
Jesus, people. I understand your feeling that it just seems like people will find any way to complain no matter what. Nonetheless, I think the sentiment for most is that they found it sketchy how it kind of looked like the tournament organizers made an ad hoc rule in order to increase the chances of Maru vs Serral finals. I don't personally have a big problem with this but I can see why people would want more transparency. Honestly I agree with you. It's just the hypocrisy of wanting to feel the tournament was rigged one way, then it was rigged the other way that bothers me. I don't have a problem with it either, but what level of "transparency" would be acceptable? Also, just personally I don't feel that putting the #1 WCS and #1 KR players on different sides of the bracket is bad at all. If that were a rule going forward I'd totally be behind that. Yeah, but it wasn't a rule, and they clearly just came up with that due to Serral and Maru dominating their respective regions.
I totally get why that would be objected to. It's not an objection I get behind, though. I imagine it's about 50/50 of people objecting vs. not objecting.
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Australia18228 Posts
From what I understand, the only part that was random was which side Stats/Rogue was going and everything else was seeding.
Kind of pointless having a live draw
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They made up a rule last minute to make sure Maru and Serral are on opposite sites?
Awesome!
Btw, nobody predicted this outcome, so my sig will be up for grabs once again next weekend!
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Ey Blizz if Serral loses to Dark in the playoffs. Can we make a rule to allow a rematch? I don't know, something around the fact that Serral has earned several seeds this year so he got extra lives...
That would be BANANAS for the viewership
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On October 29 2018 14:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 13:55 mierin wrote:On October 29 2018 13:31 Anc13nt wrote:On October 29 2018 12:30 mierin wrote:
"I'm convinced they'll put Special and Serral against each other so a foreigner is guaranteed ro4, that is BS"
*after bracket has been set*
..."I'm upset they rigged the tournament in X way that isn't the way I cynically predicted"
Jesus, people. I understand your feeling that it just seems like people will find any way to complain no matter what. Nonetheless, I think the sentiment for most is that they found it sketchy how it kind of looked like the tournament organizers made an ad hoc rule in order to increase the chances of Maru vs Serral finals. I don't personally have a big problem with this but I can see why people would want more transparency. Honestly I agree with you. It's just the hypocrisy of wanting to feel the tournament was rigged one way, then it was rigged the other way that bothers me. I don't have a problem with it either, but what level of "transparency" would be acceptable? Also, just personally I don't feel that putting the #1 WCS and #1 KR players on different sides of the bracket is bad at all. If that were a rule going forward I'd totally be behind that. Yeah, but it wasn't a rule, and they clearly just came up with that due to Serral and Maru dominating their respective regions.
Havent seen the drawing ceremony or the initial announcements for the format, but did the Blizz officials at any point claim that they are gonna make a random draw of 1st vs 2nd, with excluding the possibility of getting A1 v A2 etc...?
Or is this what the community put together based on the available info?
If it is the first, meaning they explicitly announced it is gonna be random then added the rule, that s shady and unethical.
If they just kinda bided their time, then announced at the end they re gonna do it this way, then, yeah, i dont see any problems with it, they re not changing the rules, they re just revealing it.
Anyways, gonna watch the video if it is available
Im personally happy with the bracket, should be some good games, no mirrors aside from Serral vs Dark and i m really hyped for that, so all things considered, i m okay with the outcome.
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